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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911 (locked)
Posted: 7/2/2005 3:06:58 PM | Coming to terms with your government murdering its own citizens is like someone telling you that your dad has been out molesting & killing small children. At first you react with disbelief and denial; then you look for some rationale to defend him; ultimately in the end you are forced to deal with reality regardless of the consequences ...lest you live out your days in depression.
Facing such horrible facts can tear your world apart ...for most, it's too difficult and painful to accept so they blindfold themselves ...content to live with denial of the truth.
Don't allow yourself to be fooled ...911 was an inside job ...a crime perpetrated against the United States and her people from the highest levels of government and its military complex.
911 was planned, practiced and refined years in advance. It was used as a pretense to garner public support for preemptive strikes against foreign countries to fight an invisible enemy, "global terrorists." The confusion and mayhem from 911 also allowed passage of the patriot act and many other freedom-limiting bills ...a complete assault against the U.S. Constitution.
People can be easily swayed by fear ...especially when they fear the "invisible, all powerful enemy - terrorists." Think about everything that has happened post 911 ...do you feel safer?
I don't have to remind you that certain corporations and certain "leaders" are making mega billions off the illegal occupation of sovereign nations. As Americans argue over petty matters of no import, a criminal cabal within this government continue to rob and murder at will ...they will squeeze every last drop of freedom, morale, and wealth from this country till there is nothing left to take.
911 is THE CENTRAL CORE ISSUE ...to have a greater understanding of the needless war in Iraq, you must realize that the U.S. government was directly involved with the murder of its own citizens (for selfish greed, power and propaganda). The mainstream media is CIA controlled and used to keep you misinformed ...without all the facts, you can't make informed decisions.
Don't take my word for it, research 911 for yourself.
* http://question911.com/links.php
* http://www.reopen911.org/
* http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html
* http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html
Sadly, most people in America are ill-equipped to deal with reality; they have become so dependent on someone, or something else outside of themselves to make them healthy, happy and whole that they now willingly trust their "loving" government and "benevolent" corporations" to provide everything for them.
In lieu of overwhelming evidence that 911 was indeed an inside job ...a crime and cover up orchestrated by our government, you may find yourself asking why hasn't anyone been arrested and held responsible? ...why haven't any Congressmen spoken about this? Why hasn't the media reported on this?
Good questions ...yes, very good questions.
My guess at this point is that our Congressional leaders have all been made unwilling, unwitting co-conspirators in the 911 atrocity ...for any credible representative in Washington to reveal how the United States murdered its own people, the faith of its citizens would be reduced to zero and America would be seen by the world as an untrustworthy, rogue country.
Revealing the truth about 911 also holds potential promise for restructuring our government around more people-friendly principles that would nurture our earth and goodness for all.
Discovering that your father is an unconscionable murderer would spell the end of your once proud family and you'd be forced to start anew ...a very painful, yet necessary task.
God help us all.
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 3:12:24 PM | I worked in intelligence for 8 years and the last thing any responsible and rational person in law enforcement or government agency would want to do is perpetrate, orchestrate and carry out an event like 9/11.
The capacity for a person to think that the government or other agency would allow this to happen is reprehensible. | |
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 3:31:27 PM |
I worked in intelligence for 8 years and the last thing any responsible and rational person in law enforcement or government agency would want to do is perpetrate, orchestrate and carry out an event like 9/11.
The capacity for a person to think that the government or other agency would allow this to happen is reprehensible.
That's EXACTLY what the perps depend upon ...your complete and misinformed blind trust.
Please don't discount what I (and millions of others) are saying until you've researched all the inconsistencies of 911 thoroughly ...that is, if you're really interested in learning the truth.
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 3:38:21 PM | | It’s a ridiculous and irrational notion. Conspiracy theories crop up from people because people have an axe to grind not to mention their over active imaginations to make up for what information they can’t access. | |
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 3:45:17 PM | NO... Conspiracy theories pop up because administrations LIE about facts to start wars and people have to piece things together to find answers to questions that PROVE the administration lied!!!
Theories are what police use to solve crimes. They are what scientists use to solve the mysteries of nature.
There's NOTHING WRONG with having theories. If you don't agree with them, then disprove them, but don't discredit a person for having them.
What the Bush administration has done to those of you who criticize others for this is stolen your glasses and then told you that you look better without them!!!
4sexy: I don't feel sure the Bush administration planned this, but I can believe they let it happen. There are many reasons to think that.
