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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 10:01:11 AM | Just wondering what fellow Albertans think about some of the cutbacks to AHC ... and if most people think that sex changes should/shouldn't be dropped? (Chiropractic services was another to be axed right away ... and I believe about 30 more services are on the chopping block).
(Gee, isn't it great that Alberta was good enough to drop the AHC fees ??) | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 10:10:38 AM | | This is an operation performed because of personal choice, not for medical reasons so for that reason alone, I don't think it should be covered under Alberta Health Care. It constitutes as cosmetic and therefore, if you want it, you should have to pay for it the same way someone who wants bigger boobs or less love handles would. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 10:52:28 AM | Of course it should be covered. It's medically necessary for those who have been born transgendered. It's not like someone would choose to change gender on a whim - it isn't like a nose job or breast augmentation. These people are in the wrong body and they need the help to change that. The gender reassignment surgery is just the last step on a long and very painful journey and to leave people hanging without it is not compassionate at all. Elective surgeries like rhinoplasty and breast augmentation are purely personal choice (unless it's reconstruction after cancer surgery or catastrophic accident) and as such it's up to the individual's wallet whether they are going to get surgery or not.
being transgendered isn't a 'lifestyle choice'. It's a horrible condition that I wouldn't wish on anyone. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 11:44:59 AM | ^^ Absolutely. Gender reassignment surgery is NOT for cosmetic purposes or a lifestyle choice. Although it's difficult for us that aren't transgendered to understand the condition, it is a recognized medical disorder. From what I understand, the government will only change their decision if they get a big enough public outcry.
It doesn't make sense when you consider that abortions are covered and that IS a choice and very rarely, a medically required procedure. I don't know if that is one of the 30 services on the chopping block ? but I doubt it. (I'm really on holiday this week - I'm not even tuning in much to the news. lol) | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 12:54:53 PM | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think gender reassignment surgeries should be covered. And I wish they would bring back chiropractic, its really a drain on my wallet now to have spinal adjustments.
And as one poster stated, they should cover abortions too unless she wants to take in a bunch of unwanted foster children. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 2:29:05 PM | I agree that this should be covered, but it shouldn't be an easy process. They need to make sure individuals wanting this surgery are really ready for it, especially mentally.
Did you guys know that Alberta is the only province to cover weight loss surgery? I fully support the way our province does it, but its interesting that they still cover that and don't cover chiropractors anymore. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 3:43:57 PM | | Not sure why the chiropractors are not going to be covered, they have to take an extra year of school after getting their MD. They have made me walk more than once and will realy hurt the wallet if they are not covered. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 4:12:31 PM | pfft as if. hey wed all like free money ,how come we are able to give it away to people who arent even sure of what sex they are opting to be
the fact of the matter is , if your born ith a penis, your amale, if you have a vagina , your a female, whatever screwed up your head to make you think otherwise is contrary to the reality , if you still cant understand it , look donw , then say this, i have a penis , therefore ima male, and act accordingly, if you look down and dont see a penis, then you areprobably a female , act accoringly
Gender reassignment surgery is NOT for cosmetic purposes or a lifestyle choice. Although it's difficult for us that aren't transgendered to understand the condition, it is a recognized medical disorder
recognized by whom? psychologists who are making a buck off it ? dorctors who are treating these people like guinea pigs and lopping off their organs.. etc
and im sorry to say that, having a willy removed or stitched on, is purely for cosmetic purposes , how on earth could it be rationalized as anything but that?
its difficult for us that arent transgendered to understand? well obviously, that same argument could be used to defend anything, from murderers to religious zealots , the very nature of the comment imposes rights to contrariness. which isnt justification for the majority of non transgendered people to PAY to get these peoples genitals ripped off
sorry, but if they wish to be recognized as a group , then i say let them organize and raise money the same way other groups do , by harassing people via the phones .
no friggin way should it be the taxpayers responsibility to pay for their fantasy ideas.
abortions are a little different, the government sells the dead babies stem cells which scores the gov a hefty chunk of change, they are only too happy to pay for some poor girls mistake and then profit by the destruction of a fetus
if they could make money selling off the removed willies, theyd be doing the transgender jobs for free | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 5:18:03 PM | I see you don't know how to research issues trubblemaker.
