| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 9:08:45 AM | If a man is falsely accused of rape, the stigma/ distrust attached with being accused of rape never goes away.
Women who do this receive minimal prison time and sometimes no punishment at all
SO....Should women who lie about being raped receive a prison sentence that is equivalent in length of time to that of a convicted rapist ? | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 9:13:18 AM | | Convicted rapist? Do you know how many reported rapes or sexual assaults actually end up with a conviction? The figures might surprise you. I don't think it's acceptable for anyone to lie about being raped but also have a thought for people who are raped and let down badly by the justice system. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 9:13:40 AM |
If a man is falsely accused of rape, the stigma/ distrust attached with being accused of rape never goes away.
This is why I think there should be no naming of the accused allowed in the press until after a verdict has been reached (for Crown Court cases, anyway).
Women who do this receive minimal prison time and sometimes no punishment at all
I doubt that to be the truth. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 9:20:06 AM |
SO....Should women who lie about being raped receive a prison sentence that is equivalent in length of time to that of a convicted rapist ?
No ,they should get the sentence best fitting for fabricating the attack. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 9:57:19 AM |
Convicted rapist? Do you know how many reported rapes or sexual assaults actually end up with a conviction? The figures might surprise you. I don't think it's acceptable for anyone to lie about being raped but also have a thought for people who are raped and let down badly by the justice system.
I think if someone has had previous allegations made against them (but no conviction or case actually went to court), or a previous conviction (spent or not) then his name should be made public; otherwise, he should be given anonymity. The current system is based on, as you say, "the number of reported rapes that don't end up with a conviction". The crucial figure here however is the number of reported rapes that were frivolous (such as the recent case of a poor student who "pulled" on a drunken night out, but his amour had attacks of religious guilt the next morning). Nobody knows how many are frivolous, so the statistic you quote has no meaning. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 2:50:11 PM |
Should women who lie about being raped receive a prison sentence that is equivalent in length of time to that of a convicted rapist ?
Of course not
Unless maybe such laws also applied to men who lie about being raped................ | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 2:58:12 PM |
Unless maybe such laws also applied to men who lie about being raped................
how many do you know then? 
a woman who lies about rape will no doubt face just as much 'stigma' and finger pointing in her neighbourhood as a convicted rapist.
what goes around comes around
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 3:09:01 PM |
Nobody knows how many are frivolous, so the statistic you quote has no meaning.
Just like no one knows how many people out there have been raped and the attacker gets away with it. Some women (and men) won't report a rape or a sexual attack because they are too traumatised to go through the process of going to court to try and get a conviction.
Of course there will be people who cry rape, but I think there will be many more people who genuinely are raped and don't get a conviction, or even their case to court.
The original poster said that someone who cries rape should get the same sentence as a convicted rapist. Those who are convicted tend to get sentences of between four and six years. If someone has a previous rape conviction the jury won't be told when making the decision to convict. I think it's unfair that people's reputations are ruined by women who waste police time, but I also think it's unfair that women are raped or sexually assaulted and so few cases make it to court and of those that do, a tiny percentage end up in a conviction.
I didn't actually quote a statistic but just because it doesn't have meaning to you, doesn't mean that it isn't relevant to me. Wasting police time and trying to ruin someone's reputation isn't right but that doesn't mean that a high percentage of women who are raped are making it up. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 3:26:52 PM | how many do you know then?
Er exactly the same number as the number of female rape victims that I know of personally.
So should I henceforth assume that there is actually no such thing as rape  | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 4:44:30 PM | | I think men accused of this shouldn't be named until they have been found guilty ,women who are found to of lied should recieve some from of custodial sentence but also psychiatric help too | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 5:42:52 PM |
SO....Should women who lie about being raped receive a prison sentence that is equivalent in length of time to that of a convicted rapist ?
No , of course not . However , anybody falsely accusing another of rape should be dealt with harshly. I would say a custodial sentence should be mandatory .
A man falsely accused of rape will live with that stigma and its consequences for many years . They are often publicly named before even going to trial whilst the accuser is granted anonymity after being proven a liar.
