| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/16/2009 3:44:48 PM | We all know by now about MPs wetting their beaks in the tax payers money.
Seriously, Im gonna struggle to put a tick next to a box for someone who is prepared to fiddle their expenses. I cant vote someone in who is prepared to lie and cheat to line their own pockets.
The questions I want to ask is does anyone think Labour can make it through the next general election, or are we all gonna be voting Green. Is there anything Labour can do to pull this back.
A good start would be to ensure every dodgy penny is paid back. Some of the dodgy bar stewards are admitting it, but saying they not paying it back...what you think? | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/16/2009 3:48:56 PM | | I don't think it matters in all honesty which party you would chose to vote for, I expect every party, including green have members who are guilty of this. Should we allow this to sway or vote or should we just vote for their policies? I personally am going to choose the later. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/16/2009 3:59:06 PM | Yes I think it has, the party who were going to eradicate sleaze. I think Blair got out at the right time.
I don't think David Cameron should be making this a political party issue, given that his MP's are also involved. I'm not a fan of Labour, I do think the Tories will get in and I may be in the minority but I don't think life will be better under a Tory Govt, however, Labour have brought this on themselves. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/16/2009 5:10:44 PM | Yes but it was going that way anyway and this has just pushed them over the cliff some more.
There is only a certain amount of time people will accept any one party in power and Brown blew it when he didn't go for before.
I reckon he'd have scraped it then like Major did.
Confidence gets the economy going again. New government new confidence. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/16/2009 5:18:18 PM | No it hasn't. They were finished anyway.
Almost everyone who can claim expenses has fiddled expenses, it's a fact of life.
Use your car on a business trip? Add a few extra miles onto the journey.
Business meeting? Down the pub for lunch and a few beers.
I was once told that a salesman on a project I was on got his conservatory built on expenses. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/16/2009 5:18:38 PM | I don't think it is a party issue and I think that in trying to make it so, Cameron has shot himself in the foot. It looks as if it is endemic amongst those in the house.
I cant vote someone in who is prepared to lie and cheat to line their own pockets.
You may find it difficult to find someone to vote for then. the best thing to do is to go to your own MP's surgery and ask him/her about their expenses claims.
I think I'll be asking the question of my MP via the constituency party and moving for deselection if she is a fiddler. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/16/2009 5:20:06 PM | It's a bad time to be in government. It's a worst time when you're as uncharismatic as Brown.
This won't help him, but it won't help many tories either - on a local level - any sitting MP who has had his/or her nose too deep in the trough is going to be outed for it big time when the election is called. And if their parties don't deselect them, the electorate will. It's only party political in so far as labour has more MPs than the tories, the latter have been dishonest too.
So the best news is that the biggest crooks will be forced out of parliament - whatever their party. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/16/2009 5:22:45 PM | | what is the difference between benifit frude and mp,s on the take they should all be done if there claming things there not entitled to the hole lot of them are bent as two bob notes. the sooner the police bring charges the better but it want happen | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/16/2009 5:24:07 PM | IS this really a serious question?
Has the expenses scandal cost them the election? 
possibly screwing up the economy despite the best growth in a generation, selling the countrys gold at a 20 year low, children in poverty numbers rising, unemployment going through the roof, immigration a mess, the health service run by targets which result in GP's being told not to refer people to keep targets, violent crime on the increase, record numbers of house reposessions, tax increases for low earners which broke election manifesto promises, record tax on fuel, stealth taxes bought in wholesale increasing the tax burden on everybody and destroying pensions at the same time, prices rising, company failures on the increase, billions spent on an illegal war and no investigation, destoying the final salary pension schemes for millions of UK employees, using anti terror legislation to spy on the UK population, using it to stop people that would speak out against the labour party from entering the country, sold off the airwaves causing 30,000 job losses in the UK, signing up to a treaty that the country was promised a referendum on, and excuses it by saying that it changed anyway and would be far to complex for the UK people to understand, and an unlected Prime Minister who cant make a decision without referring it to committees, who is likened to Stalin and called a control freak, and pig headed by his own party. Accused of treating is own cabinet with "more or less complete contempt". Illustrated that he refuses to answer questions in Parliament that he doesnt consider worthy of his time, INCLUDING the ones on sleaze and false expenses.
The PM a laughing stock around the world and ridculed in his own party for his famous, cringeworthy you tube video.
But the expenses will cost them the election of course.
In the words of his own party members......" the next election will be so cataclysmic it might spell the end of the Labour Party for ever." | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/16/2009 9:05:17 PM | "Lets start with honest MP's in the 4th party shall we???"
I was thinking 4th Reich actually....because thats what we've got..
Reigh meaning "empire" in german
would you rather go vote for one of the corrupt fuc*ers we've got?
thats entirely up to you.
Because we've got to live with them.. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 12:39:24 AM | Lets just remember that ALL parties have members who have had their snouts in the trough, not just the labour party ..... equally to blame Tory , Lib , and Labour, Sinn Fein, Green, etc etc etc ........
