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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/26/2009 11:47:39 AM | Lately, the Publicans have been criticizing the President's budget for too much spending. As part of their propoganda campaign, the pubs have come up with a "budget" if their own, titled "The Republican Road to Recovery" which can be seen at:
http://www.gop.gov/solutions/budget/road-to-recovery-final
IMO, eveyrone should get a look at what the publicans think a budget should look like. Apparently, publicans don't realize that budgets state how much it will be spending on the various specific programs, as well as total spending and total revenues.
For example, the President's budget totals all spending and revenue (see http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/fy2010_new_era/Summary_Tables2.pdf). In contrast, the publican plan dangles meaningles generalities like "Republicans would cut overall nondefense spending" without saying which specific programs they will cut, or how much that will save.
another example: health care
The publican plan says:
"With regard to entitlements, Republicans support the
notion that wealthy seniors like Warren Buffett and
George Soros can afford to pay $2 per day more for their
Medicare prescription drug coverage. But we would go
further to save Medicare, by simplifying the current
benefit structure in traditional Medicare to include a
catastrophic cap on out-of-pocket expenses for the first
time in the program’s history. And Republicans plan
vigorous efforts to combat waste, fraud, and abuse in
order to make traditional Medicare more efficient."
They do not explain how they will simplify the current benefit structure, nor do they say how much that would cost or how much that would save. They do not say how the "catastrophic cap" will work or how much it will cost. Nor do they put a $ figure on the amount they will save eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse
Here's what the President's plan says about health care:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/fy2010_new_era/Department_of_Health_and_Human_Services1.pdf
If you read the document, you will see a list of programs with $ figures stating how much will be spent on the program.
IMO, it's obvious that they publicans are banking on the hope that no one will actually read their plan. If people were to read their plan, people would realize that the Rushpublicans have no ideas about how to deal with an economic crisis, and no moral center which is why they spend all their time trying to stop the govt from doing anything | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/26/2009 2:59:47 PM | I just a clip of Boehner announcing the "detailed budget". When asked how much will be spent under their budget, Boehner responded "We'll have the details sometime next week after we work them out"
Silly Rushpublicans think their budget is "detailed" but we have to wait for the details
Another reporter pointed out that Obama's budget promises to cut the budget deficit in half and asked how much their budget cut the deficit. Boehner responded "We'll do better (than Obama)". When asked to state a number, Boehner responded "We'll do better"
The publicans really are the "party of no" - No ideas, no brains, no morals, and no solutions | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/26/2009 3:17:31 PM | In honor of the default head of the Republican Party, I think we should replace the phrase "sour grapes" with the more accurately descriptive phrase "rush limbaugh" (lower case, of course).
I really like the color of the blue budget pamphlet. It just lacks content. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/26/2009 6:51:33 PM | http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/03/25/ferrara_budget_obama/
Under the Obama budget, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that the national debt will more than double over the next 10 years from 40% of GDP today to a shocking 82%! Ronald Reagan left office with the national debt at 42% of GDP. At the end of World War II, the national debt was just under 114% of GDP. If the economy does not recover permanently next year, as even the Congressional Budget Office (now controlled entirely by Democrats) assumes, Obama could even top that World War II record — spending mostly on welfare and entitlements rather than on fighting the Nazis and Imperial Japan.
The deficit would reach a $1.845 trillion this year, according to the CBO — the highest ever except for World War II. That would be more than 4 times Reagan’s largest deficit, which caused so much howling among liberals and Democrats.
The CBO further estimates that this Obama budget deficit will total an astounding 13.1% of GDP, more than one-eighth of the entire U.S. economy, for the federal deficit alone! That is again the largest in U.S. history except for World War II and more than twice Reagan’s highest deficit as a percent of GDP.
Reagan adopted budget cuts soon after he entered office equal to close to 5% of the federal budget at the time. Even with his defense buildup — which won the Cold War without firing a shot — total federal spending declined from a high of 23.5% of GDP in 1983 to 21.3% in 1988 and 21.2% in 1989. That’s a real reduction in the size of government relative to the economy of 10%.
