| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/22/2009 12:42:26 PM | Another big-talking coward from the right gets to eat his own words
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Mancow-Takes-on-Waterboarding-and-Loses.html
"I want to find out if it's torture," Mancow told his listeners Friday morning, adding that he hoped his on-air test would help prove that waterboarding did not, in fact, constitute torture...
..."The average person can take this for 14 seconds," Marine Sergeant Clay South answered, adding, "He's going to wiggle, he's going to scream, he's going to wish he never did this."...
...Turns out the stunt wasn't so funny. Witnesses said Muller thrashed on the table, and even instantly threw the toy cow he was holding as his emergency tool to signify when he wanted the experiment to stop. He only lasted 6 or 7 seconds.
"It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that's no joke,"Mancow said, likening it to a time when he nearly drowned as a child. "It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back...It was instantaneous...and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture." | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/22/2009 4:03:15 PM | Props to the guy.
What people have to know is that whatever we do to our prisoners, can/will be done to our own troops. Waterboarding is proven to be ineffective--why continue the fantasy?
I have real appreciation for what this man did--and for his honesty about his thoughts regarding waterboarding. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/22/2009 4:04:16 PM | For the record Mancow is a Independent voter who is more geared towards libertarian type viewpoints. And told listeners that he would not vote for McCain or Obama. In the past he has also been tough on President Bush and his policies.
NoBushLover: How is he a coward as you say? He got waterboarded! He did it!!
Give the Cow credit for doing this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0 (watch the video on youtube) | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/22/2009 9:22:03 PM | Interesting video...
I'd never thought of Mancow as a 'right wing radio host'... but I hadn't really listened to him much. It's certainly admirable of him to go through with it and give his honest appraisal of the experience.
Hannity should man up or shut up.
Somehow I think most sane, honest people will own to waterboarding being torture...
Frankly I'd always assumed that our country tortured people from time to time... in some dark little room somewhere... when the folks in power thought it was necessary.
All this hullabaloo recently seems like it's just shining a light on a rat in the corner that's been there all along.
I doubt it's effective in getting reliable information... but great for behavior modification and 'brainwashing'. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/22/2009 10:43:06 PM | | Waterboarding is a form of torture there is no doubt about it. Waterboarding is equal to Chinese water torture in regards to how it affects someone’s mental state. With that being said, I’m all for it as a form of disciplinary punishment when all other forms of disciplnary punishment has failed, but not for trying to get information out of someone, because torturing someone to get information out of them more times then not doesn’t work in the first place. People that are getting tortured for information will say just about anything you want to hear just to get out of it. I mean, you can torture someone to say something is great, but they could be still lying just so they can get out of being tortured. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/23/2009 3:55:13 AM |
Somehow I think most sane, honest people will own to waterboarding being torture...
Should I list people you think are insane............
I agree with you 100 %. The problem we have, 3 detainees got the treatment?
Ashcroft said something like
.... Why are we even talking about this in the White House?
The answer......
We had a Bring em on President that took pride in his execution numbers.
The ticking bomb thing is crap...
However we all know, but don't talk about how some villains should be handled. They still have to be handled by PROFESSIONALS.
Not a program designed by two mental health idiots paid big bucks..... | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/23/2009 6:55:52 AM | This is a great way to settle the debate whether waterboarding is torture or not. Get all the Bush administration people who think it's not toture to try it - starting with Cheney - and then let them give their opinions.
Hmmmm, I wonder if it's legal to torture someone into confessing it's torture?
I just can't help but ask myself if the Bush administration thought that it was not torture, why did they believe that it would induce people who weren't talking to suddenly talk?
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/23/2009 7:43:36 AM |
Waterboarding is a form of torture there is no doubt about it.
... I’m all for it as a form of disciplinary punishment when all other forms of disciplnary punishment has failed ... OMG ... so perhaps our jail systems should now start using water boarding "when all other forms of disciplinary punishment has failed"? So it would be okay to "torture" jailed prisoners "when all other forms of disciplinary punishment has failed"?
Would it be correct to assume that perhaps parents should use water boarding on their children "when all other forms of disciplinary punishment has failed"? So it would be okay to "torture" children "when all other forms of disciplinary punishment has failed"?
OT ...
I can't stand to get water up my nose while just going for a leisurely swim ... I have to wear nose clips. I just have never figured out how to swim without getting water up my nose. I can't imagine what it must be like to be water boarded and I know for certain, I'd never let anyone try it on me.
