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Posted: 5/5/2009 8:41:23 AM | A huge wave crashed into the New York City region 2,300 years ago, dumping sediment and shells across Long Island and New Jersey and casting wood debris far up the Hudson River.
The scenario, proposed by scientists, is undergoing further examination to verify radiocarbon dates and to rule out other causes of the upheaval.
Sedimentary deposits from more than 20 cores in New York and New Jersey indicate that some sort of violent force swept the Northeast coastal region in 300BC.
If we're wrong, it was one heck of a storm
Steven Goodbred
Vanderbilt University
It may have been a large storm, but evidence is increasingly pointing to a rare Atlantic Ocean tsunami.
source data http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8028949.stm
Personally, though some of us know its hypothetical if a very rare occurrence. more so in the Atlantic is its more common than we ever thought. Sea level rise rise aside,l should we get hysterical and build 100 foot tall defence barriers if so why and if not why not
(Scotland was hit with an undersea slide. Norwegian sea, underwater, a few millennia ago..so we aint immune either)..wales in 18 0odds. Tis not exactly uncommon
this is a common event. Out with the event of 11.5k BP event (whatever caused that)
what are we going do do about it?
close our eyes
pretend its infrequent and will skip our generation
should we be worried? | |
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Posted: 5/5/2009 9:04:21 AM | If you can suggest something, anything, that is both achievable and will make any difference whatsoever, I'd be happy to discuss it with you.
A 100-foot-high wall along the entire coast of North America seems both implausible and unlikely to have any real effect on a significant tsunami, particularly with the required openings for ingress and egress.
Moving every city and human being 20 miles inland from any major waterway and coast also seems implausible and since a real big one will make it hundreds of miles inland, what's the point? | |
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Posted: 5/5/2009 9:53:58 AM | There is ample evidence to suggest this to be the case some 11500 years before present , was little surprised to see it prevalent on the east coast recently, arcahic backed up with a veritable raft of data from hundreds of professors. Amply more knowledgeable than me in their respected fields. Both in the nothern hemisphere and southern hemisphere to suggest an abrupt ending to the pleistocine and indeed holocence period.
But I am am gladdened your ruled it out bathed in spurious, as being non sequential and impossible based on imo your inane complete lack of knowledge and 100 footer!!. Which no mention as ever was made, by me or the source data.
Happy to debate any fact of aforementioned post, but, none of your own made up stuff please. | |
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Posted: 5/5/2009 10:20:03 AM |
what are we going do do about it?
close our eyes
pretend its infrequent and will skip our generation
should we be worried?
People seem to forget that the trick to being Human is not to prevent disaster, it's to adapt in the face of it. Some geologists think some of the Canary Islands will eventually fall into the sea causing a huge tsnunami that will hit the Eastern seaboard. There's nothing you can do to stop it. What will be, will be. | |
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Posted: 5/5/2009 11:08:58 AM | Other than building sunami defence warnings, there is nothing that can be done that is practical. At least with sunmai defence warnings, some people would be able to get out of the way. The rest however are screwed no mater what you do. | |
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Posted: 5/5/2009 11:44:30 AM | True robinson, sooner or later eek...and erm that un will be big - via el cumbre viegja (or however is spelt apologies).
Its also a widely held belief/misnomer the Atlantic, eastern sea board, and indeed the UK are rarely troubled with this sort of inundation :).. Its now a reasonably fashionable belief the mechanism for these can be a simple as a under water earth/mud slide eg scotland. 8k yeara ago estimate about 8 metres/30 feet origin Norwegian sea.
However should one up the clock to say 11.5BP approx there is ample evidence to say many places across the northern and southern hemisphere were inundated and indeed those outwith the reach of the last glacial maximum in both hemispheres and even the reaches of hypothetical massive & sudden catastrophic failure of eg the Laurentide Ice Sheet were more than amply breached (mechanism unknown)
Tis been a decade since ive been in the field, but still I am shocked with the recent date - which I believe to be eventually provable...albeit it was a 15-30 foot tsunami or massive, not experienced in living memory,storm surge
ps its wellies and cagools btw ;) ( I wasnt important enough to go anywhere really warm :) | |
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Posted: 5/5/2009 5:29:59 PM |
what are we going do do about it?
close our eyes
pretend its infrequent and will skip our generation
should we be worried?
