| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 6:28:33 AM | As a side note to the cannabis thread running at the moment...
I'm a non user, I've never used.. I've never smoked either... I don't feel I've missed out, I have chillout times, I can relax and unwind no problems....
But, do I not have good sex because I don't get stoned? Do I remain unnecessarily uptight because I don't smoke dope?
These were allegations made against non users on that thread....
So would you encourage me to try Marijuana or would you tell me it wasn't worth the bother?
Why would you encourage me? Do you really believe usage is beneficial? Would you feel totally at ease with yourself for starting up someone on Marijuana? Would your conscience be totally clear??
If not, then why not? What about being a user would put you off encouraging someone else to join you in your pastime? | |
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Travan
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 6:37:53 AM | I tried it years ago and I really couldn't see the point.
I think it's more about a perceived lifestyle for those who want something different.
It does have analgesic properties which have not yet been investigated in great depth, but as a pasttime smoking it, I wouldn't necessarily knock all those that do but at the same time it's not for me.
It's about lifestyle and I'd have to type reams to explain my personal feeling about it. | |
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Pud78
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Joined: 4/23/2009
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:02:37 AM | | I would never encourage anyone to do drugs and I don't think anyone really should. Would someone start a thread encouraging someone to smoke cigarettes? the pluses minuses for both are well known and surely as adults we can make the decision for our selves. If a friend did drugs and they offered them to me, I would politely decline, if they then tried to encourage me and make me feel like I am missing out, end of friendship! | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:04:42 AM | This is what I am trying to work out, if as people say, it is so undamaging and such a positive experience, then why wouldn't they encourage others to partake?
If you found the elixir of youth, surely you would share that?
Redundant? Anyone care to point out where this specific point has been debated? | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:07:19 AM | id say give it a go if you want to try it pants, each to their own but if youre happy in life as it is without it why bother the risk?
ill be round at 11 for that freebie  | |
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| Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:09:17 AM | So would you encourage me to try Marijuana or would you tell me it wasn't worth the bother?
No, I would not encourage you to try it and would probably tell you it's not worth all the bother mainly because of the stigma that's attached to it now and the adverse effects that some people experience. Had you asked me that question 25 years ago I may have given a very different response though.
Why would you encourage me? Do you really believe usage is beneficial? Would you feel totally at ease with yourself for starting up someone on Marijuana? Would your conscience be totally clear??
If someone asked for a puff on the joint I happened to be hypothetically smoking and that adult went on to get addicted to Marijuana.....then yes....I would feel some guilt about that, even though they made an adult choice to have a puff in the first place, just like if I offered someone a drink and they then went on to become an alcoholic....I do have a conscience.
If not, then why not? What about being a user would put you off encouraging someone else to join you in your pastime?
I think I answered that above. I wouldn't actively or intentionally encourage anyone to start smoking weed of any kind. If Marijuana was legalised then there wouldn't be the stigma of guilt and shame that goes with it and this would encourage people to be more honest with their feelings in an open way rather than in a defensive way. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:10:33 AM |
If you found the elixir of youth, surely you would share that?
I dont think anyone stated that,what they did do was give an explaination as to why they personally chose to partake in that vice,much like someone would choose to explain why they liked to drink in good company when faced with a bunch of anti drinkers ,same goes for smoking.
I doubt anyone would encourage anyone else to smoke weed just because they chose to,much the same as I wouldnt encourage my children to grow up to be smokers or drinkers.
Adults have their own minds at the end of the day and will choose their own paths. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:11:38 AM | Great thread xx
I don't smoke it, I have never smoked it, I never want to smoke it. I'm not uptight, I'm not on my moral high horse. If others want too thats their choice i choose not to do it and not to be around people who do. I had a friend who is severly fuked in the head through years of canabis smoking, friends who do it are no longer people i associate with, sitting on a sofa in a smog being unable to even bother standing up is not my idea of relaxation or a good time.
I know many will disagree, i dont care, you want to smoke, smoke.. but dont force your opinions on me or insult me because i choose not to partake of what you do. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:14:20 AM | I have a friend who I met from here, when we first met he said he knew I'd never smoked it as I was too sane - now that said something to me, that there must be side effects if it's over used.
As I said on the other thread it's not for me, never tried, never want to. I would also want to safeguard my son as I have no doubt that use of soft drugs will lead to exposure to harder ones; it's 20 years since a friend of my brother died from an accidental heroin overdose and I can't forget that. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:14:34 AM | I don't believe that it's appropriate for one person to impose their own beliefs on the matter to another person and try to persuade them one way or another.
