| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/16/2009 5:21:50 PM | That you would have a better life, would you cross the boarder illegally? Or would you stay in Mexico and try to make your life better there? What kind of work would you look for? Anything? Or would you grow dope in the mountains of California? I would try to make my life better in Mexico first and legally get into America...But from what I gather the corruption is horrible there. If I had to support my Family by working in America and sending my money home to Mexico I would illegally cross the boarder..I would be intrested in truthful honest answers.. P.S. Yea that's what I thought let me also add that I'm aganist people illegally entering any country it's illegal but if I had to do it to survive I would. A big old double standard on my part..While I'm aganist all of the resourses we are losing due to other people that are not American citizens using them I would personally help anyone in case of emergency. O.K. Go for it don't everybody answer at once..... | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/16/2009 6:46:01 PM | i dont have too much of a problem with the ones who work.............in my experiance.....most mexicans i've seen are good hard workers.
but theres an equal number, if not more who come here ,not to work..but to sponge................pregnant women for example.who come here 83/4 months pregnant........give birth in a hospital with no means.or intent to pay........then their child is an american citizen.....welefare and everything else follows....theres the drug dealers and "workers" too.and the thieves.......you ask a tough question Byrd........i guess i'd cross too to support my family | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/16/2009 6:53:11 PM | Most of the ones that i met in california were very hard workers indeed. They know where they came from and what it means to be earning so much money so they work hard.
If i was in their shoes you bet i would swim the rio grande to a better life and people that say they would not are just not honest with themselves.
Those questionable people you mention you can find in the "american" society as well even though america is just one big melting pot now. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/16/2009 7:19:07 PM | | I'm in the construction business and I work and talk with mexicans all the times. Let me tell you that most of them don't even like to be here, they rather be with their family in Mexico. They sacrifice a lot just to be here and earn some money to feed their family. I would do the same thing. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/16/2009 7:37:35 PM | | I've only met 1 Mexican that was scared of work. However, he was raised in this country and was corrupted by our laziness. A lot of people want to complain that the Mexicans are stealing jobs from Americans and taking the food off of our plates. The same people that complain are the ones that don't want to perform the manual labor for the low pay that they recieve. Bottom line, if I were in their shoes and I could better myself... I'd cross that dotted line/fence/river etc. Isn't that what this country stands for? The land of oppurtunity? Anyone that is willing to be a productive member of society and is trying to better themselves and their family has my empathy if nothing else. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/16/2009 9:17:31 PM | I always worked as hard as I could when I had a job..Between slight brain damage, being angry as hell I couldn't seem to hold onto a job too long and I used to hate myself for it I worked with alot of Mexicans I used to love doing hard physical labor because if you could keep up with a Mexican you were worth your weight in gold..I remember one time a lemon rancher came downtown to Santa Barbara to pick up some of us bums hanging out at the employment office hopeing to catch some day labor he offered lunch, water, 3.00 dollars an hour and all the lemons we could eat..It was like 120 degrees on that mountain we lasted 3 and a half hours..Mexicans didn'teven show up, I didn't blame them...Lunch was the driest peanut butter sandwitches this side of Saint Louis...I started a rotton lemon fight alls that rancher saw from his mansion on the hill was lemons flying through the trees..We all got 12.50 cash bought beer, a roasted chicken, smokes, and alittle whiskey those WERE the good old days...Now I sit on my fat crippled ass collect disablity take medication to kill the constant pain and play the lottery, my 401K....I've been doing some reading on the real depression and those people went through hell..I just finished "The grapes of Wrath.." and dove into another called "I remember when" a self published book by a gal named Lucy Steinhaus..She was born in 1892, I don't think shes alive anymore she'd be almost 120 it was one of the better auto bio's I'VE READ. I FOUND AN AUTOGRAPHED COPY, sorry about that for .50 cents in a thrift store but they can be found on the internet for 25.00 bucks google it..What a book! Imagine working your ass off all day for a quater..Back then migrant workers were Indians and if you didn't watch them they'd rip you off blind. Payback I'm sure but it seemed most of the time this family and their neighbors were doing all the work themselves..Back then running a farm in the Midwest was true manual labor there were no tractors, no automatic shit, nothing..Not like today..You want a good read find that book..Thanks for answering my question..I kinda know alittle of that life I spent alot of time on the road when I was a "Lost" little kid, hitchiking but going no where...Oh Lord I hope Heaven is "Sugar Mountain" and there's no such thing as alcoholism... | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/16/2009 9:46:37 PM | Good question Byrd
There is a difference, of what you would do when you have your back against the wall and a family to feed and what is right.
