| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 6/30/2005 9:43:41 PM | | Now that the shoe is on the other foot and Canada can't be blamed for this one I'd just like to hear your thoughts on the case of the Texas mad cow and the relative silence from the beef producers of America.The howls of outrage from these same producers when Canada was to blame have been replaced by the sounds of silence.Thoughts? | |
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 6/30/2005 11:12:30 PM | My thoughts are....
The U.S goverment just put thier foot in thier mouth once again....Animals can get sick at anytime anywhere...its noones fault really..as always the U.S will remain silent on the matter becuase that would mean that its a problem...and everyone knows the U.S goverment is perfect.....
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 3:57:28 AM |
Animals can get sick at anytime anywhere...its noones fault really..as always the U.S will remain silent on the matter becuase that would mean that its a problem...and everyone knows the U.S goverment is perfect.....
Silent?!
Every knows What?!
This is kind of a weird thread... | |
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 5:30:08 AM | Spongiform Encephalopathy is a genetic disorder which scientists believe has been passed from generation to generation of cows via bone meal, which is made partly from carcasses of dead cattle who many times may died in the fiels from having suffered this disease.
It's occured in humans in Papua New Guinea where a form of the disease called "Kuru" was discovered ONLY among women of the tribes because a form of cannibalism was practiced where there was a ritual in which natives would eat dead ancestors and the women were the ones who got stuck with the brains part. This was one of the ways the cause for the disease was isolated.
In a case of mad cow disease, there are misshapened proteins called "prions" and some species have a genetic predisposition for their brain cells to mimic these cells, which causes them to die and creates holes of dead cells in the brains.
Because bone meal is used to feed just about all species of farm animals and even as fertilizer, prions may have infiltrated just about any and all forms of plant and animal life consumed by humans AND OTHER SPECIES.
Since the disease takes about ten years before creatures start showing symptoms of murmuring to themselves and walking (and then running) in circles until they collapse and drop dead, we actually don't know how many cattle or other species we consume are afflicted with this genetic disorder. A LARGE amount of autopsies would have to be performed in order to find this out because the average life span these days for chickens is about three months and cattle abit longer but certainly not as long as ten years.
Until we do this, we don't know how great the threat is. Many humans may become afflicted with this in the near future and it could take over like the bubonic plague.
Just another issue not being dealt with at economic crunch time...
Those human services expenses government has are just socialist programs and aren't nearly as important as war, yaknow? | |
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 8:15:08 AM | | I guess what the thread was on about was that when the states found the last case and it was found to have been from Canada,the border was shut down to Canadian exports into the states and is still shut app. a year later which has cost Canadian producers about 1 billion dollars.The border has stayed shut regardless of the strict safety measures in large part because of the American producers lobbying of the U.S. government.It's their competition ya know.Now that the shoe is on the other foot these same American producers are virtually silent.It just does'nt seem to be a problem anymore like it is when the known cow was from Canada.I did'nt think you would need a refresher on this bulldog . | |
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 8:31:44 AM | | To be perfectly honest, I'd prefer not to be getting beef from anywhere if there's the slightest chance that it may have the disease...Canada or otherwise. To be even more honest, I don't think the Canadian producers losing out should be the U.S.'s greatest concern here. We should be more worried about our own producers. | |
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 8:44:14 AM | TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST: Unless governments insist on letting some control groups of farm species live long enough to develop more identifiable symptoms and then perform autopsies on TENS OF THOUSANDS of them, we won't know how far it's spread until humans (who DO live long enough to die from this as a cause) are dropping like flies because it's going to be in everything we eat....
Do the math. | |
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 9:46:01 AM | herkimer: I think you're mising something here...
Don't we get parts of the central nervous system by eating meat? Are you trying to tell me there's no neurons from the central nervous system mixed in with hamburger?... ...or any other ground meats? How about bone meal given to plants? Don't they absorb DNA and genetic information from species they use for food? Do you know that eyes are parts of the cental nervous system? ... and nerves in the skin used to feel and cause hearts to pump and limbs to move?... attached to muscles?
