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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 2:21:09 AM | I read throught he 'what would you change about the UK' thread and was somewhat surprised to see so much anti EU feelings expressed. Having been interested in the EU and it's development almost every day now for two years I have yet to find anything about the EU that is bad or ill intentioned. There has been many beneficial things done that have improved all our lives and whilst there are obviously things that could and should have been done better or differently, there is little or nothing that works to the detriment of Britain or Ireland that I have come across.
So why the negativity?, it doesn't make sense to me. | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 2:46:35 AM |
There has been many beneficial things done that have improved all our lives
Many?
Name ten things which we wouldn't have had if the EU didn't exist.
The EU is a nazi organisation. Few people know that the Treaty of Rome states that the goal is 'ever closer political union'. That means only one thing - one nation, one state, one leader.
Does that sound familiar? It's exactly what Napolean and Hitler wanted, although they weren't as patient as the EU is.
Since 1973, our governments have slowly given away our right to govern ourselves. The House of Lords is no longer the supreme legal authority, and parliament is no longer the supreme executive. We have the pretence at democracy with our MEPs, but they are not able to prevent the EU Commission enacting diktats, sorry.....directives.
Our government may not pass a law which conflicts with any EU laws, and the EU creates 70% of ours. Therefore, the EU effectively creates all our laws.
Why have we lost our post offices?
Why is the Post Office being split up?
Why do only have fortnightly refuse collection?
Why do we have wind farms?
EU directives!
We get back £2 for every £3 we give.
We no longer have borders - anyone who gets aboard this rock has a 99% chance of staying.
We cannot deport criminals if they are EU subjects, or if they might be in trouble in their own country.
I hate the EU with a passion, and those who support it are either politically ignorant or are happy to live within a nazi state.
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 2:56:35 AM | Zeegary,
I normally find you a competent, informed, agreeable and good person to swap opinions with but this statement surprises me.
"I hate the EU with a passion, and those who support it are either politically ignorant or are happy to live within a nazi state."
I am no fan of the EU myself and I find this union is based on the wrong principles. However, it is only through this union that we will survive in a world where much bigger countries are flexing their muscle. We should be "in" with all guns blazing and try our hardest to make it a political union before it is a monetary one. Unions must be based on values to thrive. Then it would be a great place to be rather than the nazi state to be you talk about.
We share similar cultures stemming from a common religious heritage, most of the rest of the world doesn't see life as we do and if we want to survive "united we stand, divided we fall". | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 3:02:09 AM | The government seems to have little or no control over immigation as it is !!
The 427,000 EU immigrant workers who have registered in the UK since 2004 have brought with them 36,000 dependents. So far 27,000 child benefit applications have been approved for them.
Our resources have proved time and time again that we simply cant cope with the demands these immigrant families place on them.
With this recession we have witnessed the decline in immigrant workers where they have milked the cow until they can no longer and taken their money 'back home' and not circulated it here.........maybe this has contributed to the recession we are now in ??
The UK can be out-voted on law-making in many areas, and if it does not apply to European legislation it can be taken to court................we have all seen the downside already to this surely?? | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 3:44:54 AM | "Knee jerk, daily Mail, inherent xenophobia, little Britain, curtain twitching, snobbery, perhaps?"
Typical lefty reaction!
Where in the last 12 years of this useless goverment has labour done US the english people any favours, the un-elected no-marks say jump,coward Brown /blair say how high, why did they get rid of every veto the GREAT MAGGIE WON FOR US IN EUROPE, why was it she had the balls to stand up to them every step,yet the coward party who by there actions of disolving our borders an for 12 years flooded this country with scounging immigrants,asylum seekers,an the crims from europe, have shown they want us to be run by europe,instead of having the gumption an skills to run this country for us, they are imcompetent,useless,
they taken over our fishing, an ruined that,everybody else can catch what they like in british waters but us. yet apperently they cant stand us fishing in there waters??
they want to interfere in every aspect of our laws, a pathetic one, changing our laws in driving that wehave to have our car lights on during the daylight!
