| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/21/2009 12:25:07 PM | | Isnt this accepted in most school text books because i remember it from school i think lol anywyas if energy cant be created how does it exist and if it cant be destroyed and we are energy because we are living doesnt that prove life after death? | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/21/2009 12:34:28 PM | It doesn't *prove* that there's life after death... because there's no way (currently) of knowing how stable our 'energy' is.
If you assume that thought is a form of energy, it follows that it is in a very coherent form. When you die, we don't know if that cohesion is retained... or if it simply randomizes.
Alternatively, the energy you're referring to might only be the by-product of chemical reactions within our bodies... when the reactions stop, the energy is no longer produced. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/21/2009 2:03:07 PM | Your body would produce another kind of energy as it rots, then becomes food source or returns to ground which feeds plants which keeps the circle of life going, etc.......
Can anyone hear elton singing or is it just me? | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/21/2009 2:47:02 PM | Maybe a conscious afterlife would be the mother of all disassociative identity disorders.
Your consciousness is broken down into a plethora of smaller identities. And they are all so insignificant, big headed and disconnected from one another, that they do nothing but resist, and interfere with, each other.  | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/21/2009 2:48:18 PM | I don't think it proves life after death. The energy of your body is still there (which a previous poster addressed).
If there is energy to the spirit (and I believe there is), then it continues on, but no one (that I have read) has PROVEN there is energy outside of the energy of the body-although there has been some work done on the difference in weight of a body before and after death, apparently the body is slightly lighter after death, all other things being equal. This may be taken to indicate that the spirit/soul/non corpus part of us has weight/mass that would then of course, continue on, hence proving souls exist, but I don't think there's been anything definitive in this area.
Interesting to meditate on, tho... | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/21/2009 2:56:14 PM |
if it cant be destroyed and we are energy because we are living doesnt that prove life after death
No it doesn't, this shows that once our time comes the atoms in our body will always exist in some form, but that in no way suggests this form will be capable of coherent thought. It's interesting to think that all of the molecules and atoms in our bodies are remnants of a supernova which took place billions of years ago.
Isnt this accepted in most school text books because i remember it from school i think lol anywyas if energy cant be created how does it exist
That's one of the big questions physics is trying to answer. Currently, we do not know what caused the big bang. Mathematical theories which provide insight into the cause do exist within the Superstring Hypothesis, but there is not yet any evidence to show that the ideas which stem from the String Hypothesis are actually correct. They're just mathematical models that 'work'. It's important to note that just because we don't know the answer now, does not mean the answer is unknowable, and it does not mean 'God-did-it'. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/21/2009 4:44:40 PM | "Energy" has an exact meaning in physics. Nothing to do with souls and such. In the physical sense, energy is never created nor destroyed (unless you include "virtual particles" which are both created and destroyed without being observed in the meantime).
In physics there was a notion of conservation of momentum (Newton's third law) long before the notion of conservation of energy. The latter had to wait until heat, among other things, was better understood than it was in Newton's time. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/21/2009 5:00:02 PM | | What's even weirder is that you can convert matter to energy and energy back into matter. (Nuclear reactors do the former and Particle accelerators the latter.) | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/21/2009 5:33:13 PM | Are you thinking that the essences of life has weight? This reminds of the thread in which they were trying to establish if colour has mass.
Even if you take into account the electrical impulses the brain produces even that energy is transfered. I do not beleive that a soul has a quantifiable energy. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/21/2009 7:03:52 PM | Energy can't be created or destroyed, but it can change forms. In a physical sense after death the body's energy becomes food for decomposers who convert that into nutrients for plants and other life etc.....
Life after death is more of a concept of soul. Depends on what you believe and is always food for thought. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/21/2009 10:55:44 PM | | I suppose where the lines get blurred that if science can prove life as we know it is a matter of electrial impulses that our brain sends to our body, but what actual action generates those impulses? Science can only really go so far with its explanations for a lot of things but eventually it hits a wall. Thats not to say it will never answer it, but right now it's not for certain. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/21/2009 11:35:48 PM |
Isnt this accepted in most school text books because i remember it from school i think lol anywyas if energy cant be created how does it exist and if it cant be destroyed and we are energy because we are living doesnt that prove life after death?
Energy neither being created or destroyed is not precisly true, as is the nture of everything in the quantum world.
Energy has phisical properties and these properties can (theoretically) be changed, or even cancelled out. If you were to anihilate a quantum packet ussing its anti-form, then you would be destroying energy.... but it would instantly be rewplaced with another packet of energy. If you think of the universe as a giant cup, energy pours into the cup the moment it is created (big bang) but overflows it and the cup can not contain it all so some runs out and boils off into other dimensions.