As far as someone saying they worked in intelligence and they know this couldn't happen 
I think that's a rather "counter intelligent" statement. MYGAWD!!! has this person had their head in the sand all their lives?
I could name SO many cases where american lives were willingly sacrificed just to prove some point that higherups wanted to prove. How about the tuskegee experiment where black soldiers were told they were being treated for syphillis and weren't because someone wanted to see how people die from syphillis?
How about when the newborn babies in army hospitals had plutonium planted in them? (You can look this up...it's punishment for being uninformed)
How about the Port Chicago explosion when they courtmartialed the guys for walking off the job AFTER THE EXPLOSION when they left before the explosion for their commanding officers trying to make them load it so fast it was becoming dangerous?
To say the US would never or has never done anything like that is laughable...
I'm not the only one who sees this inconsistency either.... the rest of the world is learning: fast... and that's why people don't just automatically do what he says. Jeez.... this is the third generation of his family starting wars... I'm surprised people are stupid enough not to catch on! | |
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 3:47:36 PM |
It’s a ridiculous and irrational notion. Conspiracy theories crop up from people because people have an axe to grind not to mention their over active imaginations to make up for what information they can’t access.
...yes that's the spirit ...ignore the elephant in your living room ...just walk around him ...he's there for a good reason ...don't reduce yourself to asking why ...it's much easier to just accept all the sh*it he exudes as being natural ...a mere inconvenience you'll get used to.
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 3:50:44 PM | | All of your sources are very questionable, as is your reason and logic, 4sexyfun. If you want to educate yourself on the matter, read the 911 Commission Report. | |
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 3:58:47 PM |
All of your sources are very questionable, as is your reason and logic, 4sexyfun. If you want to educate yourself on the matter, read the 911 Commission Report.
FYI, I have read the "report" ...total bullsh*it ...it would be more correctly named "The 9/11 Commission Report of Omissions and Distortions."
read:
* http://www.witnessforpeace.org/midatlantic/Articles/Critique_by_drg.html
* http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 3:59:48 PM | What sources? Well, how about the ones she is listing?
http://question911.com/links.php
http://www.reopen911.org/
http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html
Take a look at them and them tell me they have a shread of credibility. Credibility is key here. There is no credible evidence that the U.S. government was involved. There is however, evidence suggesting numerous intelligence breakdwons, which the Patriot Act are designed to address. Should the DOD have been able to protect us? Yes. Very similar threats are the reason they were created during the Cold War, in the first place. Should we have created a new umbrella bureaucracy to address it, or patched the old umbrella. That is really the issue here, and people should give up on their blame America first attitudes. Start thinking and quit living your lives as a bunch of ignoramuses and you will do better to not lose your freedoms. | |
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 4:02:34 PM | | Why don't you go ahead and provide a link to some of Ward Churchill's work. I will read them with the same level of seriousness and respect that they deserve. What parts of the Commission Report or bullsh*t? Let's hear it from an expert. I'm waiting. | |
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 4:16:16 PM |
Why don't you go ahead and provide a link to some of Ward Churchill's work. I will read them with the same level of seriousness and respect that they deserve. What parts of the Commission Report or bullsh*t? Let's hear it from an expert. I'm waiting.
Ward Churchill concerns himself with the inequities of government, before and post 911. He does not research, nor comment on how the WTC buildings were destroyed, or who is most likely responsible.
If you have questions for Mr. Churchill, write to him yourself ...and start conducting your own research too ...why expect me, or anyone to do it for you? I've already given you links to some well researched information ...check it out for yourself.
* http://www.witnessforpeace.org/midatlantic/Articles/Critique_by_drg.html
* http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 4:27:07 PM | 4sexyfun, Thank you! "If you think something is true, then it probably is...' I was raised with that way of thinking, have thought so since the 'getgo' and will continue to follow my gut instinct on the whole thing.
Also....measuring all facts, incentives, etc, It was my very first impression, one I will stick with to my grave. Thanks so much for speaking up, and out, for educating yourself, to help educate me, and others.
Once again, thank you!
("Denial, I suppose we'd call it, is the most blinding of influences.) | |
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 4:48:45 PM | salamander000 wrote:
4sexyfun, Thank you! "If you think something is true, then it probably is...' I was raised with that way of thinking, have thought so since the 'getgo' and will continue to follow my gut instinct on the whole thing.
