| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 11:31:10 AM | When I was growing up, it was common to hear, "pick up some milk for the baby"....all six of my siblings drank regular ole milk as did my parents and grandparents...well you get the idea. And none of us suffered for it. We are all thriving and doing well.
We also ate PB & J sandwiches since we could chew. None of us wound up with food allergies nor did we become lactose intolerant. Can't say any of our friends did either.
Now you hear of young moms watering down their baby formula to stretch it out due to its high cost...which is a very bad idea for the baby. I wonder about this.
We hardly ever saw a fat kid...they were rare because we ate home cooked meals and played outside till we (reluctantly) were called to come in.
Antibacterial wipes? Never! I'm sure we ate our fair share of dirt! lol
What things did you grow up with that isn't practiced today but you survived just fine...?
What things changed for the better, do you think? (Helmets might be one)
According to today's standards...me and my childhood friends and siblings should be doing poorly, but I hardly ever get sick and still have all my parts...as do they!  | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 11:50:46 AM | "None of us wound up with food allergies nor did we become lactose intolerant"
Alergies etc. (peanut alergy especially) are often caused by the vaccination now given to todays youngsters.
I have to agree that antibacterial this and that is a really bad idea. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 11:56:40 AM | We built tree houses and invented cost free things to do. At night we played “spot’em” with a flash light. I think we must have invented spot’em.
Me and a friend pushed our (push only) lawn mowers miles and miles - walked up to doors “would you like us to mow you yard?”.
In the winter time it was a shovel “would you like us to shovel your drive”.
Now it is Nintendo and a bag of chips - rain, snow or shine. If not video games it is texting. Often the person sitting right beside you lol.
We walked to school or rode our bicycle - no matter how far away from the school we lived.
The “need” for formula was ............ invented to make money.
Today .... the multimillion dollar pharmaceutical commercials (rapidly) tell you their pill could kill you - then show you actors and their wonderful life.
I don’t pay much attention to the bullchit big business (or politicians) are spewing at me. | |
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*Don*
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Joined: 1/30/2009
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 11:57:18 AM | Just as the mind needs to be used as we age or we begin to forget things, the body needs to be exercized or we begin to seize up and fail, so too does the immune system need to be 'worked' to keep it strong. I've always thought that living in the media's 'latest-fad'-generated sterile 'bubbles' is bad for human beings. We need to scuff our knees, survive a belly full of green apples and occasionally go face first in the mud to keep us strong.
D | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 12:23:24 PM | Isn’t it fun to be of the generation that can say “in my day”?
Things were a lot simpler then for sure. Yes we were fed cow’s milk. But at that time it wasn’t contaminated with hormones and antibiotics as it is today. Is formula better? I dunno, maybe. But it has preservatives that I suspect may have a negative impact on the health of a child. I nursed both my children, and years come and go without any of us running to the doctor. Something about antibodies in mother’s milk apparently aids the development of the immune system.
Our systems have to deal with a lot more contaminants now than before. Our poor children are injected with a multitude of life threatening diseases, before the reach age one. They are placed in daycares where their under-developed immune systems are exposed to yet more disease. We nourish them with food that is grown with the aid of chemical fertilizers, herbicides, and genetic mutation. But that’s ok. We now have a multitude of medications to increase the quality and duration of life, and another multitude of medications to deal with the side effects of those medications.
So to tie this back to your question; something we did as kids and survived, that isn’t practiced today: let our immune systems develop naturally. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 1:04:45 PM | Well, I nursed both my babies and my first born ended up lactose intolerant. As an infant she had severe colic.
It's true that ensuing generations have more allergies, self-immune diseases, diabetes, cancer etc.. I am inclined to suspect the additives to vegetable and animal food sources.
I work in horticulture and you would be surprised at how food can be manipulated during growth through pesticides, hormones and DNA. It scares me. One of the scariest is a company called "Monsanto". I swear that they are the evil empire. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 1:07:22 PM | I know people who haven't vaccinated their children and the children are doing just fine. Some now have their own babies who aren't being vaccinated either.