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 10:02:56 AM | herkimer: no, no and no yourself.
from: http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/ansci/beef/as1206w.htm#How
"...How is BSE spread? There is still much debate in the scientific community regarding how BSE is spread. At the present time, BSE is thought to be spread in tissue from the central nervous system (brain, spinal cord) as well as distal ileum, some of which can be present in meat and bone meal. BSE is not spread by animal-to-animal contact. In other words, an animal infected with BSE cannot infect another animal with which it is penned or pastured. Little is known regarding the minimum amount of prion material that can cause an infection..."
and also:
"...What feeds have been banned by FDA? The following feeds cannot be fed to ruminant animal:
Ruminant meat and bone meal Blood meal and blood by-products Inspected meat products cooked and offered for human consumption and further heat processed including plate waste and food casings Poultry litter (because of the possibility of spilled feed which may contain ruminant meat and bone meal)..." | |
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 10:04:01 AM | | You Canadians don't want our filthy, blood-stained, oil soaked money, do you? That might taint your pure, innocent, virgin blood. You'll just have to deal with the fact that you're only exporting 85% of your goods to the US, instead of 86%. | |
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 10:28:21 AM | Mad cow disease is a real issue and it brings to life the greater issue of how we allow the beef industry to police itself.
Avoiding eating CNS related cuts seems to work fine. When you think of all the press this issue has gotten, not many people have actually contracted the disease. I think the number is less than 200 in the recent outbreak of the last number of years.
More people die from the flu and diarrhea (which are treatable) worldwide than mad cow, that it gets virtually no coverage.
Remember to cook your hamburger well and don't forget to wipe your az$$. | |
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 10:29:02 AM | As always it seems when the neighbours want to hold a friendly chat over the fence ugly words wind up getting tossed back and forth...
Why is it that no one feels that feeding an animal its brother or sister isn't offensive.
After all these animals are not trying to kill the weak within the herd...if one dies they walk around/ignore it. It was the brilliance of man and his quest for the almighty dollar that made him stand in the field, scratch his head and say "hey...what if I ground up poor Bessie here and feed her to the rest ot the herd...after all what will it hurt. And hey...maybe I can even save some money on grain!"
These animals are herbivors...not carnivors...
How the disease spread to humans was through this practise...that and the careless butchers at the processing plants that "nicked" the spinal cords and didn't discard the contaminated meats...
Just my 2 cents... | |
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 11:12:18 AM | | Another nice cut and paste job from google. as the first statement says...there is much debate within the scientific community. There never has been a case of BSE contracted by a human where the etiology of the disease is definitively known. It is normal in todays world to overreate. No one is willing to stick their necks out and say anything due to the fear of repercussions. As I earlier stated, dont eat brains or CNS tissue, yes one small study found things "consistent with" MSE in the stomach lining of ONE ANIMAL. Not a significant finding as I see it | |
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 11:58:55 AM | Another nice cut and paste job from google. as the first statement says...there is much debate within the scientific community.
Well Hermiker, what have you got that's better than what I got? *LMFAO* Your opinion? Do you work with this stuff? Do you have any connection to it? Anything that articulates a contrary opinion? You can always ask questions. The BIG question is: Do YOU have any contrary evidence to reason against the theories surrounding these observations?
Yes, it says there is much debate within the scientific community. It also says there is thought to be the stated cause. Now, do you know something we don't? or are you just blowing things out the wrong end? 
There never has been a case of BSE contracted by a human where the etiology of the disease is definitively known.
from:http://www.mapleleafweb.com/education/spotlight/issue_35/background_humans.html
"...Background on Mad Cow Disease in Humans What is the Human Form of Mad Cow Disease? The human form of Mad Cow disease is called Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD). As in the cattle form of the disease, scientists suspect that CJD is caused by abnormal protein in the brain. CDJ also results in damage to brain tissue, nervous system disorders, and is fatal.
What are the Different Types of CDJ? There are two types of CDJ: classical CDJ and variant CDJ.