To me the concept of persuasion in this issue as ludicrous as trying to convince someone who prefers apples that oranges are actually tastier. As with many things in life this is simply a matter of personal choice.
If you want to snoke pot then smoke it. If you don't like it then don't do it or associate with people who do. It's simple really. Live and let live. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:17:37 AM |
This is what I am trying to work out, if as people say, it is so undamaging and such a positive experience, then why wouldn't they encourage others to partake?
I'm sure people do encourage others to use cannabis otherwise how would anyone start in the first place. As for someone's conscience being clear, you can be offered it, you obviously don't need to say yes to trying it. Or decide to try it again.
No drug will affect two people in exactly the same way anyway, what one person might enjoy and get for them a positive experience, it might make another person feel ill and say never again to.
A lot of people may experience cannabis at a party for example where cannabis is being passed around, some people might smoke a joint every 6 months, I've worked with young people who smoke it daily.
And people who haven't made the transition to smoking or injecting anything else but wish that they had never started using it in the first place, for a variety of different reasons. | |
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Joe1uk
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Joined: 4/21/2009
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:23:46 AM |
I don't smoke it, I have never smoked it, I never want to smoke it. I'm not uptight, I'm not on my moral high horse. If others want too thats their choice i choose not to do it and not to be around people who do. I had a friend who is severly fuked in the head through years of canabis smoking, friends who do it are no longer people i associate with, sitting on a sofa in a smog being unable to even bother standing up is not my idea of relaxation or a good time.
I know many will disagree, i dont care, you want to smoke, smoke.. but dont force your opinions on me or insult me because i choose not to partake of what you do
as above. Each to their own but I don't want to be around them or associate with them
I'd say allegations were made yes, pretty nasty insulting ones, but not really many but non users , they tend to stick to facts and logic.
I've been in a room full of people smoking it and yes they did try to get me to smoke it properly as well as passively. All those people that smoked it have life styles that include short term partners, loss of their children, unable to hold a job.
Its been pointed out that some very successful people use weed, they're successful because they use it, if they didn't cut out the stress of their work and life they'd probably not have what they have. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:26:51 AM |
I would also want to safeguard my son as I have no doubt that use of soft drugs will lead to exposure to harder ones It is a common misconception that cannabis is a gateway drug, to harder drugs such as heroin or crack/cocaine. The gateway drug is alcohol, not cannabis.
I would not encourage anyone to use any kind of illegal drug, however, we are all adults, so if you want to smoke weed, well that is your choice.
I know people that smoke cannabis, in a recreational sense, I also know people that smoke cannabis all day, every day. They go through life stoned outta their heads. I don't care what people say, cannabis is definately addictive to some people. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:27:27 AM |
All those people that smoked it have life styles that include short term partners, loss of their children, unable to hold a job
Excuse me!! I have smoked it at some point in my life and I was married to my partner for 21 years. My son is the love of my life and I have kept the same job now for 14 years whilst training to do another one!!! | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:31:26 AM | I would say do what feels right to you. If your that curious, head off to amsterdam for a weekend. Talk to people who are doing it. Remember to read up on the side effects. If you still want to do it, do it (just remember to change your status  ). | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:33:18 AM |
It is a common misconception that cannabis is a gateway drug, to harder drugs such as heroin or crack/cocaine. The gateway drug is alcohol, not cannabis.
I agree with that. It's a simple explanation to say that because someone smokes cannabis they will look for a stronger fix and move to a harder drug. There are people out there who smoke cannabis and nothing else. There will also be drug users out there who tried heroin never having smoked cannabis. There are drug users who prefer pills such as "blues", which contain diazepam. Or cocaine. There will be people who use every drug they can get their hands on plus alcohol as well.
Where I live there are drugs everywhere, I've never actually sat and thought about how many people who deal drugs live near me but there are a few, it's common knowledge.
If someone wants to go and buy themselves a bag of heroin just to try it, or some blues or some cocaine, they don't need to have been exposed to people who smoke cannabis to want to do that.
A lot of young people think nothing of smoking cannabis, to them it's like smoking a fag, there are a lot of people who are very blase about it.
Its been pointed out that some very successful people use weed, they're successful because they use it, if they didn't cut out the stress of their work and life they'd probably not have what they have.
Josh, I really don't understand the logic on that one, having said that the people you know who smoke weed have very negative lifestyles you then go on to say that some very successful people use weed and are successful because they use it?
It may just be the way you have explained it but can you elaborate?
