| Catholic vs. Protestant
Posted: 3/13/2009 11:50:06 PM | If I were a Catholic Priest, I would tell my congregation that they had better not go out from my church and kill another human being, as this is not the way Jesus Christ has taught us. The Commandment is "Thou shalt not kill." Please nore the lack of "except when". The Lord said "whatsoever you do unto others, you do unto Me".
If I were a Protestant Minister, I would tell them the same thing.
In a country where Christianity is so predominant, it amazes me at how many people kill each other. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2009 2:59:32 AM | Matthew 10:34 - "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"
yeah jc was a real peaceful dude  | |
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Posted: 3/14/2009 4:43:45 AM | Do you know haw many children in orphanages in Ireland have been raped by catholic priests? Ever wonder why people in Ireland dont go to church so much any more? How many moors, arabs, women, etc have being executed on orders from the pope over last few hundred years? Millions probably. If you want to live your life by the bible (which was heavily edited by Constantine, a Roman Ceasar, remember the lot that killed JC?) you do so but I choose to walk my own path. The laws of nature will always over rule the laws of man and by that logic "Thou shalt not kill." is null and void if anyone ever tries to kill me. Survival of the fittest. Turn the other cheek is an ideal adapted by losers, winners avoid been hit in the first place. When you say
In a country where Christianity is so predominant, it amazes me at how many people kill each other. do you mean America or Ireland? Its unclear from that post. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2009 5:25:18 AM | He probably thinks all Irish people are still murdering each other up north from there little village homes , bloody Americans  Go stealth bomb some 3rd world country and shove your religious crap up your arse please. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2009 6:55:58 AM | Any sane person shouldn't kill anyone for some intangible object such as a devine power. Thats just bullshit.
And why single out Catholics and Protestants??? What about all world religions?? There is alot worse shit goin on in the world other than what happened in the past in Northern Ireland.
IMO if you need to kill someone make sure it's for the right reason. i.e. self-defence, protecting loved ones, blah blah blah | |
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Posted: 3/14/2009 8:14:50 AM | Firstly ..........the thread title is very misleading, and especially considering the current affairs here in IRELAND I think the OP should have been picked a differnt title heading.
Secondly........ id like to repeat myself again (as taken from another thread)
I dont belive in god,I dont belive in god,I dont belive in god,I dont belive in god,I dont belive in god,I dont belive in god,I dont belive in god,I dont belive in god, na na na na na.........
Thirdly.........I have my mouth wide open OP so feel free to shove you bible down it.
And DeiseDub......Im with you on the self defence and protecting loved ones point. Luckly Ive never been in a suitation like that, and I hope I never will be but I would like to think that if needs be I would do anything within my human strenght to protect myself and my loved ones..........its an animal instinct afterall. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2009 8:45:48 AM | If you were a Catholic priest or a Protestant minister the best way to avoid more division in the human race would be to give up being a priest or a minister. In Northern Ireland the Vatican and the Protestant churches are still preventing children from being educated together. The seeds of future division are still being sown.
The same god thing that's supposed to have said "thou shalt not kill" was a mass murderer killing approximately 3 million just in his Bronze age book.
Americans shoot dead more Americans in a year than were killed in 30 years of the Troubles(sic) so I think the last place we need advice from is America. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2009 5:00:03 PM | If I were a Catholic priest, I'd die of shock and if I were a Protestant minister, I might believe that I've gone crazier overnight and developed yet another personality to add to my other multiple ones.
To the OP...in the Republic of Ireland it seems that the priesthood or the ministry aren't much revered round these parts...I seriously doubt telling your congregation of about 2 - 4 people at mass or church is going to really affect the masses that don't bother with religion much.
And Malasam is correct about the inappropriateness of this thread's title...and maybe the OP's intentions were pure of heart when he posted his OP or maybe he is stuck in some kind of time warp as cartoonloon suggested and he is trying to stir it up a little on the forums by pitting proddies against the tighes and vice versa. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2009 5:25:18 PM | Firstly the conflict is in Northern Ireland ;not the whole Island.Northern Ireland is part of the UK and the republic is a separate state.Many have aspirations of joining the two, but at the moment the situation, is they are separate states.Although being joined, the situation has affected us,especially making guns and crime more prevalent.Violence serves only one master, death.
The situation up North is about power and control and who has it, not religion.The protestants were in power and abused that power to subjugate their Catholic neighbors.The Catholic minority struck back , by terrorist tactics.Like all original good causes, it goes belly up when violence is introduced.These people had no rights and had reason to protest.
Christianity abhors violence yet All Christian countries go to war.Women are repressed in all religions and were in Christianity.History is not kind to any faith, as men forget Gods rules and implement their own for power or gain.Humans are a selfish species, mostly out for personal gain and will use religion or anything else to gain power.
America s one of the most violent/rapacious countries in the world, look closer to home my friend.