Maybe more of those in here who think it's okay, should go get it done.
That's it ... let's put some "water boarding" salons out there in the malls and let people pay to be water boarded ... so they can attest to us how it's really nothing ... for sure not torture ... eh? | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/23/2009 12:18:42 PM |
NoBushLover: How is he a coward as you say? He got waterboarded! He did it!!
Wow, a whole 6 seconds. What a brave man!!!
He is a coward because he is so scared of terrorists that he is willing to support torture and tell lies about it. For me "used to support torture" is not a mark of courage. Neither is "talks out of his ass" | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/23/2009 3:07:38 PM | OMG ... so perhaps our jail systems should now start using water boarding "when all other forms of disciplinary punishment has failed"? So it would be okay to "torture" jailed prisoners "when all other forms of disciplinary punishment has failed"?
Damn right it. If you did something that bad to deserve it when all other forms of disciplinary actions failed.
Would it be correct to assume that perhaps parents should use water boarding on their children "when all other forms of disciplinary punishment has failed"? So it would be okay to "torture" children "when all other forms of disciplinary punishment has failed"?
LOL, are you freaking serious? Please tell me that was a joke. We are talking about using it in regards to punishing harden criminals that have resisted all other forms of punishment. You know the type of crimanls that are in C and D block? Not using it on your children because they came home late. If you truly and I mean truly can’t tell the diff between the two then you really have no common sense what so ever. Anyone with a half of a brain could tell the difference. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/23/2009 3:44:19 PM |
LOL, are you freaking serious? Please tell me that was a joke. We are talking about using it in regards to punishing harden criminals that have resisted all other forms of punishment. You know the type of crimanls that are in C and D block?
Actually, terrorists aren't like the criminals in C and D block. I think that, once again, someone has been watching too much TV.
And it's not a choice between hardened criminals and a kid who comes home late. There are children who are extremely violent and disturbed, and who are in serious trouble.
And for all of your cries of outrage, you still haven't posted a reason why such children should not be subject to waterboarding. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/23/2009 4:23:44 PM | You are kidding me right? What does TV have to do with common logic?
What sets terrorist apart from murders? Nothing. What logical diff is there between a guy that blows up many people in a street with a car bomb, or any type of dirty bomb vs. some guy going around with an AK-47 killing many people? Nothing.
So it’s not a choice for people to decide to kill other people? So if I came up to you for no reason and blew your head off with my 357 that's not my choice right? I mean I’m not responsible for it according to. Yes and many times those children that grow up that way grew up in broken families, but that still doesn't give someone any right what so ever to go kill someone, because of their past. If that was the case then all of these criminals in prison could use that excuse and be out on the streets right now. Hell why even have prisons then, just let everyone do what they want and have no one take responsibility for their own actions. The bottom line is, people are responseable for their own actions in the end regardless of their past.
My outrage? How can you not see the diff between the two is the biggest question? There if a major diff between waterboarding your child because they broke a parental guideline vs. someone that is a violent criminal that has total disregard for humanity. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/23/2009 5:08:11 PM |
He is a coward because he is so scared of terrorists that he is willing to support torture and tell lies about it. For me "used to support torture" is not a mark of courage. Neither is "talks out of his ass"
Well, for me, someone who has the courage to publicly admit he was wrong is very couragous, and I don't that as talking out his ass. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/24/2009 5:17:54 AM | So in your eyes Hannity must not be coward for not taking on the challenge.
Another illiterate wingnut. Can't you read? I already posted why I think Mancow is a coward; because he is so afraid of terrorists that he's willing to lie about it.
He was willing to say it wasn't torture, even though he didn't know what he was talking about. His admission that it was torture was in no way couragous. Telling the truth after being tortured is the point of torture. Telling the truth under torture is not bravery; It's the natural and planned response to torture.
Experience's, it's how people learn.
Only idiots and the less intelligent animals rely solely on experience to learn. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/24/2009 8:39:32 AM |
Telling the truth after being tortured is the point of torture. Telling the truth under torture is not bravery; It's the natural and planned response to torture.
Sounds like it might just work then, doesn't it?