Obama last night also taunted Republican critics of his budget, saying, “we haven’t seen an alternative budget out of them.” But next week when Congress starts debating the budget, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee, will present precisely such an alternative budget. Then we will see what we could have had if we hadn’t elected left-wing extremists to the White House and to run the Congress.
The CBO projects this. It isn't a republican lie. Obama will wreck the nation and I hope he does. That way the left will be silenced once and for all. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/26/2009 6:57:51 PM | http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/03/20/business/Obama-Budget.php
New York Times
The last paragraph is very important BTW.
President Barack Obama's budget proposals, if carried out, would produce a staggering $9.3 trillion in total deficits over the next decade, much more than the White House has predicted, the Congressional Budget Office said on Friday.
The office's estimates of deficits in the fiscal years 2010 through 2019 "exceed those anticipated by the administration by $2.3 trillion."
The deficits under the Obama plan would be $4.9 trillion more than the projected deficits if there were no changes in current laws and policies — what the nonpartisan budget office calls its baseline assumption.
The startling new figures have enormous implications, political as well as fiscal. They are certain to bring new expressions of alarm and dismay from deficit hawks on Capitol Hill, where the president's $3.6 trillion budget proposal for the next fiscal year, which begins in October, has already stirred debate.
President Obama's budget director, Peter R. Orszag, conceded in a news briefing on Friday that annual deficits of 4 to 5 percent of gross domestic product, as envisioned in the office's report, are "ultimately not sustainable."
But Mr. Orszag insisted that administration officials "remain confident" in what he called "the four key principles" of the president's budget outline: health care reform, improvements in education, energy efficiency, and reducing the annual deficit in half by the end of the president's first term from the extraordinary levels it has suddenly reached because of the bailout and stimulus spending this year.
Mr. Orszag said he was confident that those goals will all be accomplished in whatever budget resolution emerges after negotiations with Congress. Asked about recent statements by Senator Kent Conrad, the North Dakota Democrat who heads the Budget Committee, that the president's spending plans might have to be adjusted downward, Mr. Orszag said it was always assumed that there would be negotiations. "It's not like the process would have them just Xerox and vote on it," he said.
As for the differences among various budget projections, Mr. Orszag attributed them in part to small percentages — such as divergent assumptions about the rate of economic growth — that, when applied to huge numbers, can produce eye-popping contrasts.
The new estimates will reignite the debate over whether the president's spending plans are far too ambitious, given the state of the economy, or just what is needed to address systemic problems.
Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa and ranking minority member on the Finance Committee, as well as a senior member on the Budget panel, said Congress and the White House need to get the message that the new figures embody.
"People can afford only so much government spending, even for the worthiest-sounding causes," he said in a statement.
The deficit is the year-by-year gap between what the government spends and the revenue it takes in. So even if annual deficits are cut, the overall national debt will continue to grow so long as there is no surplus. The debt now stands at around $11 trillion, with about $6.5 trillion owed to individuals, corporations and governments and other lenders, foreign or domestic, while about $4.3 trillion is owed to the funds for Social Security benefits, military and civil service pensions and other government programs. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/26/2009 7:37:13 PM | The biggest part of budgeting isn't establishing line items for each spending measure, but the rules used for spending. Reducing Medicare's payout from 90% to 75% would see a substantial reduction in overall costs. Removing the $53 billion a year prescription drug subsidy added under Bush (taken right out of the Hillary task force proposal), getting the federal government out of schools and health care, pulling out of the middle east, etc. Those are policy changes that would lead to cost savings and a balanced federal budget. Adjusting line items in the budget won't reduce spending.
In our State Legislatures, Democrats are voting on party lines for almost every tax and spending increase that they can push through. I've noticed that Democratic voters tend to be drawn in by great rhetoric, but tend to ignore voting records and the actual text of bills. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/26/2009 8:28:13 PM |
Obama will wreck the nation and I hope he does. That way the left will be silenced once and for all. The only remaining question is whether the Party of Limbaugh will stop short of treason in their attempts to wreck the recovery and the nation for the sake of Neocon ideology. By the looks (and lack of substance) of the "Blue Phamphlet" budget announcement, I strongly suspect not.