Here's some info for ya:
The terms "transsexualism", "dual-role transvestism", "gender identity disorder in adolescents or adults" and "gender identity disorder not otherwise specified" are listed as such in the International Statistical Classification of Diseases (ICD) or the American Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) under codes F64.0, F64.1, 302.85 and 302.6 respectively.[61] | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 5:31:03 PM | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I believe that before one goes through transgender surgery, they are counselled and assume that role and/or the tendencies for at least 2 years before they are approved for the proceedure. I may be wrong so perhaps a person who has gone that road can confirm those facts.....?
As far as the surgery, I don't think anyone would blindly go through those proceedures just to have a "penis sewn on" or to have a "willy removed" as those surgeries are extremely painful and the recovery process extensive.
I hope they bring back chiropractic because I know that they do study an extra year for their degree, plus they are quite knowlegeable in alternative therapies and getting the body to heal itself.
As far as abortions are concerned, that is another matter in itself but what it is NOT is the paying of:
some poor girls mistake and then profit by the destruction of a fetus Women don't get pregnant by themselves. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 5:32:16 PM | along with numerous other enabling mental problems for instance. odd add and the list could go on forever, funny how those disorders were usually summed up as hyperactivity , and prior to that, being a normal kid
as you stated its a MENTAL DISORDER not a genitalia disorder, so therefore,cutting off organs isnt going to help anyone itll just physically scar and mutilate them.
give em more shrinks and maybe a book about genders,
my being able to research some twisted mental issue isnt a point of discussion tho is it , the point of the discussion is , why should we as taxpayers fund wackos that want to mutilate themselves?
i say mutilate yourself on your own dime, not mine.
an exacto knife is cheap , just make sure you cauterize it after your done
how precisely getting your willy cut off(, and a getting the shaft flesh rammed up inside you as the dr digs out a fake vaginal hole) fixxes these peoples "mental" disorder is beyond me and most likely its just another screwed up attempt at pacifying the mentally disturbed.
personally i think they should look into opening up some of them assylums they used to have,this way we can protect these people from within a padded cell until with enuf ect and drugs they may eventually see the reality
hell .id love to have an 18 inch willy , not for cosmetic reasons, but because then i could more easily carry my towels around and the odd donut. i wonder if the gov will pay for me to get that done
itd even help me walk if i everlost a leg. i mean , sure id walk with a bit of a limp , but at least id have a ready made cane eh lol
if the mentally ill are allowed to bleed cash from the taxpayers , how come the actual taxpayers cant get equal treatments.
sure are alot of peoplewith their hands out for money they havent earned
all basedon mental issues
and since when does a society cough up cash and give in to the mentally ill?we dont give money to terrorists, and most of them are atleast sane
some poor girls mistake and then profit by the destruction of a fetus
. Women don't get pregnant by themselves.
well no kidding, i really wasnt into typing out an entire paragraph on how people make babies tho
i kinda assumed the reader would get the gist of it
however, common logic would lead one to assume that "since the girl" is the one having the abortion, it would therefore be an act on HER" part so therefore mentioning the guy would be irrelevant,
since in this society, the man doesnt have any right or say in the matter , because we all know that women are downtrodden and its their body blah blah blah(hopefully that made the feminists happy
but thats a different thread i believe | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 5:33:25 PM | | have to agree with ya trubble, if they want a willie wacked off or a snap on tool or addacocktome then they should pay for it themselves, we might help them out with seeing a shrink to see what is wrong with their big head | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 5:41:18 PM | So, if I went in and said that I am mentally traumatized because I don't have bigger boobs, or have smaller thighs, or a tight tummy, and it's causing me severe psychological issues, I'd get a body do over for free??
Come on, seriously. If you were born with the wrong parts, there's nothing saying you need to get parts cut off and molded into something else. Go get counselling and learn how to deal with your issues. How is your****being cut off to turn yourself into a woman medically necessary??
The costs associated with gender reassignment are ridiculous, why should the taxpayer have to cover the costs of that, when someone like you or I cant even get a back adjustment by a chiropractor covered??