BTW:
Are all "wingnuts" illiterate, or just the conservative ones? | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/24/2009 8:41:37 AM | In reply to the above post message #18
NBL said-"Only idiots and the less intelligent animals rely solely on experience to learn. "
So I assume you have always been a great driver from day one, a great cook from day one, a great reader from day, great at fixing computers from day one, etc. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/24/2009 9:07:01 AM | i watched the youtube clip of this. he said it was just like drowning. he actually did drown as a child and had to be revived and said it felt exactly the same.
i think this is very interesting, and i am glad he did it - if not for himself, but for the greater debate. hats off to him for having the huevos to do this. should waterboarding be banned? probably. is it something that we should be doing? nope. should we be indicting law professors and psychologists who were hired as consultants by the cia to over see the program? nope. release pictures of the interrogations? absolutely not. images of nick berg being beheaded comes to mind, since his captors made it clear that they were beheading berg in direct retaliation for abu ghraib.
i don't really consider mancow a right wing radio host. he's not a pundit. he discusses lots of things on his show. i see him more as a radio host that happens to be right leaning. he certainly isn't religious. i see him more as a south park conservative. and NBL, you hav eto allow people the ability to change thier minds. its called growth. you should not ridicule people for shifting thier positions on issues. i change my mind about things all the time when new information is introduced. those who can't change thier mind or admit when they were wrong about something are simply cowards or too concerned about what others think. people do learn from experience and from example. are you so full of vitriolic hatred for anyone that happens to be to the right of you that you can't give the man props for agreeing to do this? i think he's brave.
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/24/2009 12:00:24 PM | ^^^ What she said!
NBL, it would appear that your hatred of all things conservative has filled you with so much vitriol and venom that you can't even recognize when an honest man has the courage to admit that he was wrong. I'm sorry for you for that. It must be very lonely up in that Ivory Tower. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/24/2009 12:11:34 PM | In reply to the above post message #18
NBL said-"Only idiots and the less intelligent animals rely solely on experience to learn. "
So I assume you have always been a great driver from day one, a great cook from day one, a great reader from day, great at fixing computers from day one, etc.
No, but I'll assume you don't understand what the words "rely SOLELY" means
There's nothing wrong with learning from experience in many cases, but it's not the best way to learn things like math, and other matters with a strong conceptual foundation. That's why it's only the animals with lower intelligence that rely SOLELY on experience for learning. Animals with higher intelligence, such as humans. employ a variety of learning methods.
barbe
NBL, it would appear that your hatred of all things conservative has filled you with so much vitriol and venom that you can't even recognize when an honest man has the courage to admit that he was wrong
Being honest, like taking care of your kids and not going to prison, are not things that make you brave; They are things that you are supposed to do. I don't give people "credit" for doing the minimum in honest behavior, and I don't give them credit for admitting something only when it can no longer be denied
If he were a truly honest person, he wouldn't have abused his position, and made false claims about waterboarding. Instead, he would have done his "research" BEFORE he opened his lying mouth. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/24/2009 12:50:31 PM | Here is what Mancow said;
I want to find out if it's torture," Mancow told his listeners Friday morning, adding that he hoped his on-air test would help prove that waterboarding did not, in fact, constitute torture...
This in my opinion is not the statement of a coward nor a dishonest man but rather someone who wanted to find out for himself once and for all . We can agree to disagree NBL because after reading your posting history, it's clear to me that we will not find common ground on this issue. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/24/2009 4:54:22 PM |
This in my opinion is not the statement of a coward nor a dishonest man
IMO, it is the statement of a coward or a dishonest man. He, and anyone that shares that opinion, lacks the courage or the honesty to do the research, and learn the facts regarding waterboarding, which clearly show that it is torture. For him to put himself as the final arbiter of what torture is, instead of the courts where the responsibility truly resides, demonstrates an arrogance based in either cowardice or dishonesty.
And if you're going to defend or condone torture, then no, I'm not going to find anything in common you. Me, and the majority of humanity, consider torture to be one of the most heinous crimes. | |
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| Right wing radio host gets waterboarded for 7 seconds. Admits it is torture
Posted: 5/24/2009 5:49:20 PM |
Sounds like it might just work then, doesn't it?
Only if you think confessions to being a witch during the spanish inquisition are valid. The problem with torture isn't getting them to admit to something, the problem is if we waterboarded you read, YOU'D say you were a terrorist, you'd say you were a homosexual, you'd say that you planned the 9/11 attacks, and you'd say that your primary sponsor was Texas.
Because torture will make you say anything if it's bad enough. | |
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