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Posted: 3/14/2009 6:05:37 PM | Nice post Diablera...of course the conflict that was in the North of Ireland was a power struggle and thank goodness they are striving to overcome that and fight for peace now for their children. Sectarianism in any form, where ever is ugly and wrong and religion is no excuse for killing your friends and neighbours but it's absolutely true to say that Catholics sufferred greatly in the North and it's easy as an Irish National given our history with England to resent it all.
I deliberately chose to avoid indoctrinating my children in the faith I was brought up in on the basis that I despise sectarianism having witnessed it first hand in my own country and through history lessons in school and via the first hand accounts of my own kith and kin.
But as thedamded said...it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that most Irish adults have no faith in the Catholic religion anymore...and I think someone pointed out that the various religions are trying desperately to retain their emotive stranglehold on Irish society by refusing to emalgamate with other religious teachings re the schooling of our children..yet again, it's all about the power struggle.
I'm disgusted with how immigrants to my country are encouraged to change religion just so their children can be accepted into the local primary school but fair play for a time when the money was flowing the government were giving grants to non-demoninational primary schools to set themselves up due to this particular absurdity but if Batty O'Keefe gets his way we'll be back in the dark ages soon enough ..yet again! | |
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Posted: 3/15/2009 5:21:18 PM | Well Catholic or Protestant i think we can all agree grundys new pic is full of win ! ow how cheery and upbeat it looks  | |
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Posted: 3/15/2009 5:57:44 PM | ^^^^ There'll be none of that hedonistic pagan type talk on this highly religious thread..you heathen you !!!
I suppose sexual attraction is a good equaliser though...or maybe not if you think about the story of Helen of Troy and Romeo and Juliet..or all the other stories about stalkers and stuff.
Thanks cartoonloon for the compliment haha | |
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Posted: 3/16/2009 6:43:43 AM |
If I were a Catholic Priest
If you were a Catholic Priest you wouldn’t support divorce either.............hypocrisy makes me giggle.
I was at a funeral removal thismorning.......and I coulndt help but laugh at the sitting, standing and kneeling............nobody knew what to do, all like lemmings following the person infront.....just goes to show how many of us still go to mass. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2009 8:39:03 AM | Anyone with a rational mind should realise that there is no such thing as God. Open your eyes. Religion is an outdated form of crowd control that was designed to keep outlying subjects in check where monarchy or government couldn't reach. What's going on in northern Ireland is nothing to do with religion, it's to do with closed minds and folk stuck in the past. don't even get me started on pedophiles. "Oh no, catholic priest abuse children". Yes, let's all point at the priests, surely they're to blame, they're supposed to be leaders of the community. FFS!! Child abuse is rife the world over and is FAR more often perpetrated by a family member or close family friend and while people are whining about priests being the problem there're things much worse going on that's not getting tackled. I'm sorry guys, this sort of thing makes me very angry. As for the OP. Great, wow, you just solved everything. Why didn't we think of that before? The sheer will of the people of Northern Ireland, regardless of colour or creed is what will prevail. It's a beautiful part of the world, full of regular people who will not stand for the horrible acts that have gone on in the last couple of weeks getting in the way of peace.
Last of all, OP. I'm sure you meant well and are somewhat surprised by the replies you've gotten. Us and Them is human nature. We are all surely the same aren't we? Well, yes and know. And like several of the posters beforehand i'd suggest you look to home first. You're more than welcome to discuss this further but like all things it's in how you approach it. Your thread title was hugely inappropriate. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2009 8:45:26 AM | Of course that bit should have read "yes and no".
Apologies for the rant.
but for the punctuation I came over all tecnic there.
I was just short of saying that Miss Grundy's photo wasn't real and us busy radio djs/producers/conspiracy theorists didn't have time for all these lies.
I am digging the new photo! | |
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Posted: 3/16/2009 9:11:10 AM | I believe in God, but not so much in the religions that purport to worship him.Looking around at the order, beauty and diversity of the earth and the Universe screams his presence to me.Most religions are formed not from the law of love but the law of power, repression and false superiority.Its a way of feeling better than others, a way to excuse greed, lasciviousness and the need to control.It has created fear of female sexuality and women are repressed or covered to become invisible, so men wont be tempted.
Indeed most religions are repressive and harsh to women.They teach fear of women and sex itself, portraying it as sinful and dirty, instead of the natural human thing it is.In fact the more fundamentalist the religion the more sexually repressed the people, in particular women are.Most religions treat women as inferior and try to restrict them to certain roles.Everyone remembers, the atrocities of the Magdalen laundries, where women were enslaved and their babies sold to rich Americans.Women who were often raped and the perpetrators got off scot free, while the women suffered.The fathers of the babies were never held to task.Sadly their own mothers were the first to defend them, so us women often perpetuate the badness ourselves.