What do you suggest that we do? Dismantle the cities and move them inland?
If it the idea bothers you that much, just don't live there. Of course, take into consideration that many other places in the US have earthquakes, the Midwest has tornadoes, and Florida/south has hurricanes.
There is nothing you can do about the forces of nature.
I live in the new tornado alley of the Midwest--it is my choice to live here.
I only really fear sinkholes, though. Shudder. | |
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Posted: 5/5/2009 6:13:41 PM | Yeah, don't google "New Madrid fault" unless you don't live ANYWHERE in the midwest USA.
Or, for that matter, "Yellowstone Mega-volcano" if you live in the northern hemisphere. ;-) | |
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Posted: 5/5/2009 7:37:00 PM | why would an atlantic tsunami be so rare?........the city of Lisbon was nearly destroyed in the middle ages by an atlantic tidal wave!
www.clpic.ox.ac.uk/doc/5.doc | |
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Posted: 5/5/2009 9:36:15 PM | Pompeii was built at the base of Mt Vesuvius, a volcano widely known at the time to be active- yet many of the the inhabitants were caught, apparently unaware, when it erupted in 79 AD, burying the city and its neighbor, Herculaneum.
Pompeiians weren't ignorant savages, they were, for the most part, educated, enlightened, civilized people of the age. They knew the volcano was dangerous, and they weren't unfamiliar with the destruction that volcanoes can cause- they simply chose to ignore the warning signs- as many of us are doing now. | |
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Posted: 5/6/2009 8:27:08 PM | *****************************************************************************
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Just put some kind of warning system on the rats and other wild animals in the city. When they all start running inland, the people should also. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 9:52:28 AM |
many of the the inhabitants were caught, apparently unaware, when it erupted in 79 AD, burying the city and its neighbor, Herculaneum.
Thats actually a missconception thats quite comonly heald. I do not know where it comes from, but its simply wrong.
Writings of the time show that the people knew the mountain was about to erupt beforehand, because it had started to rumble and quake. In addition to that, it took quite some time for the eruption to bury the towns of pompeii and herculanium, several days.
Most of the population remained calm and did not panic, which is what the problem was. They just went about thier daily lives as it rained down ash all around them. eventually the population was forced to flee, but being cut off from the rest of the country by the mountain, they were forced to flee by boat.
Not everyone was able to flee, or survived the first few days of ash though. almost all of the bodies found to date are of the young, the elderly and the infirm, very few are of healthy young males. A large number of the bodies have also been positioned post mortem as well, sugesting that they were layed out to await proper funeral rites but due to the ongoing eruption, that became imposible and they were simply left behind.
Hope that helps clear things up. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 12:12:09 PM |
should we be worried? Worried that it will, or won't happen?
Maybe it will coincide with some future nuclear holocaust just in time to put the flames out, sparing the people who survived the pandemic that was also going at the time, assuming they had their surfboards with them or, at least, their water wings.
I am not worried about any of the possible big catastrophes they show on the History channel. Bring it on! Even the Killer Komet, that wipes out all of life above ground, does not worry me in the least. Any such event would be sad, to be sure, but so is the basic premise of mortality itself, sad because one day we all must die anyway, no matter how long we lived and what all we survived. Death is nothing to worry about, and especially when worry would take away from life while we have it. That's the point of being alive. Enjoy it while you can. Do not worry yourself right out of appreciating life just because it can end at any time no matter what you do. Still, if you have a choice, rent the apartment closer to the top of the building, and buy a couch that floats. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 10:12:27 PM | A possible culprit of this happening has already been discovered and is being studied in the Azores. One volcano is in danger of one third of it's mass sliding off into the Atlantic Ocean, so it just might give you your desired 50 to 100 foot high tsunami probably all along the Eastern seaboard of the US and probably Canada, and several other countries, as to when? http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/region.cfm?rnum=1802
This probably happened in the Pacific ocean when about half of Molokai slid off into the Pacific Ocean and because of the ocean floor topography travelled several hundred miles across the seabed | |
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Posted: 5/8/2009 9:11:54 AM | | I think one should be more worried about dying from a heart attack, stroke, or car accident than a city-destroying tsunami. The former events kill people far more often than tsunamis. | |
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