So, if you were hungry and on the street would you turn to crime?, steal?, robe? break into homes? If you were tired of walking, would you take someone's car?
They are not breaking out of Mexico... It isn't like they are prisoners and want to escape an evil dictator.... Life is tough... and they want a better life... I get that. But do what is necessary to come her legally, don't cut line! They are breaking into America.
If you came home after work one day and a family of six just up and decided to move into your kitchen... What? this is ok?
NO of course not... But do we want to help them out? YES, we do.
But lets help the ones that are standing in line, the ones families are waiting for their loved ones who are being held up because of all the line cutters.
To answer the question... Yes I would be tempted to better myself and feed my family... But not by stealing and robbing and breaking into someone's home. Not by becoming a criminal.
And believe me... I'm not hard noised... I feel for them... But something has to give... and states like California are suffering for it.
edit:... just so people know..... when I say criminal, stealing and all that I'm not saying it literally like I think all illegals are bad people... I mean it as Illegal... is Illegal... Cutting line is not being law abiding. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/16/2009 9:53:02 PM | I'm in the construction business and I work and talk with mexicans all the times. Let me tell you that most of them don't even like to be here, they rather be with their family in Mexico. They sacrifice a lot just to be here and earn some money to feed their family. I would do the same thing.
That is my experience as well. I knew a few people who moved up here from Mexico and they said they would rather be back with their family, but up here they can make better money to support them.
They weren't lazy either. Worked 60+ hour weeks. Big families require big monies. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/16/2009 10:19:17 PM | | When I was a kid on the streets I tried to find work and sometimes I did most of the time I got stiffed sometimes I'd get a buck or two working all day..My saviors were truckers, cons, cops, women, preachers, mexicans, and african americans, and once in a great, great, while a republican... On the street most people didn't want to hire a sweet young man to work they wanted to bang his azz, and alot of kids sold their azz it was really sick I got raped and I took a life..When your hungry you would do just about anything for a meal..Yes I was a theif for along time..I rather do that than selling my rear.. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/17/2009 6:47:21 AM | I might think about:
1) Working at having not-so-big a family. Maybe if families were smaller it wouldn't take so much to support them. Many of the ones I've spoken with say they can survive just fine in Mexico. They just can't make as much down there and they want big land and a big house to retire in after working up here for a few years. I.e. - they want to get to the front of the economic line without the years of work.
2) Working to improve things in Mexico first. Yeah, they also tell me things are very corrupt in Mexico. So why aren't they doing something about it? Making money here then going back there just means corruption will eat up even more money from them, wouldn't it? | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/17/2009 10:45:31 AM | | When I was a kid there was a man who ****ed all the time about our railroad stopping the trains at the gates, holding up traffic sometimes for almost an hour the trains would be stopped..No one could get through even emergency vehicles could not get through they had to go all the way around to the next crossing a mile or so away..I'm sure many people died as a result..This guy wrote letters to everyone I think finally the feds got involved..Not too long after that this guys arm was found in a ditch by one of the neighborhood kids he was kinda spread all over town..Maybe that's why people don't do anything about corruption..The shit that's going on down there now...? How would you stop that corruption? When everyone wants a piece of it? | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/17/2009 12:31:51 PM | Cripes....I'm sittng on the fence right now Byrd. I don't know if I should make a run for the border and claim refugee status or sit tight and fight the b8stards. They already revoked my visa and passport rights....they don't want me going anywhere. So...I guess, for now, stand and fight...some more. Dam, I'm tired.