It is a difficult battle with the school boards over the issue. The only way I know that people are able to get away with not vaccinating their children is to say it is a religious preferance (as if).
It makes no sense to worry about unvaccinated children if everyone else is vaccinated. The only way that could be a problem is if the vaccines don't work.
Gotta love the Rx drug industry. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 1:55:27 PM | If my sister or I got a cold, it went away on its own time...no visit to the doctor for each little fever, cough or upset stomach. In fact, I don't know if my mother owned a thermometer. Today's practice of rushing kids to the clinic and expecting some sort of treatment for every little thing is a big part of the current problem of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
Those who don't vaccinate their children are depending on everyone else to do so. Their children can remain disease free only because others do immunize themselves. That's a very selfish perspective. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 3:28:44 PM | Isn’t it fun to be of the generation that can say “in my day”? Yes! lol
I was just talking to my dad about this and the way he recalled the situation changing had a lot to do with the introduction of "new" pesticides to increase the farming demands for growing populations and getting away from the naturally grown gardens of old, (that seem to be making a comeback now) and peoples lifestyles and Job demands making them dependent on a market system.
He and his five brothers were raised on a farm, and they worked hard...very far from the city living we see today.
I also have read were natural whole goats milk showed great benefit for babies who consumed it than drinking the "baby formula".
My father said they were all raised on whole cows milk right off their farm.
I think there is a movement to get back to the basics, but it may take a while for things that are troublesome today, to turn around.
Oh....Mom had us all in Cloth diapers too...it was 'just done', and not considered a big deal. Though...I did enjoy not having to do that!  | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 3:50:38 PM | "Their children can remain disease free only because others do immunize themselves. That's a very selfish perspective."
Ah.............we are safe. The average person complies with what they are told to do by big business.
Now we won't mention the diseases that the vaccines cause........................... | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 4:07:47 PM |
If my sister or I got a cold, it went away on its own time...no visit to the doctor for each little fever, cough or upset stomach. In fact, I don't know if my mother owned a thermometer. Today's practice of rushing kids to the clinic and expecting some sort of treatment for every little thing is a big part of the current problem of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
Agreed
Those who don't vaccinate their children are depending on everyone else to do so. Their children can remain disease free only because others do immunize themselves. That's a very selfish perspective
Here we somewhat disagree. In order for this statement to be true, one must believe that immunization works. Now I’m not saying that proof does not exist, but I am saying I have yet to find documented evidence that satisfies me. If anyone can point me in the direction of something that I missed while researching this I will certainly graciously give it an open-minded look-see. There does seem to be some statistical data collected on the instance of children having a negative reaction to some immunizations, but of course since many immunizations have been mandatory, there is little comparable statistical data for those who have not been immunized.
Thus far I have concluded that immunization is not worth the risk for me and my family. But I don’t have a PHD in biology, and certainly not enough time on my hands to do a thesis on the topic.
My motivation for refusing any further immunization for my family is certainly not motivated by a philosophy that others taking the risks are some sort of protection I can hide behind. I would really rather encourage others not to immunize as well. A vast amount of information is available to all who are interested, and it’s only a google click away. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 4:32:26 PM | "I have concluded that immunization is not worth the risk for me and my family. But I don’t have a PHD in biology"
Neither do I but I have studied under enough peope who do, and who specialize in the anti immunization theory.
I have seen enough with my own eye the horror of todays cures. I don't use medicine until I have cause, and then it is holistic meds. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 4:50:33 PM | *"pick up some milk for the baby"....all six of my siblings drank regular ole milk as did my parents and grandparents...well you get the idea. And none of us suffered for it. We are all thriving and doing well. *
I'm going to suggest that you were all healthy from the get go. Cow's milk (that old regular stuff) is for baby cows....not baby humans. Female mammals lactate and feed that milk to baby humans. When a human mother cannot breast feed or chooses not to, she uses formula. The production of human milk is directly linked to the mother's diet so if a human mother wants to breast feed and there are no psychological impediments she usually can at least until all important antibodies have been transmitted to the baby.
What didn't I have growing up but survived the same?
No TV in the house until I was 14.
No junk food and very little processed food.