If the Christian tenets of love your neighbor and enemies was followed, religion would be a wonderful thing.But sooner or later , the laws are changed to suit the majorities agenda and the whole thing is corrupted.In the North you have one lot with all the power, which they have misused and other using unacceptable measures to gain equal rights.Such an arrangement was always going end badly. You only had to listen to Ian rent-a rant Paisley to know how warped religion can be.Supposedly a Minister, but preaching violence at every turn.If people followed Jesus teachings instead of their own, the churches would not be empty.If people treated others with respect and love, would we need religion at all.
If people developed themselves spiritually and emotionally and grew in the intelligence of both, the world would be a better place. | |
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Posted: 3/16/2009 10:35:43 AM | Hi Malasam
i go to Mass. whether people are sitting, standing or kneeling is not important.
What is important is that God made you and loves you, and wants you to do His will.
And when you say "Yes" to God, your life as a non-believer will be a great source of love and compassion to other non-believers.
But I am way off topic here......sorry! | |
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Posted: 3/16/2009 4:48:44 PM | Hi folk,
As an american who is proud of his Irish heritage i apologize for some people there that think they know all Hope all have a happy and peaceful St Patrick's Day
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Posted: 3/16/2009 7:54:40 PM |
If I were a Catholic Priest, I would tell my congregation that they had better not go out from my church and kill another human being, as this is not the way Jesus Christ has taught us. The Commandment is "Thou shalt not kill." Please nore the lack of "except when". The Lord said "whatsoever you do unto others, you do unto Me".
If I were a Protestant Minister, I would tell them the same thing.
In a country where Christianity is so predominant, it amazes me at how many people kill each other.
1)God is a load of rubbish. You only believe in God because it was built into your belief system before you were old enough to think logically or rationally. God can be dismissed the same way Santa Clause can be dismissed. NO REALLY, it can. Any reason that you suggest in an attempt to support your belief system, either dodges the question at hand or depends upon other flawed assumptions. (Which are inevitably can be dismissed the same way Santa Clause can.)
2) You strike me as being highly ill-informed and up your own arse. You've probably based your opinion of the religious conflict in Northern Ireland on the Hollywood movie "Patriot Games"
3) It is actually peculiar to the rest of the Western world as to why America is still brainwashed by Christianity.
In conclusion, STFU.  | |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 2:42:33 AM | | I've seen news video of Catholic Irish kids throwing rocks at British soldiers in Northern Ireland and Palestinian kids doing the same to Israeli soldiers in Gaza. I've noticed that the Catholic kids in Belfast generally throw line-drives, whereas the Palestinian kids tend to throw curve balls. I found that interesting. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 4:10:37 AM | To answer the Op, I was at mass and the priest did address the murders, it wasn't a personnel choice it was a direction from the top, primate of all ireland and pope were mentioned, but I very much doubt that the killers were there to listen.
As far as the bit of religion bashing that has gone on, well thats the easy option, and something that really is embedded in society, not just on the subject of religion, but all aspects in modern life, its to easy to make fun or point out the failures problems that exisit. I go to mass most every sunday/saturday night, and yes I'm aware of the many problems that the catholic church have incountered and also caused, I look on mass as one hour a week to think and reflect on life, and sometimes an issue brought up through the gospel or sermon can be the stimulent for that thought.
Reading through the posts, most people seem to have good morals and know right from wrong, but don't associate themselves with any particular religion, but most people posting from Ireland probably have had a bit of religion drummed into them at school or been dragged to mass at some stage, for all their wrongs religion has influenced many lives for the better, so why not just focus on the good for a bit.
Okay think thats enough religious nutterism for me for one day | |
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Posted: 3/17/2009 7:14:18 AM | I think your probably too intelligent to believe that religion is a state , or form of stated control.
Many people need religion, it runs through them, good and bad.
It most definately has been usurped by all forms of would be organisers but even in its most diluted form it can give hope etc. Now I'm not condoning it.
I'm just saying it may have a place.
Not in my perfect world but somewhere.
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Posted: 3/17/2009 12:50:55 PM | "in a country where Christianity is so predominant, it amazes me at how many people kill each other"
funny comment coming from an american surely! those silly republican terrorists like Bush, McCain, Cheney, etc bragging about patriotism, waving their flags at home as if they were patriots, and mentioning GOD in every speech have KILLED so many innocent people in Iraq. it has always amazed me the way Bush used to end his speeches 'God bless America'.
a Catholic Spaniard | |
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Posted: 3/18/2009 12:29:28 PM | I consider myself a catholic but definitely not a bible basher. I have my own views and opinions and I will always have them.
I also think
1. Its very very wrong to shove your religion down someone elses throat and
2. Equally bad to disregard someones religion as nonsense since it might be something they hold very close and they depend a lot on.
People will make their own decisions on what they believe to be true. I think a lot of people turn to religion when things turn bad (i.e very sick or loved ones very sick).
When I have kids it will be up to them to choose what they believe in. Im not in the business of brainwashing people. | |
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