I don't think many americans complain about the Mexicans "taking jobs" that they themselves refuse to do...it is more like the Mexicans do jobs that Americans WOULD do, IF the pay was there. The Mexicans undercut them. Unions don't like that. The people who are used to making a "fair buck" for their work don't like being undercut. There is where the complaints lie. a meican can look after himself and send a few dollars home to support the family. BUT, he can't do it IF that family is there WITH him. the American dollar goes a long way in Mexico...far more than in the States! Kind of an unfair advantage there, I'd be thinking. You get a rooming house full of "day lanourers" and they can make their rent, eat, and still send money home. You get one carpenter with a mortgage, a family to feed and such....he can't compete pricewise.
This is where the whole "cheap labour" issue comes in.
As far as making your life better...I guess that depends on how bad your situation is right now! | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/17/2009 1:24:09 PM | | I am a carpenter and these illegals hurt me personally. I can't afford to work for $hit money, I want my own bedroom. I don't care if they are Russian or Irish, Brazilian or Mexican. The old lie about these folks taking jobs no one wants is tired, all these jobs had people in them before an illegal came along. My former employer went illegal and depending on the week put 8 to 14 americans out of work while evading paying taxes and workers comp. That is the real reason not because they work harder, that is also B.S. they work as hard as they have to to get the americans out then slow down. My former employer said they didn't do as good a job as we did but they were faster( they didn't use a level). He didn't mind that he screwed the other trades by putting up crooked walls, He's a republican businessman and that's the new american way. I come from from immigrant stock and they were legal and waited their turn to come here. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/17/2009 1:40:16 PM | OP...it's "border"..
Or La Frontera..
Mexico uses immigration to the US as a safety valve to release the pressure built up from their failed social policies.
Want to stop illegal or stem the tide of illegal immigration?
1) Arrest and prosecute ANYBODY that's found to employ illegal workers.
2) Make being here illegally a felony and prosecute it vigorously.
3) Pressure Mexico into making the agrarian reforms and social system reforms in their policies that are the cause of for most immigration to the US.
4) Make a 10-mile wide strip of the Mexican side of the border a DMZ that allows the US to actively intervene is suspected smuggling activities. If Mexico refuses to police its borders, then they've abrogated their sovereignty in those areas.
I suspect w/ all of those measures (and a few more) that illegal migration would slow to a trickle...and even halt in some areas.
But this will never happen...so...
If you are here illegally, you are breaking one or more laws DAILY to be as such.
If you are unwilling to attempt the legal process for coming here, then you are rolling the dice and you may "crap out." | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/17/2009 2:39:27 PM | jajjajjajajajjjajja....
We were raising Horses and Longhorn Cattle on the banks of the San Antonio River before there was a America...When the Alamo was newly built
We drove horses, cattle, and amunition to Gen. Galviz in New Oreleans In support of the French (Allies of the Patriots) battling the English. Many modren day descendant of those men, are considered Sons of the American Revolution.
We supplied horses and cattle and Sons to the fight for Texas Indepencence...Men like Lasoya, Seguin, Badillo, DeZavala, Flores are heros in Texas. Of the Only Native born Texans to die in defence of the Alamo...were names like Juan Abamillo, Juan A. Badillo, Carlos Espalier, Gregorio Esparza, Antonio Fuentes, José María Guerrero, Damacio Jimenes (Ximenes), Toribio Losoya, and Andrés Nava. And many of our Mothers, Sister and Wives are Daughters of the Republic of Texas.
There were Mexicans/Tejanos picking cotton in Mississippi 40 years after the Civil War, after Freed Former slaves left the fields and moved North. We are in the Fields today.