No pop
No seat belts in cars......but this has changed for the better, IMO, given the amount of traffic on the roads.
No car when I turned 16....didn't even learn to drive until I was 33 and had to learn.
No email.....we knew how to write letters and address envelopes too and, you know, we wrote letters and mail call was a highlight of the day!
No dishwasher.....I have one now but I don't use it....easier to wash up the dirty plates.
No microwave....food still got heated up.
No computer or Internet....we read books and spent a lot of time at the library with other books.
No fabric softener, dryer sheets and all the myriad of cleaners you have now. It was soap, water and fresh air to dry clothes together with household staples like vinegar and soda to clean windows or wipe counters.
Something else that has changed for the better is the invention of dried dog food and city by-laws forcing you to clean up after your dog....well, in many places!
SARL | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 5:01:58 PM | And before there was cows' [sic] milk there was breast milk. What a concept! And cheap too, dirt cheap! One human eats store bought food and two derive the benefits. Wow!
And the cows' milk was delivered to our door. But who knows how long it sat there before being brought in and placed in the fridge! Oh well, we survived.
And not only did we eat our fair share of dirt, we washed it down with the garden hose! We were far too busy playing outside to run in for a drink, or heavens forbid, a bottle of water! Oh that's right, they weren't invented then. My bad.
I agree with Ron9. I, too, don't usually subcribe to the big business BS. But then again, I am marketing major - learnt all about their tricks/schemes in college (i.e. subliminal advertizing, creating a need/demand, etc).
I believe that the obesity problem of today is due to growth hormones, additives, pesticides and the like. Home cooked meals are far better than store-bought. If I make a lasagna, I can control most of the fat that goes in it by using olive oil, lean ground beef and low-fat cheese. I shudder to think what is found in the same store-bought dish.
Lil Brooker: Yeah, I've heard of Monsanto. Worked at the pesticide place for 2 years, PMRA, scary, very scary.
Just my 2 cents,
MF | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 5:32:49 PM | "Cow's milk (that old regular stuff) is for baby cows....not baby humans."
Study the subject and pasturization is the reason cows milk causes lactos issues. We still pasturize milk to stop a disease that hasn't been live for 60 years, will still think thinking it makes sense to destroy digestive enzymes in milk.
I only wish the average person had this knowledge, and was afraid to challenge big business. | |
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*Don*
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 5:43:27 PM |
Those who don't vaccinate their children are depending on everyone else to do so. Their children can remain disease free only because others do immunize themselves. That's a very selfish perspective. {msg. 8}
Ignoring my opinion of the judgmental nature of this statement, there is one flaw in this logic, Ms. Chopsticks. I can't quote figures, but say if there were 80% of people vaccinated against a particular disease and 20% not, then the disease would strike the 20% if the vaccination was truly effective against preventing the disease. To have any portion of this 20% non-vaccinated population not contract the disease would have to be from some other reason. To state that that reason was the vaccinated 80% is ridiculous. To say that a person's choice to not 'buy in to' the vaccination craze is a very selfish perspective, is a very selfish perspective in itself.
D | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 5:45:20 PM | What things did you grow up with that isn't practiced today but you survived just fine...?
Umm how about some common sense.. Our parents had it other wise we wouldn't be such good people that we have become today.
We didnt run to to doctor everytime we sneezed.
We ate hamburgers ( and none of this 90 or 80 % lean stuff either)that were cooked over charcoal and some that really turned into it too..lol.
We drank from garden hoses and when mom made us something to drink it was made with real sugar not the substitutes we have today that are far worse.
We weren't allowed to play in the house unless it was raining cats and dogs and that was only if they caught us when we were playing in the rain or the snow for that matter.
While padding isnt such a bad thing today I never remember anyone wearing it when we rode our bikes or other homemade contraptions we rode... we fell scuffed our knees but we lived, and got back up and rode on with our own new badges of honor and holy jeans. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 5:53:46 PM | Before there was today, there was an environment that didn't kill you!!
Rise in Toddler Obesity Points to Genetic Damage from Pollutants
There has been a huge increase in obesity among toddlers and young children. No one disputes this, especially not me.