it was supposed to be a fair playing field for trade between european countrys,the french during the time of off loading our products into the sea.not letting them land,setting fire TO our goods,nothing done, where in actual fact per person we are paying most per head,an we get nothing out of it,
the fiddles by the various countries are overlooked, the french an germans semding millions of scounging immigrants over here to get them off there shores, nothings done about it,
its a very corrupt society for the european countries to scam left & right BUT LABOUR HAVENT THE BALLS TO STAND UPTO THEM roll ON UKIP getting in AN GETTING US OUT,
I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING OUT ,I CANT STAND BEING IN THERE,AN COWARD BROWN KEEPS ASKING HOW HIGH,GET RID OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT AN CLEAR ENGLAND OF ALL FOREIGNERS | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 3:56:50 AM | A common market for trade, reciprical medical care throughout the EU the ability for EU nationals to work within the EU on an equal footing.
great idea but try and get equal medical care throughout the EU without a credit card. (the E111 gets the bare minimum )
Eu Nationals-on equal work footing- ask any North SeaOil workers - UK workers do two weeks on two weeks off- Dutch workers get two weeks on three weeks off!
and consider how wasteful the EUis:
The Bureacracy of Brussels/ Strasbourg and the weak representation that Great Britian has within the EU. Also you must ask yourself how effective an organisation is that has failed to agree on the location of its head office since 1973- search Google and check out the costs of relocating/duplicating its bureaucrats every two years.
But the reason why Great Britain is so anti EU is how our governement Cow- tows to EU doctrines- does anyone remember the Durham Greengrocer who was prosecuted for selling his produce in lbs and oz - he argued that most of his customers were pensioners who didnt know the metric system yet he still got convicted.- he went to an early grave thanks to the GB courts enforcing EU LAWs.
A Spanish friend who is a MP was overwhelmed by this - he explained the Spanish outlook on the EU law
" In Spain we take on and enforce those EU laws that we think are good and better than our local laws. But if we see an EU Law that we don't agree with- We ignore it"
He wondered why we didnt do the same? | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 4:19:22 AM |
" In Spain we take on and enforce those EU laws that we think are good and better than our local laws. But if we see an EU Law that we don't agree with- We ignore it"
And that is part of the problem. We are not Spanish..or French..or German. Neither are we Polish or Czechoslovakian. Yes we may be of similar stock but we are essentially different peoples, with different values and customs. After all it was only 50 years ago that a lot of these countries were at war with each other.
Before you lot have a go at me for being xenophobic, the idea of a united Europe is a good one but the pace needs to slow waaaaayy down. No matter what Broon and his businessman mates will try and make you believe, a united europe is not wanted by the public and will not be for a long time. You simply cannot wipe away over 1000 years of mistrust and suspicion overnight. | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 4:32:20 AM | | I do think being in the EU is a good thing, as long as we as a country are strong enough to control it! I'm no expert, but if Britain left the EU, I think it would fall apart as we provide a huge amount of finance to keep it going. Why we don't use this to our advantage is beyond me. | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 4:34:07 AM |
I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING OUT ,I CANT STAND BEING IN THERE,AN COWARD BROWN KEEPS ASKING HOW HIGH,GET RID OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT AN CLEAR ENGLAND OF ALL FOREIGNERS
Which foreigners? Do you mean people who have come here to work, people who are asylum seekers, do you include people who have been born here and may have Muslim parents or grandparents? Define foreigner? Would you also ask British people who hae settled abroad to return home because they are foreigners?
Why are people, including yourself to be denied basic human rights? Basically then you are saying you want Britain to be a police state and only people who are white and have not a trace of any other nationality in their blood line to remain living in the UK.
I take it you only buy goods and services that are 100 per cent UK produced, including the food you eat? If you don't then there is a whiff of hypocrisy about your posts. | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 4:37:45 AM | Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
A lot of people like to have something to blame for the fact that we no longer have an empire that rules the globe. The EU is a handy target for the tabloid media as it enables them to imply that it's all the fault of Johnny foreigner for banning the great British sausage and forcing us to eat straight bananas. | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 4:56:35 AM | While I think there are lots of things wrong with the EU, I think the main reason is still knee-jerk, Daily mail-reader type xenophobia.
The proof of this being that a large number of people opposed to the EU actually don't consider themselves European or Britain to be a European country. Denial of a basic geographical fact shows that theres more to it than just not wanting political union with the rest of Europe. | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 5:17:35 AM | " While I think there are lots of things wrong with the EU, I think the main reason is still knee-jerk, Daily mail-reader type xenophobia."