Obama won. McCain lost, decisively, because the nation can't afford another four years of tax cuts for the rich- which seems to be the only policy trick Republicans know.
Get over it. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/26/2009 8:44:41 PM | There was a small piece of substance in the little blue comic book that the GOP dished up.
They want to cut taxes on all those who make over 100k per year. Yup, drop them from 35 to 25%. Just like Beaugrand®™© said...Obama won. Obama won for a reason, it's called CHANGE !! Now , as i heard from oh so many right wing clods while Bush was setting up his own little dictatorship...if you don't like America, you can leave whenever you want. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/26/2009 8:46:37 PM | I sure hope you guys get it all figured out...it hurts my hair just thinking about it!
I am however starting a new 12 Step Group. Republican's Anonymous.
"Hello, my name is Karen, and....ahhh....errrrr...I'm a Republican".
Damn, I even minored in Economics.....Ayn Rand was my Shero for the longest time; but I'm coming to the conclusion that "capitalism" is truly dead. It's been replaced by legalized theft, extortion, highway robbery and all other manner of schemes by which one select group of people avails themselves to funds which they didn't earn, have no moral claim to (by way of working for...other than planning the heist!)
I'm so angry by the shenanigans being pulled by so called "capitalists" (republicans, free market investors) that I've come to believe that 100 years of Socialism can't possibly harm us any more the stupidity which has been going on for the last 30 years and defended as promoting entrepreneurship .
Where the hell are the Bolsheviks when you need em???? I don't think either agenda is going to fix this mess, the termite problem has become too severe. It's time to let it all collapse into one big heap. Unfortunately, the "have nots" are fighting for survival, the "haves" are fighting to keep their Mercedes and Beemers...because they look so damn good parked on the dock next to their 72 ft yachts. The problem is, while they're busy feeding off each other...it's those of us in the middle who pay their grocery bill....no matter what our political (economic policy) beliefs.
Like I said...My name is Karen....and I'm a Republican....but I'm severely tempted ....after 38 years of "republicanism" to walk into the registrars office tomorrow and switch my affiliation. It's presently a toss up between which I hate most....trying to be "my brother's/ sister's keeper"....or carrying a bunch of crooked scam artists on my back. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/26/2009 9:53:24 PM | In all the years since I became eligible to vote, I've seen several men in office whose policies I disagreed with- Nixon- Carter- Reagan in his first term- Bush 41 and 43- Clinton-
I've argued about their policies, yes, and I've disagreed against their actions (when the Clinton Administration suggested we could only buy two guns a month- it was a struggle, and a hardship, but I did somehow manage to buy my two guns a month- every month- )
I have never, and I would never, say of my President, regardless of his political affiliation-
"I hope he fails."
I don't think the dimwit idiot neocons who mindlessly parrot the fat man's traitorous sentiment realize just how dangerous that sentiment is. Failure would mean the collapse and destruction of the United States. We haven't seen the kind of hardship that would involve, not even during the Great Depression. Failure would mean default of the national Debt payments, the downgrading of T-bills to junk bond status, or worse, a Federal government bankrupt, unable to pay its bills, unemployment on a truly unimaginable scale, and no way to import the massive amounts of resources necessary to sustain the lifestyle to which we have all become addicted. $12 gas would sound like a bargain, if you could afford to drive a car- most of us would be living in them instead, fortunate to ride bicycles to work.
Rush Limbaugh is a traitor, a spineless bully who knows only to spout hateful venom at better men, and his followers are even less worthy.
The Republican response?
Massive tax cuts for the wealthy, and probably a lot more deregulation and lavish taxpayer-funded bonuses for the greedy. In that-
I truly do hope they fail, because I want the recovery to succeed; I don't want this nation to fail, as, apparently, Rush does. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/26/2009 10:45:47 PM | I have never, and I would never, say of my President, regardless of his political affiliation-
"I hope he fails
Under the Obama budget, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that the national debt will more than double over the next 10 years from 40% of GDP today to a shocking 82%!