But what is disturbing is that the blame for this disturbing phenomenon has been placed on the children's parents not where it belongs: on the industrial polluters who have filled our air, water, and food supply with chemicals that we know disrupt the genes of developing fetuses.
Pregnant women drink tap water that contains detectable amounts of SSRI antidepressants, which are well known to cause endocrine disruptions leading to obesity. They eat food from cans lined in bisphenol A, known to cause obesity in animals exposed to it as fetuses. They breathe air filled with chemical breakdown products from factories. They eat vegetables imported from third world countries grown with endocrine disrupting pesticides.
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But as so many of us with diabetes have learned, when metabolic regulatory systems are not working properly, one of the first symptoms is abnormal appetite. And this kind of metabolic dysregulation, apparently from birth onward, is exactly which is what we are seeing in the 20% of four year old children found to be obese. It is also why were are seeing an increasing number of young children being diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes before age 6 though we know that it takes a decade or more for adults to develop the kind of diabetes associated with obesity. These children are not getting diabetes because they are making poor choices. They are developing diabetes (and the obesity that comes along with the rampant hunger associated with metabolic failure) because they are being born with genetic damage.
http://diabetesupdate.blogspot.com/2009/04/rise-in-toddler-obesity-points-to.html | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 5:59:46 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...................................
There are *no* facts that prove.. beyond a shadow of a doubt.. that any immunization shot has caused any disease or side effect that's more detrimental to a childs health.. to deter anyone from getting their childs immunization shots.. other than those children that are proven intolerant due to allergies of the ingredients that make up the chemical compound of the shot. In my children's days.. that would be a severe allergy to eggs.
Whatever diseases the immunization shots are for.. make coming in contact and getting the disease.. or getting the disease genetically or predisposed.. a much milder case. These shots are not necessarily to completely dispose of the disease for/inside the individual.. or the disease itself. It's to make one's immune system build up a tolerance to the disease.
Therefore.. the diseases still exist.. and without immunizations.. anyone at all mildly susceptible may get those diseases.. and.. pass them on to others.
We are now seeing a rise in tuberculosis for the first time in decades.. as there are those that have become.. anti-immunization.. and decide *not* to get their kids immunized.
I think there are too many of us that have seen first hand.. the power of how well immunizations have worked.. as we've all seen the sharp decline of those infected with the disease of polio. Then.. the number of those with the diseases such as measles.. mumps.. and rubella have subsided to below (up to) just 10 reports a year. Before immunizations.. these highly infectious diseases were rampant.. and possibly lethal.
I would want absolute proof that those shots are the "cause" of other diseases or afflictions.. before NOT getting my child immunized. My children were all immunized.. as was I.. and we never had any problems with any side-effects making for any permanent afflictions or diseases what-so-ever.
I'll leave the new epidemically proportioned anomalies of side effects and permanent afflictions or diseases.. up to the geneticists.
I believe that "prehaps" there's some sort of interaction between the ingredients in the shots.. and the genetic make-up of the children being born today. A form of pesticides.. or some sort of chemical compound that's becoming a part of our children's DNA through our ingestations in utero.. making our children unable to utilize the immunization shots for their betterment after birth.
Then again.. immunization shots may not be any part of the problem with these children's diseases and afflictions what-so-ever. It may just be.. coincidental.
It could even very well be the new baby formulas (I also breastfed my children).. or the chemicals in the foods we're eating.. or.............. the list I'm sure.. is endless.
I'm quite sure our medical research labs are working round the clock on trying to pinpoint the cause.. or causes.. of this/these anomalies that are making for our latest children's epidemics.
Before there was formula.. there was milk. Before there were immunizations.. there were epidemic proportions of infectious *deadly* diseases. Before there was organic farming.. now there are pesticides.. and.. we are going back.. to the organic ways of growing our food resources. Before there were horses and their manure was used to fertilize our crops.. and now there are cars/trucks/suvs/planes/trains/space shuttles/rockets that pollute our air. Before there were small family owned and operated businesses and farms.. now there are major industries/corporations/farms.. also to pollute our air and water. JMO | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 6:15:47 PM | "There are *no* facts that prove.. beyond a shadow of a doubt.. that any immunization shot has caused any disease or side effect that's more detrimental to a childs health"
Sad if anyone really believes that.