Its sometimes the case where the guy [generally its a man being accused by a woman , I'm aware there are exceptions before somebody points it out] will be remanded in custody whilst awaiting trial . So not only is he losing his liberty but more often than not his job / livelihood . His reputation and possibly his partner / wife and family as a result. The damage caused is often irreversible . I would consider this a very serious matter indeed and the law should reflect this. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 6:39:10 PM | | I had a friend who went through months of turmoil because of this,although she was known to the police for it,they had to follow it up.Women like this should face the consequences,they cause havoc in peoples lives and because of them, many genuine rapes are often questioned and genuine victims fear being labelled the same,so they go unreported.Then again......would it stop women coming forward?........we all know that rape is very hard to prove,often one persons word against the other...........so if there was lack of evidence,would that then make the woman in a position of making it up ,when she is totally innocent?........i am sure there are many cases like this.This is probably the reason the law is not harsh on women who do this.......sadly. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/5/2009 11:35:27 PM | recall a case of some 19 year old that had oral sex with a 15 year old, she later claimed that he had raped her, but luckily he had filmed the act on him showing how forward she was and the like. Police see the film and he gets off with a sex register membership and the girl gets off free
personally feel that if you make up a story, then the woman should suffer jail time for it | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/6/2009 1:31:27 AM | | Women who falsely cry rape should be tried before a jury of women who have been raped & those who have been raped should be able to pass down a sentence they see as befitting. The diservice these women do to other women is heinous & they should be made to pay a very high price for it. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 5/6/2009 8:23:26 AM | Unless and until women who lie about rape receive EXACTLY the same sentence as the man would have received had he been convicted, then there is quite obviously no justice.
These liars (and there are quite a lot of them) are not only a serious problem for innocent men, but also for women who really have been the victim of sexual assault, as juries are quite rightly cynical about all such accusations. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 10/24/2009 6:48:14 AM | My mother was striped naked and raped and kidnaped by a 2 black women and a guy at a beach when me and mom were leveing for the night back in 1992 who were strangers to us.
Mom got a head start over me buy a good margin
we were not the only ones there just 3 others who I noiced were looking at my mother alot from a distance not to fair away.
They ran up to my mother and just started touching her then 5 min latter they were
stripping my mother naked it looked like a pack of wolfs attacking a week anamail when they stood mom up this women reached and pulled moms underwears off of mom and they drug mom into there van wile mom was naked and wile the other women was carrieing moms close in her arms I herd the guy say to mom just before they drove off how told mom how good she looked naked and drove off with mom with them in the back screming wile they made fun of her as they drove off to were ever.
So yes for women who do file a failse police reports Yes it dose bother me when they do this as it take police away from the real thing and they should be charged
for making false sexual assault cases thorw police.
The Police never did found my mother until 10 years latter in Mexico. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 10/24/2009 7:20:50 AM | SO....Should women who lie about being raped receive a prison sentence that is equivalent in length of time to that of a convicted rapist ?
If it's proved beyond doubt that it was a lie and not just perception then yes they should serve the equivalent time
Msg: 17: WOW i dont know what to say.
Are you sure you want to share that level of info on here?
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 10/24/2009 9:51:04 AM | Proving someone lied about being raped is about as easy as proving they're telling the truth....
Should a proven liar get a similar sentence to what the alleged rapist had got if convicted?...........Absolutely yes!
Probably wont give the innocents any peace of mind though, their life will be in ruins anyway. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 10/24/2009 11:05:32 AM | I was on the jury of a major rape case this year. 3 men accused of raping a woman.
it was dreadful. they were not guilty but the aftermath of the case must of been horrid.