Failure would mean the collapse and destruction of the United States.
He already has. That right there is failure. If you think that is sustainable with just 52% of the population paying taxes FOR NOW, you're wrong.
The deficit is the year-by-year gap between what the government spends and the revenue it takes in. So even if annual deficits are cut, the overall national debt will continue to grow so long as there is no surplus. The debt now stands at around $11 trillion, with about $6.5 trillion owed to individuals, corporations and governments and other lenders, foreign or domestic, while about $4.3 trillion is owed to the funds for Social Security benefits, military and civil service pensions and other government programs.
Obama’s official budget claims that his proposed energy tax would add $646 billion to energy costs over 8 years. But that’s low-balling it.
As the Washington Times reported:
President Obama's climate plan could cost industry close to $2 trillion, nearly three times the White House's initial estimate of the so-called "cap-and-trade" legislation, according to Senate staffers who were briefed by the White House. . . . At the meeting, Jason Furman, a top Obama staffer, estimated that the president's cap-and-trade program could cost up to three times as much as the administration's early estimate of $646 billion over eight years.
Put another way, Furman estimates the cap-and-trade scheme will cost, on average, $250 billion annually. That estimate must be taken seriously because Furman is deputy director of Obama’s National Economic Council.
I hope he fails? No. I already know he has failed. And throw in the energy tax that's going to raise prices on everything related to it, food, etc., and yeah, it's doomed to failure. His budget is going to wreck the nation and I don't say it in a positive light. I say it because we're all going to suffer under this fool. The one's here that take handouts might not think so but the one's that pay do. That's the difference between you and I sir. You wait on your check, I pay it.
Oh and one other thing, Rush is a radio host and not the republican leader. To sit there and keep repeating it is a lie and makes your argument less credible in the eyes of many people. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/27/2009 7:08:03 AM |
I hope he fails? No. I already know he has failed. And throw in the energy tax that's going to raise prices on everything related to it, food, etc., and yeah, it's doomed to failure. His budget is going to wreck the nation and I don't say it in a positive light. I say it because we're all going to suffer under this fool. The one's here that take handouts might not think so but the one's that pay do. That's the difference between you and I sir. You wait on your check, I pay it.
And predictably, the rushpublicans, after eight years of spending like drunken sailors and ruining the economy, rush to demonstrate thier complete incompetence by complaining about spending and issuing a "budget" filled with grand generalities with no details. And then they try to confuse people with lies about some myhtical energy tax
The Party of No Ideas can do nothing but pout and scream "No! No! No!" to all of the presidents proposals. "No, no, no! You can't let them get those bonuses!!" Then it's "No, no, no! You can't tax those bonuses!!"
"Oh No,oh no, oh no!! The Presidents a Socialist!" Then it's "The President is trying to do too much He should concentrate on the economy!!" And then it's "No, no, no!! The president should stop ruining the economy!!"
The Rushpublicans have no ideas about how to restart the credit market. They have no idea on how to prevent taxpayer dollars from being used for outrageous bonuses, and they have no idea of how to write a budget, as demonstrated by the $5TRILLION dollars in national debt they ran up while they were in charge of Congress.
All they have is lies about the President being a socialist, mythical energy taxes, hope that he fails, and running up spending. They also have the tendency to falsely accused the Democrats of doing all the wrong things the Rushpublicans did when they were in power - excessive spending, running up the national debt, ruining the economy and most importantly, lying. At this point, lies are all the publicans have
Oh and one other thing, Rush is a radio host and not the republican leader. To sit there and keep repeating it is a lie and makes your argument less credible in the eyes of many people.
Rush is the publican's leader which is why there is not even one elected rushpublican who will criticize Rush. Even the head of the RNC was forced to apologize to Rush,, the leader of the Rushpublican party | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/27/2009 7:12:34 AM | All they have is lies about the President being a socialist, mythical energy taxes, hope that he fails, and running up spending. They also have the tendency to falsely accused the Democrats of doing all the wrong things the Rushpublicans did when they were in power - excessive spending, running up the national debt, ruining the economy and most importantly, lying. At this point, lies are all the publicans have
Are you sure?