My son had really, really bad warts on his knees, we ended up having to get them treated by a dermatologist because they weren't covered under health care.... we had to PAY for simple wart treatments, yet we're expected to fork over our tax $$$ so someone can change sex???
Unfrigginreal!! | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 5:43:32 PM | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmmm, sounds like you have a bit of a uterus jealousy thing going eh?
since in this society, the man doesnt have any right or say in the matter , because we all know that women are downtrodden and its their body blah blah blah(hopefully that made the feminists happy | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 5:51:12 PM | So, if I went in and said that I am mentally traumatized because I don't have bigger boobs, or have smaller thighs, or a tight tummy, and it's causing me severe psychological issues, I'd get a body do over for free??
Buckling under to societal pressure to have larger breasts is hardly the same thing as being transgendered, but I do hope you get some assistance for your self-esteem. That help is available under AHC, just a long waiting list. I fail to see how such a sarcastic comment adds anything useful to the debate but I suppose that is the weapon of choice of the narrow minded and uninformed. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 5:57:07 PM | oh please. Give me a break. My self esteem is perfectly fine.
I was merely making a point that ANYONE can claim that they are psychologically traumatized by some part of their body and play on it until they find someone who deems it medically necessary to get the item 'fixed' for the mental well being of the patient. It could be bigger boobs, it could be a smaller nose, it could be to get rid of jowls, it could be anything.
I am far from narrow minded, I simply don't see why us, as taxpayers, should have to pay for someone to get a sex change when there are other procedures that many more people could benefit from that are not covered. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 6:05:50 PM |
abortions are a little different, the government sells the dead babies stem cells which scores the gov a hefty chunk of change, they are only too happy to pay for some poor girls mistake and then profit by the destruction of a fetus
I read an article recently that they are asking the mothers of live births if they will donate the placenta for stem cell research. I can imagine that this will outweigh aborted fetuses. I wish women wouldn't abort their children just because they don't want them. There are so many other people that do want them. This is something that the woman should pay for. Keep this in context of what they are and aren't covering now.
Health care should be tops in Alberta, we've got the buildings, we've got the beds. All they have to do is hire back to the number of nurses that we had before they did the budget that cut the number of nurses down.
The budget changes this time don't make sense. Next election help change that, ask the important questions about our health care systems. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 6:23:05 PM | Alli-Son:
If you were looking for an actual thoughtful debate, you came to the wrong forum. Sarcasm and judgements? YOU BETCHA. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 6:26:49 PM | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You know dusty766, some women aren't meant to carry children, never mind be a mother, and a few examples of those kind of women would be the drug and alcohol addicted, the failed birth control users, the very young, the mentally challenged, or an older woman who risks having a deformed child. Who would want to adopt from one of these women? | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 6:31:53 PM | I totally get that people don't want to pay for sex change operations. I mean, there are more pressing issues and only so much money to go around. But I just don't understand how people who aren't MD's can pretend to have anything more than a vague idea of the psychology or physiology of being transgendered. This has to be the pinnacle of all ignorance.
"the fact of the matter is , if your born ith a penis, your amale, if you have a vagina , your a female, whatever screwed up your head to make you think otherwise is contrary to the reality , if you still cant understand it , look donw , then say this, i have a penis , therefore ima male, and act accordingly, if you look down and dont see a penis, then you areprobably a female , act accoringly" Dr. Trubble
That's awesome. I'm not a doctor but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
"personally i think they should look into opening up some of them assylums they used to have,this way we can protect these people from within a padded cell until with enuf ect and drugs they may eventually see the reality"
Well, you definitely put the ass in "assylum". | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 6:50:15 PM |
I read an article recently that they are asking the mothers of live births if they will donate the placenta for stem cell research.
They not only will use the stem cells for research but for transplant in cancer patients like myself who perhaps will benefit from a stem cell transplant some time down the road in my treatment.
Health care should be tops in Alberta, we've got the buildings, we've got the beds. All they have to do is hire back to the number of nurses that we had before they did the budget that cut the number of nurses down.
I can't argue that health care should be tops however I beg to differ that Alberta has the buildings and the beds available. From someone who spent a lot of time in and out of the hospital recently, I can tell you this is simply not the case. I can speak first-hand that the Tom Baker Cancer Centre in Calgary is running at capacity and is stretched to the limit for space and beds to provide optimum care to its patients.