I wont go into details but the case should really never of been brought to trial. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 10/24/2009 11:23:13 AM | the problem with rape cases is the evidence which could be either for or against the victim, i mean victim as in the innocent party. which im quite suprised they dont offer lie detectors as evidence. i know they are only about 96-97% proof but would rather take that then a long trial, where its all down to convincing the jury and indeed who has the best acting skills.
if a false allegation is made then criminal charges should be brought in, and details released after the trial. BUT what would happen if someone was charged with false claims, done there time and was raped, due to that conviction? | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 10/24/2009 2:47:02 PM | Accusing a man of rape is terrible. I couldnt ever think about doing that, its totally vile and reprehensible. I do believe though that women who do this are probably suffering from some sort of mental disorder. There is no logical explanation as to why any sane woman would do this.
I am not a fan of lock them up and throw away the key. I think most prisons are filled with people that have a lot of problems and if they had received help or understanding from someone earlier they would not be in prison now.
If you label someone as a criminal they will behave like one. As a society we need to be more understanding and help our most vulnerable members. I do understand that if someone is accused of rape its very damaging and the women that falsely accuse need to be dealt with as its very very wrong.
Punishment is not always the answer to every problem. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 10/25/2009 2:48:09 AM | Women who lie about being raped damage the chance of genuine victims getting justice.
However, women lying about being raped pales in significance compared to genuine victims of sexual violation and I always question the motives of people who push this argument to the fore to the detriment of discussing the extent of rape in our society and the low conviction rates connected with this type of crime. | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 10/25/2009 4:25:04 AM | this is a really tough one. i think it's pretty disgusting and horrendous to do it to a bloke obviously. this happened to a guy who lived near me when i was a kid and he only avoided prison because his mates had taken photos of the love bites she had given him to take the mick out of him. he still had police questioning still had to deal with the rife gossip of a small commmunity and still went to court in the end i think and still had his name and rape in the same sentence in the press. poor guy that has to scar you for life.
but no, women who lie about it should not be treated in the same way as rapists are thats just silly. telling lies however dispicable is not raping someone and shouldn't be treated as such. otherwise evertime anyone says 'ooh i could kill him', they could be banged up, well ok not quite the same but you get the drift.
i think the issue for the police/legal services is whats her actual crime? telling lies in this way isn't that kind of crime, i don't think is comes under fraud, there is no phiscal gain, it's not stalking, it's possibly abuse but abuse sentences i think are shorter and anyone who's had to dead with neighbour abise etc knows it take a long time to build a case to prove it. i think wasting police time is about as strong as it gets.
someone lying in this way clearly needs a lot of medical intervention if they have definatly lied but how do yo actually prove that? i think the reason cited for why most women don't even tell people they have been raped is bcause they know proving it is so difficult.....my facts are a bit shaky here but most people know that the majority of rapes are committed by rapists known to the victim in situations where the rapist saw an opputunity to take advantage, leaving most rape victims feeling that is was their fault in some way etc
i read a story once about a women who worked with a bloke in a pub and when the staff sat about having a drink one night he put rohypnol in her drink his defence was that he knew she liked him but thought she was shy and that it would help! this guy was convinced he had not raped her but was helping her!
i think rape has always been one of the most troublesome things to define and there are tonnes of threads on here about date rape, women unable to consent as they are too drunk, is it rape when this that and the other.
i think you have to define in what way the accuser lied..if the accused was aquitted it doesn't necessarily mean the accuser was lying it may mean thats how she felt but a jury felt the situation was such that man actually believed the women had given her consent i'm not 100% but i think in some of those cases certainly that how the rape is quanitified ...did the accused know and do it anyway.
slightly off topic op sorry but you don't get black and white answers to grey questions | |
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| women who lie about being raped
Posted: 10/27/2009 5:28:30 AM | My personal view is that they should, if prosecuted in the right way AND found guilty, be punished for it. Women (and men) who lie about being raped make things so much harder for those who truly have had to experience this horror.
My sister was raped on three different occasions. She never found the courage to prosecute, and ended up dropping the cases because she couldnt face people not believing her. This happened because she was very mentally unwell and therefore people did not take what she said seriously. As a result of the trauma of the last rape and abuse she suffered nightmares so horrific she wet herself and was diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder. It was this that led to her death in may of this year. | |
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