All one has to do is Google the word cap and trade to see there is no lie about this. I want to know why are you trying to hide the fact that the energy taxes are going to cost people thousands of dollars more each year? Tell us oh great one because it is a known FACT that the administration wants to go green by forcing it upon the population.
I could understand in pre-internet days that lies could be hidden but it's 2009. It's easy to find out what the administration is up to and for all you to come up with is that it's a right wing lie is kinda dumb. He's going to wreck the nation and it's quite evident.
You're a liar and it's plain to see. Go get help. And my advice to you is to stop lying on a dating site. It doesn't do anything for you chances of meeting anyone.
Rush is the publican's leader which is why there is not even one elected rushpublican who will criticize Rush. Even the head of the RNC was forced to apologize to Rush,, the leader of the Rushpublican party
Prove it.
I'm done with you because it's obvious to me what you're willing to go to further your agenda and political ideology. All one has to do is research to see just how much harm the idiots agenda is going to cause us. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/27/2009 7:38:16 AM | Cap and trade plans exist.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/obama-calls-pollution-cap-and-trade-program/story.aspx?guid={E704950B-F8D6-49EB-9C20-BCCECEB72374}
And who pays for the plans? The consumer does in the end.
Under a cap-and-trade plan, companies that produce carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases receive or buy credits that give them the right to emit a certain amount. Companies that emit less carbon than their credits allow can profit by selling any excess credits on the open market, while those that exceed their emission allowance have to make up the difference or face heavy fines.
Obama's plan would require all credits to be purchased at auction, rather than allocated by industry -- a move his campaign said would ensure that all polluters pay for every ton of emissions released.
Nope. Corps that come under their cap will be able to sell the excess into perpetuity. The lowered costs can and will be passed onto the consumer and the technology can be sold overseas to bring money into our economy instead of sending to oil-rich nations that support terrorism - nations like Saudi Arabia which has close ties to the Bush family and the Rushpublicans.
You mean when many can't afford to use gas and electricity, right? Then of course there well be an excess because no one can buy it.
From another source:
http://www.americansforprosperity.org/022709-obamas-energy-tax
White House Budget Director Peter Orzcag admitted that decreasing carbon emissions imposes costs on the economy, and "much of those costs will be passed along to consumers in the form of higher prices for energy and energy-intensive goods.
For all intents and purposes, it is another tax. The people will pay for it. You can twist it around as much as you want to but the truth is that the consumer will pay for it. Remember when gas hit $4.00 a gallon and how everything else rose along with it? It's going to be permanent with this idiots plan. That's what you need to realize as well. Nevermind the gas because a gallon of milk is going to cost $8.00 because the cost of TRANSPORTING it will be passed onto the CONSUMER along with everything else.
Stop lying. I'm amazed that you are for people paying for this shit and when many don't even have a job. WTF is wrong with you? You want people to be so broke as to starve because they can't afford food? You are indeed insane for believing in his plan. It is truly twisted and sick.
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/27/2009 7:57:31 AM | I'm surprised you're back. In post #18 you said you were donr, and yet, here you are again!!! 
I guess we can't believe anything you say
For all intents and purposes, it is another tax.
In other words, you weren't telling the truth earlier when you said there would be an energy tax. I guess we can't believe anything you say
The people will pay for it.
Nope. Corps that come under their cap will be able to sell the excess into perpetuity. The lowered costs can and will be passed onto the consumer and the technology can be sold overseas to bring money into our economy instead of sending to oil-rich nations that support terrorism - nations like Saudi Arabia which has close ties to the Bush family and the Rushpublicans.
No wonder they want us to keep burning oil | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/27/2009 8:07:04 AM | He will be back after Rush tells him what to think.
If you say so. You're as twisted as she is. You offer no facts but insults and that's OK. You have no facts to go on and I know this and I don't expect any less from you.