"Before there were immunizations.. there were epidemic proportions of infectious *deadly* diseases"
And today there isn't, so why keep vaccinating? | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 6:56:48 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^....................................
"There are *no* facts that prove.. beyond a shadow of a doubt.. that any immunization shot has caused any disease or side effect that's more detrimental to a childs health"
""Sad if anyone really believes that.""
Show me the proof then Moraima. I'd love to see otherwise.
If there was absolute proof.. there would be no other choice.. BUT.. to stop immunizarions. Therefore.. there is no proof as of yet.. that immunizations cause anything other than what their meant to do.. prevent.
I don't have to rely on what someone else has told me about this subject.. friends and/or what-have-you.. I have first hand knowledge. My own children have been vaccinated.. as I have been vaccinated.. and as many countless others have been vaccinated for decades now.
Those that have chosen NOT to vaccinate.. are finding out now.. that the diseases themselves didn't just die off.. but were thwarted by those vaccinations. Now.. those that weren't vaccinated.. are getting those diseases that many thought were a thing of the past.. and for the most part.. were.. thanks to those vaccinations.. and those that got those vaccinations. That's why continuation of the vaccinations.. or immunizations.. are impervious to all of us.
History repeats itself. Infectious diseases become epidemics.. and/or plagues.
Going backward isn't the way to thwart disease.. but.. to go forward.. with better and more sophisticated medical technology.JMO | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 7:23:29 PM | And not only did we eat our fair share of dirt, we washed it down with the garden hose! We were far too busy playing outside to run in for a drink Yes...we did that all the time!
Also ate icicles that hung off our roof, walked to the parks, community swimming pool, and sold Girl scout cookies door to door. ( I know...it might be more dangerous now...I think...or maybe we did not know better)
Speaking of door to door....on Halloween we would stay out till 9:30- 10:00 trick or treating at any house that still had lights on then come home and eat all we wanted...even if it lasted all week, that would be all the goodies we would pig out on for months, or till our birthday or holiday....and burn it off each day by just playing.
***It is an interesting discussion going on concerning immunizations! I thought that if we did not keep up with the shots for measles, polio and diphtheria, it would come back. (?)
But I will keep reading all your input on this subject. I am interested!*** | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 7:26:32 PM | Hello..... I had allergies when I was a child and I am 57. Allergies run in my family - it's got nothing to do with vaccinations.
Blaming allergies on immunization shots is a little out there to say the least. Without polio vaccinations, there would be thousands more deaths ,or crippling of young adults. Growing up I saw what happened to the children who didn't have access to vaccinations - I would not like to see children go through some of those diseases again. | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 7:40:24 PM | "There are *no* facts that prove
Exactly…. But it goes both ways. If you don’t believe me, consult some geneticists, some microbiologists, heck ask the evolutionists. What would three generations of assaulting the same gene do to a person?
You say
I would want absolute proof that those shots are the "cause" of other diseases or afflictions
I say:
I want proof that those shots are [bold] NOT [/bold] the “cause” of other disease.
Edit: can someone message me about why my effort to bold didn't work. smiles | |
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| Before there was Formula...there was Milk!
Posted: 4/12/2009 8:07:39 PM |
Growing up I saw what happened to the children who didn't have access to vaccinations - I would not like to see children go through some of those diseases again.
It's a gamble. I'm convinced that some children have reactions to vaccinations leaving them with conditions such as autism. However, some of these diseases that we vaccinate against are life threatening and life altering.
I grew up in a major city, lining up in school crying getting vaccinated with a dull needle, used over and over again for polio. I now live in an area that was behind the times. Children here didn't seem to get vaccinated in a timely fashion and you can see the results - several adults in my age group are gimps. I had one schoolmate whose family emigrated from Europe and her face was badly scarred from smallpox.
I had my children vaccinated, fully aware that the consequences could be tragic, but equally aware that not to do so, could also be tragic. Did it with a prayer. | |
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