| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/26/2009 6:11:06 PM | Swine Flu has reached BC. There are 2 cases in British Columbia. Both victims are men and not in hospital. They both travelled to Mexico. 4 students in Nova Scotia have come down with mild cases of the Swine Flu Virus. No travel advisories have been announced.
In the USA, they are planning for more cases. Cases have even been found as far as New Zealand. This is supposedly a serious signal global sign. Mexico City is the epicentre and the streets are bare.
The swine flu is a virus that transmits from pigs to people. Outside of Mexico no deaths have been confirmed. The illness is more severe in Mexico which has poor air quality.
Wash your hands with soap and keeps your hands away from your nose and eyes. Do not rub your eyes.
Are you concerned? Do you think you will be going to Mexico soon? Personally, I would stay away.
Thoughts. | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/26/2009 6:23:28 PM | I've been saying for years that I would never go to Mexico - ever. This doesn't change the fact, or even make me more concrete in that opinion.
Am I concerned? No. SARS was supposed to be a pandemic. The avian bird flu is/was supposed to be a pandemic. The swine flu will most likely not be any different. Although, it is a hybrid virus: swine flu, people flu, and avian flu making up it's genetic make up, apparently.
All the same, I'm not concerned. Most things like this are blown massively out of proportion by the media in a race to get ratings and spread hysteria. What will be, will be. No sense fretting about it. | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/26/2009 6:39:49 PM | is the sky falling too??? 
Sorry babes, but panic gets the ball rolling, tactic seen too many times over in history...
Look into the World Bank, loaning money to Mexico.... do some research into the World Bank and hop over to the threads about 2012, ufo's, george noory for Prime Minister etc etc etc....
washing my hands after posting... see I did my part   | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/26/2009 8:24:26 PM | I am not really afraid of a pandemic or becoming really ill myself, but the idea of pandemic is interesting to me. It could be morbid fascination.
At the same time, the world is overpopulated and really dirty in some places. It is amazing that there is not some sort of pandemic.
Also, there are far too many people in parts of the world. The earth cannot sustain us all. I am not sure but I think we need to lose several thousand people. I would prefer nature to step in than a war.
Please note: This is not my area of expertise and I would be really happy to be wrong about this for obvious reasons. | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/26/2009 8:32:42 PM |
I'll feast on my lentils
Until the cupboards are bare.
So that's where the nick came from?
| |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/26/2009 8:52:04 PM |
At the same time, the world is overpopulated and really dirty in some places. It is amazing that there is not some sort of pandemic. There is and it is killing millions, just not right under your nose, so it’s easy and convenient to forget about the millions that are suffer a long, slow and painful death. It’s called AIDS. Also, there are far too many people in parts of the world. The earth cannot sustain us all. I am not sure but I think we need to lose several thousand people. I would prefer nature to step in than a war. What a wonderful and ignorant world we live in when we can intellectualise something like this in a very detached and remote way and forget the majority of the world’s population have to live daily with both pandemics and war? It is not a parlour game or a choice for them. What a luxury to be able to discuss this in such a way that we can imagine and play God.  | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/26/2009 9:01:19 PM | I actually did think of AIDs. It is just in this part of the world, people are doing better with it. Don't be angry. I am not suggesting that I am not willing to go. I am saddened by it. But still - sorry - pandemics interest me.
I am not the only one who suggested that the world is overpopulated and that nature needs to reestablish a balance. George Orwell once said that one of the ultimate horror would be half of the world starving while the other half watches on TV. The only thing is more than half the world is starving and a smaller percentage is watching.
Do you think if I called myself AfrikaXav it would be easier for me to write about these things?
Maybe it easier to talk about lentils and flatulence. What do you think? | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/26/2009 9:21:56 PM | She usually has a way a balancing things accordingly,
we stripped her bare and in some places can bleed no more,
for a species where take, take, take becomes the norm.
Only when things are darkest and at the end
do we struggle with decisions made long ago,
the hindsight of reap and sow.
If HIV mutated and became the innocent cold,
is this her plan, pandemic, to take hold?
Forget megatsunamis, pole shifts,
global warning, solar flares and
calandars ending....
It's the swine flu virus 'they' are sending.
  | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/26/2009 9:35:48 PM | "I am not suggesting that I am not willing to go."