Classical CDJ Classical CDJ has been present in human populations for many years. On average, one person in a million dies of CJD every year. Classical CJD tends to be transmitted only by contact with infected people’s brains. It is thought that classical CDJ cannot be contracted from animals. Variant CDJ Variant CDJ was discovered following the Mad Cow outbreak in Great Britain, and represents a different strain of the infection. Unlike classical CDJ, variant CDJ can be transmitted from animals to humans by ingesting cattle products infected with the Mad Cow disease. More information on CDJ
How is Variant CDJ Transmitted? Humans contract variant CDJ by ingesting cattle tissue that is infected with the Mad Cow disease. Risk of transmission depends on the cut of meat ingested. Concentration of the prion protein that causes Mad Cow and variant CDJ is highest in the brain and spinal cord of an infected cow. Whole cuts of meat without the bone (such as steaks and roast) provide a lower level of risk of potential Mad Cow contamination. Processed cow products (such a ground beef or burgers) may contain brain or spinal cord parts, and thus present a higher risk of contamination. Unlike other food-born pathogens, simply cooking the infected meat cannot kill Mad Cow. Milk and milk products from cows are not believed to pose any risk for transmitting Mad Cow disease to humans. Furthermore, there is yet no evidence that variant CDJ can be transmitted between humans by blood or through casual contact, such as kissing or sexual contact.
What are the Symptoms of Variant CDJ? Early variant CJD symptoms include anxiety, depression, withdrawal, behavioural changes, persistent pain, or odd sensations in the face or limbs. Later symptoms include motor difficulties, involuntary movements and mental deterioration. A person infected with CDJ lives on average for about one year after the onset of symptoms..."
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/1/2005 12:31:07 PM |
not the place for such things and not necessary...please..dont quote canadian medicine! YIKES
WHY? This is what we're talking about.. and the argument contrary to yours is out in the scientific community.
Are you saying we should only talk about this tuff behind closed doors? | |
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| thoughts on Texas mad cow case and beef producers relative silence Posted: 7/15/2005 1:54:21 AM |
he U.S. Department of Agriculture was not immediately available to comment Thursday on when it would allow imports of Canadian cattle to resume.
The imports were banned in May 2003 after a cow in Alberta, Canada was found to have mad cow disease.
The unanimous decision Thursday by a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturns a Montana judge who blocked the USDA from reopening the border in March, saying it "subjects the entire U.S. beef industry to potentially catastrophic damages" and "presents a genuine risk of death for U.S. consumers."
The justices said they would issue another ruling soon explaining their rationale.
The decision came a day after the U.S. Justice Department urged the appeals court in Seattle to reopen the border to imports.
Justice Department attorney Mark Stern said lifting the ban was based on "good science" and would not result in the "infestation in American livestock."
During the hearing, the three judges suggested that U.S. District Judge Richard F. Cebull perhaps should have given deference to the USDA's decision.
Judge A. Wallace Tashima said the law "does invest the secretary of agriculture with a certain amount of discretion."
Judge Connie Callahan agreed, saying the USDA is "entitled to some deference. It's their whole job to keep up with the science to make those decisions."
American Meat Institute President J. Patrick Boyle said the industry would be able to resume cattle shipments quickly.
"A lot of the preliminary work is already done. I think you'll see the industry move quickly," he said.
U.S. cattlemen are getting more for their cows without the competition of Canadian beef, but profits have declined at packers and feedlots, which are paying higher prices for cattle to process.
They say Canadian cattle are safe, and that the ranchers are more interested in monopolizing supplies than protecting the meat-eating public.
Speaking in Ottawa, Canada before the appellate court decision was released, Boyle blamed the ban for the loss of more than 8,000 jobs in the U.S. meat packing industry.
The Canadian Cattlemen's Association, which represents some 90,000 beef producers, estimates they have lost more than $5.6 billion since the ban was established.
"This is a tremendous victory for the northwest beef industry," said Cody Easterday, who runs an 18,000-head feedlot in Pasco, Washington.
"It's basically going to protect our future for many families that depend on the beef industry for their livelihood."
Mad cow disease is the common name for bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE. People who eat meat tainted with BSE can contract a degenerative, fatal brain disorder called variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.
More than 150 people died from it following a 1986 outbreak in the United Kingdom. | |
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