You english/lefty wet liberals who are always going about & blaming the "daily mail" culture ,
Iam english, proud to be english, i didnt know we had under signing up must have been fixed an pushed through regardless to the common market, we had signed up to be a european country to be told by un-elected no-marks wat we can an cant do , to fill this country with immigrants the eec (france /germany WANT TO GET RID OF.to be RIPPED OFF an the coward party havent done a thing for us since the prime minster with no mandate coward brown decided he was goiin to be prime minster.THERE ARE COUNTRIES WERE YOU MAY FIND MORE SUITABLE TO YOUR LEFY BELIEFS | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 5:29:42 AM | I see, so only people who agree with your views should be allowed to live in the UK?
What is the point of having the vote if people are only allowed to vote Tory. So to clarify, only white Tory voters should be allowed to live in England (Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales). | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 5:45:53 AM | @MSG 4 So, you're no 'fan' of the EU, yet claim that Great Britain cannot 'survive' without being in it.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'survive', given that most of the countries of the world manage perfectly well being outside the EU - as does Switzerland.
I have no problem with the cultures of European countries (I am a huge Francophile) but I do not want to be dictated to by people I cannot vote against.
And what does "united we stand, divided we fall" actually mean?
Knee jerk, daily Mail, inherent xenophobia, little Britain, curtain twitching, snobbery, perhaps?
No - hard-headed examination of the facts - education is a wonderful thing.
I do think being in the EU is a good thing, as long as we as a country are strong enough to control it!
It depends on who you mean by 'we'.
If you are an EU commissioner or one of its three presidents, then you already do.
No-one else has a say - I suspect that you might be in that latter group.
Why are people, including yourself to be denied basic human rights?
Er......we had those before we joined the EU. Google Bill Of Rights.
A lot of people like to have something to blame for the fact that we no longer have an empire that rules the globe. The EU is a handy target for the tabloid media as it enables them to imply that it's all the fault of Johnny foreigner for banning the great British sausage and forcing us to eat straight bananas.
Some of us who oppose the EU are fully aware that the loss of the Empire was nothing to do with the EU.
Equally, we know that the EU has tried to ban certain food products, and has only recently let us buy bendy bananas.
While I think there are lots of things wrong with the EU, I think the main reason is still knee-jerk, Daily mail-reader type xenophobia.
What has xenophobia got to do with it?
The proof of this being that a large number of people opposed to the EU actually don't consider themselves European or Britain to be a European country. Denial of a basic geographical fact shows that theres more to it than just not wanting political union with the rest of Europe.
What has geography got to do with it?
My objection to the EU is based purely on the politics that deny 450 million people the right to self-determination. I have absolutely no problem with any of the races, cultures, religions of my fellow Europeans.
the idea of a united Europe is a good one
It is united under the UN and NATO organisations - it doesn't need to be united under one unelected leader, which is where it's going. | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 5:46:50 AM | The EU in principal is a good idea, but the current implementation is nonsense....
The Council of European Ministers is one enormous unelected quango empire...
To quote the Colonials.... No taxation without representation....  | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 6:14:18 AM |
I'm not sure what you mean by 'survive', given that most of the countries of the world manage perfectly well being outside the EU - as does Switzerland.
Those European countries outside the EU like Switzerland and Norway have very small populations, are very rich in natural resources and have very specialised economies. An economy like ours relies more heavily on being part of the EU. As one example, we have no British car manufacturing industry, yet japanese companies like Honda, Toyota and Nissan use us as their EU base. They and countless other international firms wouldn't be here providing thousands - probably millions - of jobs if we were outside the main regional trading bloc. I admit, I'd like to see us develop our own industry again, but the way our economy is structured now would make it very difficult for us outside the EU and that is why most politicians, economists and the like are in favour and (admittedly undemocratically!) deny us a referendum.
No - hard-headed examination of the facts - education is a wonderful thing.
That might be the case for you, but look no further than Energy healers posts for an example of what is meant by ignorant xenophobia!
What has geography got to do with it?