The facts are out there. All one has to do is research them. So please go on and throw out insults all you like. We all know THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO because the truth is exactly what has been stated.
If you were actually mature enough, rational and in the right you'd give me facts and figures of the impact of the cap and trade, the budget and the effects in terms of cost associated onto the people to back up all this crap. You offer not one. Instead you and the other one up above keep writing about Rush like the good sheeple that you two are. Rush isn't anything but a radio host. He has no power to do anything as do the republicans in office. All this mess is indeed on the shoulders of the democrats and even they admit that the cost associated with this cannot be maintained by the government or the people ala the Congressional Budget Office. Then throw in the cap and trade and the cost passed onto you guessed it, the consumer and the economy is in shambles for a good long time. It's done. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/27/2009 8:15:29 AM | I can give facts all day long as have other posters but trying to reason with a Rush Limbaugh clone is useless. They just can not think for themselves. Hubba,Hubba | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/27/2009 8:17:06 AM |
I can give facts all day long as have other posters but trying to reason with a Rush Limbaugh clone is useless. They just can not think for themselves. Hubba,Hubba
I'm waiting. Let me know when you find some. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/27/2009 8:47:33 AM | Here are the facts
1) The Party of Limbaugh spent 8 years spending like drunken sailors. Now that a Democrats in charge, they suddenly discovered they don't like spending
2) The Party of No complains about the President's budget, but they are incapable of writing a budget themselves.
3) The Rushpublicans are happy to do nothing while the execustives who ran this economy into the ground receive taxpayer funded bonuses
4) Instead of offering ideas and solutions for our nation's problems, the Rushpublicans have nothing but lies about mythical energy taxes and increases in the income tax.
5) Because they have nothing to offer but lies, the Rushpublicans try to hide their incompetence and deceit by accusing everyone who disagrees with them of lying. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/27/2009 9:21:05 AM | You mean you're also not satisfied with the Rushpublicans budget's total lack of detail? IMO, you should probably run that opinion past your party leader, Rush Limbaugh
You prove my point exactly by trying to change the subject.
The republicans don't have the votes to pass or prevent anything. Again, give me what I requested. If you can't or won't, then you just acknowledged what I've been saying here is right.
I'm not here to battle ideologies with you. I'm trying to pass on the information of the true impact an agenda like this will have. I've given out numbers, quotes of persons directly involved and the impact it will have. All you want to do is say a radio host and AIG are somehow connected to all of this or they are covertly trying to starve people or some other bullshit. They aren't. This is the agenda of the left so give out the total costs of all this and let's see what it really is all about. It's really quite a simple request so do it. I'm waiting. | |
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| The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 3/27/2009 9:44:42 AM | You prove my point exactly by trying to change the subject.
Do you really think this thread is not about the budget? Maybe you should read the OP again
The republicans don't have the votes to pass or prevent anything.
Their lack of votes matches their lack of ideas
Again, give me what I requested
LOL! I respond to your requests when you respond to mine.
I've given out numbers, quotes of persons directly involved and the impact it will have
No, you've told lies about mythical energy taxes and income tax incrfeases in the budget. Meanwhile, your Rushpublican colleagues have been unable to offer any alternatives. All they can do is say "No"
All you want to do is say a radio host and AIG are somehow connected to all of this
That's not all I said. I also pointed to the FACT that Rush and his followers (ie the entire GOP) have no ideas and want the economy to fail. And for all your talk about how Rush is just an entertainer, I have yet to see you or any elected Rushpublican disagree with what he says.
so give out the total costs of all this
Ae you talking about the publican's budget again? I can't give you any details because thier "budget" didn't contain any. They complain about the deficits in Obama's budget, but they don't even know how much of a deficit their own "budget" would lead to.
Writing a budget is the most basic, and most important, acts of governing. The publican inability to write a budget, combined with the economic incompetence of the last 8 years proves that the Party of No Ideas is not fit to govern
But if you want some facts with #'s here's a couple
1) The # of spending bills bush* vetoed = 0
2) The increase in the national debt under bush* = 5 trillion | |
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