Has it cost Labour the election ? Probably not. All the other sht over the last decade has already sealed their fate. The sad thing is that the Tories when they win the election, will turn out to be just as incompetant and sleazy within a few years.... As it ever was. All the same ............. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 12:50:48 AM | Gordon Brown is unelected and has held off calling an election as he would lose, he had already lost this is just another nail in the coffin, the problem is they are running out of bits of wood to put nails in.
I don't think any party has come out of this scandal well as they are affected and all guilty, though I think David Cameron has done better at acting at apologising and paying back the money whilst Gordon just looks confused by it all.
The Government comes of worse as they are supposed to look after the interests of the people and have been conning us with bogus claims and scandalous expenses and though they must of been aware chose to ignore it and only acted when a Newspaper reports it. This scandal shouldn't really of happened till July when the expense were to be published, is it just me or could the Government not of got its and the other parties houses in order prior to that?
Krusty makes the good point that you vote for policies and this shouldn't sway you, but definately should on a local level as we are talking about individual dirty MP's rather than parties and getting these scum out of politics is vital imo. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 2:31:20 AM | 25/1 looks like a good bet to me.
^^^ you have a 3.85 % chance of winning, good luck with your bet though
I personally think the a cracking value bet is Most Seats (conservatives) I had a lump on a few mths ago at 1.32 now 1.2 ish , still value imo, I may go in again we all need to 
I don't think novice gamblers should be suggesting / recommending people to bet.It is a quick way to the poor house | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 2:45:11 AM | Msg:20
But what would happen if most voters ticked that box?...In theory it appears a good way of showing our utter disgust but what good would it do?
As I mentioned on a different thread a new system needs to be put in place immediately to instil public confidence in MP's before any voting perhaps? | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 3:15:12 AM | "A week is a long time in politics".... there's a possibility all this will 'blow over' by the time an election is necessary. The mefia can only keep its hysteria going so long. And it did get a bit stupid.... one MP who lived some distance from London was criticised for claiming for getting his lawn mown. Errrr helllooo - he's away working in London like he's supposed to be - why shouldn't he claim for that - it seems reasonable to me....
However the greedy pigs should go. What worries me is that the major parties will probaby sit down together and make an arrangement whereby they all lay off the subject of MPs expenses when the elections come around - its the sort of greaseball thing politicians will do. In Australia there was a party launched 'Keep the b*st*rds honest' - with a remit to stop political greed and corruption.... maybe we should all vote Monster Raving Loony? | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 3:26:11 AM | I'm not sure about those %age things you quoted work at all, 1.3 what?.
^^^ the % is the implied probability, if your bet is a true 1/25 chance you have 3.85 chance of winning. look at it this way the bookie has backed a bet with you 1/25 (£25 to win £1) the bookie will win 96%+ of thees bets.But if you think the price is too big then you have value (in you opinion) generally bookies don't go bust, punters do. you like politics and have a opinion if you think its value then it is(sort of) its only a few £ so enjoy. But I don't think it can be compared to betting on a horse
my bet 1.3 is 3 to win 1 (33% chance of winning) beter than the bank if it wins ( but i hope i will get out at 1.12 and get my stake back) | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 3:44:05 AM |
one MP who lived some distance from London was criticised for claiming for getting his lawn mown. Errrr helllooo - he's away working in London like he's supposed to be - why shouldn't he claim for that - it seems reasonable to me....
I go to work all week, can I have my lawn mown too please???? | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 3:48:09 AM |
I expect every party, including green have members who are guilty of this
How could they have given that no members of the Green party have ever sat in parliament ?
(Granted there may be councillers/MEP's/MSP's/MLA's etc but this thread is specifically about MP's expenses) | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 4:24:24 AM |
I go to work all week, can I have my lawn mown too please????
So do I. Most people work all week. At the moment I work 200 miles from home... so what?
MPs are supposed to be based in London When they go home they have constituency duties to attend to and the diligent ones do. If you expect someone to be based away from home and to run or rent a home to enable them to do so, it's not unreasonable that some support is provided to let them do so; major corporates do it for their staff in those scenarios. I'd want our MPs working on our behalf not having to mow 2 lawns, clean 2 houses etc.... Quibbling about lawn mowing and employing cleaners is the sort of petty mindedness that will diffuse the focus on the real greedy abusers who deserve to be dismissed and /or prosecuted. | |
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| MPs expenses scandal - has it cost Labour the next general election
Posted: 5/17/2009 4:28:39 AM | We are told MP's are underpaid and overworked, and a bit of fiddling here and there just makes up the correct balance. But my question is regarding being underpaid. How can one judge being underpaid? H
How many of you can write a check out for 10K at the drop of a ht, or in some cases considerably more, and especially in a time when banks are not lending to us common folk too?!
To me it suggests they are overpaid, if not overpaid liars, what do you think on this aspect of the subject? | |
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