Its more correct to say that, overall, energy maintains its total amount. Imagine a snow storm, and an indavidual flake of snow, hitting a pocket of warm air. The flake melts, then the moisture moves out of the warm pocket and refreezes. The snow storm is unefected in anyway by the disapearance and reaperance of any number of flakes, so long as the total number of flakes remained unchanged. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/22/2009 3:15:39 PM | | Energy has a precise definition in modern physcs. It's the quanty that is conserved when a system is invariant under time translations. In other words, if you expect experiments and the real world in general to obey the same laws of physics yesterday as you do today, energy is conserved. However, it isn't always possible to define such a quantity in a curved spacetime. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/22/2009 6:33:02 PM | As others have mentioned, mass counts as energy here, with the equation to E = mc^2 relating the two. Also, in relativity, the laws of conservation of energy and conservation of momentum are merged into a single law, although they can be phrased separately in the limit of small velocities.
Man, I talk a good game. :D | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/23/2009 6:03:13 PM | energy can't be created or destroyed, only changed, and remember that matter is frozen energy as you can convert matter into energy (and back again) as detailed in the whole E=MC^2 equation (i hate that one...) so it all works out in the end.
But it would be nice for *something* after death, otherwise it makes this whole thing quite pointless. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/23/2009 10:40:45 PM | We're all made up of energy, everything we do takes energy, and the energy we use gets put back into well, everything. So why not? I think when some people die their energy gets left behind. Energies can be heavy, negative and some can be positive. Others we don't feel at all.
I think there is a lot we don't know about this world, how it works, and we'll never figure out that in our life times. Maybe we're not supposed to know. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/24/2009 6:08:56 PM | The Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, however it can change form. It doesn't prove anything when talking about life after death though. I believe that the soul is conscious energy, and it leaves when we die. Where it goes is you guess as well as mine: Heaven, Hell, Reincarnation, No Where, Limbo State(infinite nothingness) or somewhere else. The only thing we know is that we are all Body, Mind and Soul, and when we are dead our Body and Mind are left here not working anymore, so some people deduce that the soul is the actual You, and You will live on when you die, and go along with the Law Parameter of just either taking a new form or being in a Limbo State. Perhaps we are all living an infinite continual life, like a movie, where everything will play out over and over forever. In that case you will be you an infinite number of times and never know it. Or a less likely option, we cease to exist period, it being less likely because time is infinite and the odds of us just occupying 70-80 years of infinity seems ridiculous. Then there is the Heaven concept that makes most believers comfortable, most so that they don't go to Hell in their minds. I am against this because the so-called Heaven is filled with clouds and Angels and Harps and no sin. Many people would not consider that an ideal Forever now would they? Hell would be infinite burning which would be a waste of all of the intellectual minds in those flame protected bodies, and if I had a flame protected body where I could infinitely burn wouldn't that make me a superhero? While I'm here where are all of the hookers I passed up? There's no diseases right? Infinite Life. There is no such area. That leaves us with Reincarnation which makes a lot of sense but would I be a human or reincarnated as an animal..I don't think I would mind being a fox. Hmm, do Foxes know they are Foxes, Would I be freaking out like "Holy Sh*! I used to be Human Man!! Probably not, I would probably just want to rip the throat out of a squirrel. The only thing to me that would suck is the infinite nothingness in which case I would never know about it anyway, so bring on the death, come get me Grim Reaper. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/24/2009 7:31:36 PM |
Isnt this accepted in most school text books because i remember it from school i think lol anywyas if energy cant be created how does it exist and if it cant be destroyed and we are energy because we are living doesnt that prove life after death?
No. If energy can't be created nor destroyed it's was never born and can never die. It just IS.
Also, even if we assume that you are energy, then you, the real you, was never born - and therefore can never die.
Also, even if assume you are not energy, but possess some energy, it doesn't automatically flow that YOU survive your death. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/24/2009 10:03:06 PM | | I think this statement is flawed because if energy cant be created then how can it exist and I know that there is another dimension that we cannot see the proof is rediculous. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/24/2009 10:08:56 PM | | And when i say rediculous i mean the proof is overwhelming have you guys seen the show paranormal state plus all the statements from people have experienced hauntings are probaly around at least around 500 thousand not to mention miracles that have happened or how about all the physics out there. | |
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| Energy cant be created nor destroyed?
Posted: 3/24/2009 10:38:31 PM | And when i say rediculous i mean the proof is overwhelming have you guys seen the show paranormal state plus all the statements from people have experienced hauntings are probaly around at least around 500 thousand not to mention miracles that have happened or how about all the physics out there.
Is possible that with all those people who report ghosts, that it is everything they can't take into consideration, because of perfectly acceptable ignorance, that causes them to believe it is even a ghost. And then they attempt to explain the experience without just cause. Even I saw something a few years back, that I can't explain. But I'm not really entitled to try.
Also, when I was a child I believed Santa was walking on the roof, when my eyelashes would brush against my pillow. It makes a delicate crunchy sound. I'd creep downstairs, see shadows cast by a candlelight, and become certain it was Santa. I was so convinced by these things.
Luckily for me, there were others who knew everything that I didn't, concerning this situation, and could set me straight as I got older. But if there was nobody who knew for certain if Santa existed or not, then how far would I expand that misinterpretation? | |
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