Go where?
"George Orwell once said that one of the ultimate horror would be half of the world starving while the other half watches on TV. The only thing is more than half the world is starving and a smaller percentage is watching."
George was right. The only problem is the smaller percentage that are watching have become so dumned down they can no longer tell the difference between real drama and reality shows. Even the news is considered infotainment.
"Do you think if I called myself AfrikaXav it would be easier for me to write about these things?"
Not at all. Neither name changing nor name calling can challenge ignorance, but being aware on what is happening in the rest of the world and reading and following world news on TV can, and it can certainly deepen the levels of the discussion.
"Maybe it easier to talk about lentils and flatulence. What do you think? "
Both lentils and flatulance have their place. | |
|
| |
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/26/2009 11:14:54 PM |
What a wonderful and ignorant world we live in when we can intellectualise something like this in a very detached and remote way and forget the majority of the world’s population have to live daily with both pandemics and war? It is not a parlour game or a choice for them. What a luxury to be able to discuss this in such a way that we can imagine and play God.
George was right. The only problem is the smaller percentage that are watching have become so dumned down they can no longer tell the difference between real drama and reality shows. Even the news is considered infotainment.
ignorance, arrogance, decadence and many more descriptive attributes come to mind describing much of a sheltered and over protected society who seems to sport the all important preoccupation with the thought "why is there fluff in my naval ? " rather than blowing the fluff out of their brains.
Swine Flu is an infectious disease that has been around and known for centuries, though as the name suggests predominantly found in pigs, it can be transmitted to people. That is one of the reasons why old religions like Judaism and Islam have forbidden the consumption of pork.
Wiki provides some good basic information for those really concerned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_Flu | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/26/2009 11:15:16 PM | | hey whatever drives the price of cattle up works for me!!!! Don't eat the pig!!! | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 7:12:03 AM | Yes be precautionary, but seriously the US media is hyping it sooooo bad right now. I turned on my TV this morning and for 3.5 hours straight that is all the US news channel talked about and there wasn't even any reported cases anywhere near the city of the station.
Must be a slow news day....... | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 9:40:02 AM | The mortality rate so far for this flu seems to be around 7%. That's high as diseases go, but not in the potentially-world-ending category. It ranks more with malaria and other things that are only likely to kill you if you wait too long to see a doctor. So far I don't plan to change my routine at all because of it. Most of the places I go for lunch are staffed by Mexicans. I should probably hope none of their family are visiting this week, but I'm not too worried. :)
On the other hand, I might die of a cerebral hemorrhage from some of the jaw-dropping misreasoning that swirls up every time there's a disease outbreak...
Am I concerned? No. SARS was supposed to be a pandemic. The avian bird flu is/was supposed to be a pandemic. The swine flu will most likely not be any different.
Hm... We could rephrase this as "We haven't died of any these outbreaks yet, so we're not likely to." Fair enough?
Compare that with ... "We haven't died of cancer or old age or accidents yet, so we're not likely to." See the problem?
In fact, tremendous huge numbers of people have died from disease pandemics in the past and are dying from them now. We just don't notice them because they're not us or our neighbours or friends. It's a total illusion that we are safe. The reality is that with growing numbers of people and easier travel worldwide, it is easier and easier all the time for a killer disease to spread fast - and the rich countries that have all the air travel hubs are the places most exposed. Vancouver is in the second rank of such places, after really big hubs like London or Paris or Tokyo.
Sorry babes, but panic gets the ball rolling, tactic seen too many times over in history...
Gets the ball rolling for what? Do you think this is some sort of conspiracy to bankrupt Mexico? 
I must admit, I do wonder why people leap on these flu outbreaks to shove more bloody flu shots down our throat. The medical excuses they present don't really hold up so I smell some commercial or political motive behind it somewhere.
SARS could have been much more destructive than it was. We dodged a bullet with it because a few officials in the right places grew concerned fast and pushed the buttons to mobilize people against it - and while nobody would want to recommend panic as a disease control measure, it probably did help that people panicked and emptied the streets in Hong Kong and other worst-hit places.
This is the problem with precautions; if you take them at the right time you won't often see proof you were right. They're still a good idea and it's still the right thing to be concerned and pay attention to new disease outbreaks.