Absolutely nothing for someone with a reasoned anti-EU view such as yourself. My point was that a large proportion of those most vocal against the EU also rant against "Europeans" and "foregners" in general. Again, Energy Healer is an (admittedly extreme) example. | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 6:20:40 AM | I think fraud,corruption and not to mention EU politicians getting rich
on the Brussels gravey train fiddiling their expenses might have something to do with it
And the fact that most Brits do not wish to be told what to do buy unelected French beaurocrats(sp?)
Not to mention either the European human rights act and the mickey mouse Euro single currency.
I think thats enough reasons for now!...Vote NO for the Euro if Brown ever carries out his election pledge! | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 6:23:29 AM | That story about bendy bananas is an urban myth, dreamt up by the tabloids some years ago, and is rightly derided as such.
And calling into question my lack of education is a cheap shot, stick to the argument and i am sure we will get along fine. | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 6:36:04 AM |
~Hams~;
I think fraud,corruption and not to mention EU politicians getting rich
on the Brussels gravey train fiddiling their expenses might have something to do with it
And of course 'elected' members of parliament in this country, on all sides of the political spectrum, have never fiddled expenses! | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 6:53:41 AM | " "I do think being in the EU is a good thing, as long as we as a country are strong enough to control it!"
It depends on who you mean by 'we'.
If you are an EU commissioner or one of its three presidents, then you already do.
No-one else has a say - I suspect that you might be in that latter group."
Sorry ZG, that was a bit of tongue-in-cheek. By 'we' I meant Britain. Yes, no-one else has a say - is that irony? | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 7:02:01 AM |
And calling into question my lack of education is a cheap shot
I didn't comment about the state of your education - I merely pointed out the fact that my opinion is based on MY education.....you can base your opinion on whatever you like, but I prefer my method.
HTH
That story about bendy bananas is an urban myth, dreamt up by the tabloids some years ago
Let's see what the EU says about that.
http://ec.europa.eu/news/eu_explained/070823_1_en.htm
"Other tall tales include the harmonisation of condom sizes – as with clothes sizes, the EU has nothing to do with setting these standards – and a ban on "excessively curved" bananas. This story at least contains a grain of truth: bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature" if they are to be sold under the "extra class" category - but the EU has never attempted to ban them."
So, the tabloids were correct, and you are wrong.
FYI the directive involved is 2257/94 if you want to confirm this.
An economy like ours relies more heavily on being part of the EU. As one example, we have no British car manufacturing industry, yet japanese companies like Honda, Toyota and Nissan use us as their EU base. They and countless other international firms wouldn't be here providing thousands - probably millions - of jobs if we were outside the main regional trading bloc.
First of all, a glance at the workforce of these 'British' companies shows that many jobs have gone to people who aren't actually British, and were attracted here in the hope of taking British jobs from British workers.
Secondly, it would be perfectly possible to return to our 'trading bloc' status following withdrawal from the EU. Remember the scare stories about those companies relocating elsewhere if we didn't join the euro? 12 years later, and they are still here.
My point was that a large proportion of those most vocal against the EU also rant against "Europeans" and "foregners" in general. Again, Energy Healer is an (admittedly extreme) example.
So, you based this comment on the content of a post written by one person with a poor grasp of grammar but a passionate belief in his country?
I do wish people would make enquiries beyond the world of pof before using terms like 'most', 'all', ' every', etc.
If you check the anti-EU websites, you'll discover that a dislike of Europeans is remarkably absent, especially those Europeans who live in their own countries. Even the BNP is happy to foster existing trading links with Europe once we have left the EU.
By 'we' I meant Britain.
OK, so does that mean the people of Britain or its politicians, or it's EU commissioner?
Only the latter has a say in the EU, and I suspect that you aren't him. | |
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| Why are so many British people so opposed to the EU ?
Posted: 3/31/2009 7:06:11 AM | | the hatred of the eu is quite easy as how many of the leaders are elected? no wonder brown loves them, as hes non elected as well lol the european court of law over rules our government quite a few times (yes i no i carnt stand labour but at least they were elected and we do have a house of lords). i can remember when we had foot and mouth (no not gordon and jacqui) and our meet was banned from export, rightly so and the ban continued a while after it was given the all clear. now when france had it totally different rules! now germany has a problem with a fly carnt quite remember the name off hand. it was supposed to be starting to affect british animals and would of ment a simular burning to foot and mouth. but again watch the one rule for one country become into effect! | |
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