Also....measuring all facts, incentives, etc, It was my very first impression, one I will stick with to my grave. Thanks so much for speaking up, and out, for educating yourself, to help educate me, and others. Once again, thank you!
("Denial, I suppose we'd call it, is the most blinding of influences.)
Allow me to thank YOU for gracing our presence with your kind comments of sensibility.
Thank you for being open minded and able to think for yourself to question the events of 911. Thank you also for providing incentive to others in hopes they will arrive at the truth someday too.
Thank you for being you.
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 4:57:17 PM |
NO... Conspiracy theories pop up because administrations LIE about facts to start wars and people have to piece things together to find answers to questions that PROVE the administration lied!!!
Theories are what police use to solve crimes. They are what scientists use to solve the mysteries of nature.
There's NOTHING WRONG with having theories. If you don't agree with them, then disprove them, but don't discredit a person for having them.
...I wish I'd said that! ...how true your words are!!! 
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 7:23:15 PM |
interesting! I'll have to read and get back to you with my comments!
Hi thin_man,
When you have some time, here's some more sites covering the 9/11 issue:
* http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm
* http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/160605governmentcomplicit.htm
* http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html
* http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html
* http://www.911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/index.html
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 7:44:19 PM | So, we're supposed to ignore the mountains of research, testimony, and information in the 9/11 Commission report because it's "lies" and put all our trust in some conspiracy websites on the web? And, if we don't, that means we're not "open-minded"? I would think that you're being just as close-minded as you accuse other people, by dismissing all that information, too. Wouldn't someone whose true goal is enlightenment on this issue, try to get all the information, and not accuse people of blindly accepting "all the sh*it he exudes as being natural"?
Regardless, if your only reason is to expose people to the claims of a govt cover-up, then you have succeeded, your job is done. If it's to keep shoveling conspiracy theories at everyone, then by all means, continue. | |
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 8:25:34 PM |
So, we're supposed to ignore the mountains of research, testimony, and information in the 9/11 Commission report because it's "lies" and put all our trust in some conspiracy websites on the web?
I never said you, or anyone else were "supposed" to do anything. As for the "9/11 Commission report", it's about as close to fiction as it gets. If you were familiar with the facts surrounding 9/11 and the WTC buildings obvious demolitions, you too would be (hopefully) exposing the lie(s) at every opportunity.
And, if we don't, that means we're not "open-minded"? I would think that you're being just as close-minded as you accuse other people, by dismissing all that information, too.
Here again you are distorting truth ...are you confused or what? I only thanked a forum poster for being open-minded enough to consider an alternative viewpoint ...I never accused anyone of anything.
Wouldn't someone whose true goal is enlightenment on this issue, try to get all the information, and not accuse people of blindly accepting "all the sh*it he exudes as being natural"?
I think you should take your own advice ...have you even taken time to review any of the sites I suggested? Or does truth and fact only emerge from government officials and/or the TV?
Rather than refer to "Wrestling with Bigfoot" as a metaphor for ridicule, try researching some facts for yourself. I've spent over four (4) years looking into the inconsistencies of 911 and the government's cover up. Being born only a few blocks from the World Trade Centers, I've been inside those once enormous structures many times ...so I have first hand experience in that regard.
Have you been anywhere, or read anything other than laying on your couch in front of a TV set?
Get off your lazy a*ss and read something.
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 8:41:43 PM |
...yes that's the spirit ...ignore the elephant in your living room ...just walk around him ...he's there for a good reason ...don't reduce yourself to asking why ...it's much easier to just accept all the sh*it he exudes as being natural ...a mere inconvenience you'll get used to.
Its amazing how far one can go when you use common sense. | |
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| U.S. Government Was Complicit in 911
Posted: 7/2/2005 8:58:41 PM | GenJack, people convinced against their will are of the same opinion still. The US is the most scrutinized, analyzed and under the microscope country in the world. If you for example or 4sexyfun believe the US government lied then why don’t you bring up charges, why doesn’t the UN or other nations bring up charges?
You can petition your representatives and you can file suits against the government. If you have information to the contrary, then what are you waiting for? Shed light on the subject so the whole world can see it.
If you’re so adamant about the wrong doings of the US why haven’t you filed any suits? From what I’m seeing it’s all a dog and pony show, bits and snatches of information, are you suggesting that you know more about my professional life that you can so easily quantify what I do? It’s ridiculous to make charges without any substantive fact to back it up; it completely undermines your whole credibility. | |
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