Also, there are far too many people in parts of the world. The earth cannot sustain us all. I am not sure but I think we need to lose several thousand people. I would prefer nature to step in than a war.
Far too many people in Europe, or downtown Vancouver or the eastern US? Those are among the most densely-populated places in the world. I'll guess that isn't what you meant, though... Usually people have this picture in mind when they say these things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_by_population_density.svg
But they should really be looking at this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_density.png
In any case.... it's one thing to observe that humanity is probably setting itself up for a calamitous population decline. It's quite another to cheer it on by saying things like "we need to lose people." This grinds my gears, and I did actually pause to think why, since on the surface it looks like a simple harsh but practical observation. Then I read on and it becomes clear ...
I am not the only one who suggested that the world is overpopulated and that nature needs to reestablish a balance.
What balance? There has never in history or pre-history been a balance to re-establish. The earth didn't even manage to stay stable when it was covered with glaciers and the only life forms were bacteria.
That's the problem with this social darwinist-type thinking. It looks scientific and reasonable but it's actually nothing of the sort, and tends to reveal some rather dismaying attitudes and assumptions in its proponents. | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 9:48:25 AM | As the flu virus locks on to receptors in the nose a hoped for benefit of this virus is we'll see less people picking their noses in public. 
Going to wash my hands now... | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 9:54:51 AM | | I am not a big fan of any animal that does not have the good sense to avoid rooting around in it's own feces. | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 9:55:18 AM | | I wonder what the terror level is today??? Or should we be concerned about measels too??? Hey i gotta an idea! Lets turn off our tv's and go play in the real world that is just outside your door!!! | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 10:03:59 AM | No biggie if you 'Pick'...just don't 'Flick'!
use a tissue to blow....cover your face... wash your hands...wash your hands and for gosh sakes.... WASH YOUR FREAKIN HANDS!
I tend not to shake hands with people I don't know....I just smile and acknowledge them. Hard for someone like me who is a comsumate hugger...lol
When I am sick I make sure not to shake hands with people, I politely explain to them that I am sick and do not want to spread the 'love'...they are appreciative.
as for travel to Mexico... I don't particularily like Mexico....not seen a lot of it... I am not one to go to a far off place to work on my tan. If I want to visit a developing country with great beaches and tropical heat I will visit my family in the Caribbean.
Enough bugs and virus down there to kill me.
I was very surprised and happy to see that Health Canada is on top of this thing, that we are prepared with some 50 Million vaccines, with an additional 12 Million vaccines in reserve.
Glad that the federal government are being proactive and not just ignoring this newest pandemic until it is too late....and that they are keeping the public up to date on what is going on locally and world-wide.
I would like to see a ban on Canadians travelling to Mexico for a week.
I know that would cripple tourism and hurt airlines, but that is why they carry insurance.
Mexican schools are closing tommorow for a week so to slow down the spread of the virus. | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 10:06:06 AM | Interestingly enough, there are only two animals who can contract, mutate and transfer viruses to humans, they are swine and avian.
The swine flu is not contracted by eating pork, it is a virus that has gone from swine to human. This in and of itself does not cause a huge concern, it is when it goes from human to human that there is considerable concern of disease outbreak. The reason many of these diseases are first noticed in countries like Asia and Mexico is due to the often very close proximity people live with their animals. In some of these areas it is not unusual for them to share living space. This of course increases the risk of passing viruses back and forth.
The second factor that has the WHO alerted is that the fatalities are occurring in previously healthy, young adults. Typically flu tends to take the weaker, young, elderly and immune compromised. It is concerning that people in the prime of their lives and in good health are succumbing.
Otherwise, everything that happens in this world is a media circus, from octomoms all the way down to disease outbreaks.
Although this will not change the way I live my day to day life, what the health organizations are hoping is that anyone, especially those who have recently travelled to Mexico or been in contact with someone recently returned, that come down with flu symptoms gets checked out. If the spread of this can be slowed, stopped etc. then the better off the majority are.
Pandemics have happened all through time, as a previous poster stated, they have also been responsible for seriously reducing the population. They used to be more confined because global travelling was nearly unheard of. Now in this day and age they can spread, they can spread very quickly and they can definitely impact the globe and not be confined to just one country.