I can only speak from my experience but I can say that, during my hospital stays/visits, the health care system did not appear to have a lack of nurses and/or nursing staff. | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 6:51:13 PM |
Health care should be tops in Alberta, we've got the buildings, we've got the beds. All they have to do is hire back to the number of nurses that we had before they did the budget that cut the number of nurses down.
thats a smarter idea, id rather see my tax dollars go towards hiring more nurses and manning more walk in clinics to help the people who are in genuine need , rather than wackos who want to cut off their genitals.
one lil comment to the flamer.................. cutting off your willy doesnt make you a different gender, in case you cant get your lil brain around the concept, it merely makes you a weenerless man. so enabling and coddling these "mentally ill people isnt actually helping them in any way shape or form. at least when they were in assylums and committed , they could easily be treated in an environment suited to their disabilities.
in order to actually change gender, youd need to change some sort of chromosomes and associated other things.
so regardless of your moronic attempt to insult(as you seem prone to try to do)you are welcome to your opinion ,as small as it may be.
and ,youll have to try harder to insult me, ive been called many things worse than an ass smart guy | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 6:52:31 PM |
I was merely making a point that ANYONE can claim that they are psychologically traumatized by some part of their body
To add insult to injury you have to explain your attempt at sarcasm, thereby demonstrating that you somehow feel superior to those of us who don't agree with your opinion. If you truly had a healthy self-esteem you wouldn't rely on such tactics to try and make a point; you would have some logic to back it up and be able to communicate that without becoming sarcastic.
OT: It would be interesting to find out what exactly is covered under AHC and what isn't. Does anyone know if such a list is available to the public? | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 6:56:56 PM | ^^^^ oh wahh . cmon , she has as much right to ask for giant hooters , at least she is a genuine female, and maybe she does require them ,who are you to sit and judge her for the exact thing she has judged these mentally ill people for?
if they can expect us non trannies to foot the bills for their surgeries, ho come we cant expect the exact same treatment , when its technically OUR HEALTHCARE not mentally ill peoples gender treatment care center
the very term health care.should denote its use, health being paramount. you yourself said it was a mental disorder, so therefore these peoples mental issues should be handled by shrinks and the like. not surgeons
Health care should be tops in Alberta, we've got the buildings, we've got the beds. All they have to do is hire back to the number of nurses that we had before they did the budget that cut the number of nurses down.
thats a smarter idea, id rather see my tax dollars go towards hiring more nurses and manning more walk in clinics to help the people who are in genuine need , rather than wackos who want to cut off their genitals.
one lil comment to the flamer.................. cutting off your willy doesnt make you a different gender, in case you cant get your lil brain around the concept, it merely makes you a weenerless man. so enabling and coddling these "mentally ill people isnt actually helping them in any way shape or form. at least when they were in assylums and committed , they could easily be treated in an environment suited to their disabilities.
in order to actually change gender, youd need to change some sort of chromosomes and associated other things.
so regardless of your moronic attempt to insult(as you seem prone to try to do)you are welcome to your opinion ,as small as it may be.
and ,youll have to try harder to insult me, ive been called many things worse than an ass smart guy
Hmmm, sounds like you have a bit of a uterus jealousy thing going eh?
actually no . i merely speak the truth. in this country if a man and a woman have sex and she gets pregnant, the woman alonecan take off , kill the fetus, and she requires no consent or aggreement from the other notable person in the equation.
this has nothing to do with jealousy, it has to do with unfair unequal treatment men recieve in this country
if you want to kill fetusses then go for it , as long as i had no part in the procreation of the fetus i dont deserve a say in it,however, if i did, then i should be given equal rights as to the treatment and /or mistreatment of the fetus | |
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| Should AHC cover sex changes?
Posted: 4/16/2009 7:15:00 PM |
OT: It would be interesting to find out what exactly is covered under AHC and what isn't. Does anyone know if such a list is available to the public?
I would imagine that if you went to the AHC site and searched around on it, you would find a list of insured services as well as a list of those services which are not covered. It may take a bit of time and a bit of digging but I'm sure the info is there. | |
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