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:47:22 AM | Try it if you like getting very deep about things for 5 to 10 minutes and then forgetting what it was you were talking about, uncontrollable giggling fits, staring into space and dodging late night traffic at 2 o'clock in the morning just to buy a Mars bar from the all night garage.
Then there's the whitey and getting sick issues depending on your tolerance for it... One toke over the line and all that.
That was my experience of it anyway and I quickly grew out of it when I finished college.
If asked for advice I would and have warned about the cases I have seen and heard about where some who have used it would seem to become dependent on it over the years and/or would later be more inclined to go on to try harder things but then I believe that was down to what circles they mixed with as well. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:51:25 AM | I would neither encourage nor discourage any adult who hadn't got around to it. Nor would I encourage or discourage a tee-totaller to hit the drink.
I would positively discourage anyone who hadn't smoked before and was considering it though. | |
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Joe1uk
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Joined: 4/21/2009
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:52:05 AM | It was pointed out to me via pm in response to me saying that the people I know have negative lifestyles from using weed.
However if we look at the person that was used in the pm that is succesful and uses weed we'll probably find out that he hasn't used weed all his life or has had a considerably richer start to life than the negative lifestyle people. The weed is used to cut out the stress of his high end lifestyle.
Same reason many pop stars use drugs. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:52:13 AM | I must say that I am not in the slightest bit interested in trying cannabis ... I can't even cope with Nitrous Oxide (administered during labour, one puff and I chucked it back at the midwife!!) because I got freaked at the lack of control I had....
It's just that people were so vehement in their defense of the drug of choice that it made me wonder just how happy people would feel to introduce a non user to the 'joys' of cannabis use...
Would they perhaps be happy to go out and buy some for their teenage child who had expressed a passing interest but had never touched it before...??? Or would you try and steer them away???
Toughie!!! | |
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*kath*
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Joined: 9/30/2008
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:55:35 AM |
Would they perhaps be happy to go out and buy some for their teenage child who had expressed a passing interest but had never touched it before...??? Or would you try and steer them away???
That solely depends on the mentality of the person,I mean some people are happy to supply underage kids alcohol and tobacco....others like myself would not.This situation would be no different. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 8:00:29 AM | It was pointed out to me via pm in response to me saying that the people I know have negative lifestyles from using weed.
However if we look at the person that was used in the pm that is succesful and uses weed we'll probably find out that he hasn't used weed all his life or has had a considerably richer start to life than the negative lifestyle people.
Possibly, but I don't think money has much to do with drugs use. Many people who have died of drugs overdoses have been from very wealthy families.
But I agree that rich cannabis can use as much as they want and it won't affect them financially.
The weed is used to cut out the stress of his high end lifestyle.
Same reason many pop stars use drugs.
I don't agree with that part. Some people might say there are very talented people who are ruining their lives away due to their drug use, Amy Winehouse, Pete Doherty. Someone like Amy has the money to go into rehab, many people won't have that option. I wonder whether a nurse working in A and E or someone like Amy, Pete or someone like Kate Moss has the more stressful life? As for people with their kids getting taken into care, again, many people said if Kate Moss had been your working class single mum, her child would have been removed from her. | |
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Pud78
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Joined: 4/23/2009
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 8:02:44 AM | | I like the occasional drink but wouldn't encorage anybody to try it if they didn't want too and if someone says no to the offer of a drink that is where it ends. Adults know the dangers or cannabis and can make a decision for themselves. If they wanted more information direct them to the frank website which I believe is far from preachy and gives all the facts, positive and negative and wisely in my view says if you have to try it be safe and tells them how to try as safely as possibly. I am a non drug user but not anti drugs to the point that I think less of a person for using them. I am not a parent and would most certainly not encourage or get drugs for my child and would give them as much education about drugs as possible so that they can at least make an informed decision. I tried cannabis, I don't now do it it. not because I am against it, but because it did nothing for me. | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 8:09:19 AM | i thought the cannabis leads to hard drugs would come up sooner or later ...
i think that is just a popular misconception
nicotine is a link drug .... smokers are more inclined to experiemnt with weed
i wouldn't advise anyone to try smoking weed .. it's a young persons thing to experiment with .. when you are young and carefree ... | |
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| Cannabis.... Would you encourage or discourage?
Posted: 6/1/2009 8:12:21 AM | Being from the 'land of weed', you might think I have a valid opinion.
I don't.
Never appealed to me, probably because it wasn't a 'taboo' when and where I grew up, and therefore didn't feel 'naughty' and did not appeal at all.
Never tried it, never will. | |
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