Of interest to some:
http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/
| |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 10:22:19 AM | | I hate that everyone is sooo wrapped up in what is going on in any other country but our own. So mexicans are dying and the prices of taco's are going to sky rocket. Whoopdy dooo! How about the jobles rate in your city and what is going on to help curb the flux of local bussiness going under??? | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 10:27:19 AM | NOT TACOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does this mean I should not lean like a cholo anymore?
and give up my Zoot Suit? | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 10:42:09 AM |
I hate that everyone is sooo wrapped up in what is going on in any other country but our own.
From what I have read it is now in our Country. People dying needlessly (can it be prevented?) anywhere should be a big deal.
as to our... Country's economic woes, I hope it is just a part of a cycle and that it will change for the better! Maybe we need to get rid of the almighty buck completely and go back to the barter and trade system, and helping our neighbours. | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 11:59:32 AM |
Gets the ball rolling for what? Do you think this is some sort of conspiracy to bankrupt Mexico?
The Hegelian dialectical formula: A (thesis) versus B (anti-thesis) equals C (synthesis)
sad to say, but the public has the"I don't know and I don't care", (fed to us AND Taught to our children) attitude and the bought off and controlled mainstream media feeding us senseless platitudes and placations... not a slow news day, just feeding the public what they want the public to know.
"There is no vaccine available to prevent the specific strain now being seen, he said. However, there are antiflu drugs that do work once someone is sick." said Dr. Richard Besser, acting director of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention' ---- "He said, the particular virus at issue had not been seen before, either in the United States nor Mexico."
There are several countries that are financially struggling and loans in billions from a monetary giant to banks that are feasibly unable to repay only worsens a situation in a cycle that Kondratieff and Schumpeter foresaw decades ago.
It's not just Mexico.... lil known error with Baxter... Czech newspapers are questioning whether the shocking discovery of vaccines contaminated with the deadly avian flu virus -- distributed to 18 countries by the American company Baxter -- were part of a conspiracy to provoke a pandemic. (reassortment... human error)(mercola.com article)
okay so let that one slide.... however....
- some scientists say the most recent global outbreak -- the 1977 Russian flu -- was started by a virus leaked from a laboratory.
- In 2006, for instance, it came out that the drug company Bayer sold millions of dollars worth of an injectable blood-clotting medicine to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, even though they knew it was tainted with the AIDS virus.
www.thenhf.com/vaccinations/vac_243.htm <-----80% reduction in world population? going to take a bit more than washing hands.... remember pandemics/stress lowers your immune system making those more vulnerable to infections.
should of just fed me calamari and told me to hush LOL.... | |
|
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 12:23:59 PM | ^^^
remember pandemics/stress lowers your immune system making those more vulnerable to infections.
Okay, now I'm getting stressed about this flu concern, but hope to find some way to ease the stress.
http://www.ehow.com/how_2110407_use-sex-reduce-stress.html
Step 1
Sex reduces stress through deep breathing and physical activity. So, if you’re feeling really stressed, you’ll want to be active in your sex play with your partner. Yes, people really do run around their bedrooms naked.
Step2
Sex reduces stress through massage and touch. Studies show that massage is a brilliant stress reducer because touch is beneficial to adults. So after that quick game of naked ‘catch me if you can’, give each other a massage for maximum stress relief.
Step3
Sex reduces stress by releasing feel-good hormones. These are what makes your whole body feel good and they don’t just go away when you’re done. These stress relieving hormones stick around a bit.
Step4
Sex reduces stress through intimacy. Emotional support with a partner is a wonderful way to boost self-confidence and relieve stress.
Step5
Remember that a healthy relationship is needed for a healthy sex life. While going out and picking up a different partner might get you some sexual exercise, having a healthy relationship will give you all of the benefits of stress relieving sex.
I wanna stay healthy!!  | |
|
VF102
|
Joined: 8/30/2008
Msg: 25 | |
| Swine Flu Outbreak
Posted: 4/27/2009 1:34:43 PM | 3 vials of bio-weapons material go missing from Fort Detrick , MD. Then magically this bug pops up in 2 Mexican cities and New Your City 2,000 miles away on the same day. 1+1=2.
Jason the Fed | |
|
Home
login 