We also shed our blood in WWI, WWII, Korea,VietNam and all Conficts therseafter.
We continue to Serve Proudly.
Why did we come, Why did we stay ...For the same reason Your ForeFathers did. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/17/2009 2:50:06 PM | First of all, I would like to congratulate Snapington and Funky_Phantom on there attempts to try and hijack the thread from the original question.
As to the original question, I guess it comes down to this for me. Does my family have their basic needs, or are we starving to death without adequate shelter? If my family is meeting their basic needs, then I would stay and try and improve the country and make that better. If my family is starving to death and doesn't have adequate shelter, I'd find anyway to ensure they have that, including crossing the border. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/17/2009 5:49:58 PM | | I don't mind all opinions I just heard of a fella that's here that's honest..He would help anyone in need he talks about going to a place where laborers get picked up for work..And there's two kinds of illegals the honest hardworking kind and the criminals..Well I've lived here 30 years almost and I could tell you some stories and I will believe me there are bullies in every race..Then there are some people with hearts of gold that would do anything..I was a bouncer in a Mexican bar I almost got stabbed so many times I got the shit kicked out of me working one place my own white partner, and white boss left me there because I was fair to everyone in my job and they wanted me to hate Mexicans...Shit after they got through kicking the crap out of me I was A Mexican too..I didn't turn any of them in and after that day I had no problems working with Mexicans as a bouncer...Funny someone should mention Flores at the Alamo my next door neighbor for many years was Jerry Flores, who was a chacater actor who worked with John Wayne both were in the movie, "The Alamo." Flores good people...I'm sorry about my miss spelling Anyway my ex girlfriend the one that passed away a few years ago was starting to have health problems she had been an RN And she was very good at her job but had to retire young due to her health will she started going through this mid life crisis thing early and she dated this illegal alien from Mexico he was a gigglo and he took advantage of her tried to make her pregant that is what some people do when she began to resist he threatened her and I'm kinda nuts when it came to messing with her..I was going to tear the guy apart..I really loved her she was my best friend..Anyway there's good and bad everywhere..I've heard of other aliens from other countries having a hell of a time becomming American citizens..One fella had to go back while his Father was struggling through cancer, and then come back a month later..I welcome all opinions.. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/17/2009 8:27:31 PM | | I know nothing but the USA, so I would come here and I'd try to get a decent job and my citizenship. But I live where lots of Mexicans go back and forth across the boarder, many of them like living in Mexico so really, who am I to think living there is awful, I don't know anything about living in Mexico. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/18/2009 7:19:43 AM | Byrd ,, You fail to mention that there is also corruption here in America.
The county I live in is one of the MOST corrupt counties in all of these United States.
The crooks RULE here.
The cops demand protection money and anyone who refuses to pay them will end up in jail one way or another.
If you have property any of these crooks want. YOU WILL end up in JAIL.
This has happened to me several times and I was told that I will sell to them or else.
I was even told what price. $100.000.00 for commercial property worth twice that price.
It has cost me thousands of dollars to fight them on many false charges.
Mexico in not the only place where the locals have to deal with corruption." no sympathy there."
As far as them coming to this country illegally or not..
It doesn't matter what I think about it, they will be here just the same.
I wish I could go back in time and sink all of the ships the Europeans ever built. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/18/2009 7:27:36 AM |
First of all, I would like to congratulate Snapington and Funky_Phantom on there attempts to try and hijack the thread from the original question.
As to the original question, I guess it comes down to this for me. Does my family have their basic needs, or are we starving to death without adequate shelter? If my family is meeting their basic needs, then I would stay and try and improve the country and make that better. If my family is starving to death and doesn't have adequate shelter, I'd find anyway to ensure they have that, including crossing the border.
Didn't attempt to "hijack" this thread
DID attempt to bring some clarity in why I would probably notify law enforcement if knew that illegal aliens ..from whatever country... were here.
You break the law...you're a criminal.
You get caught...you pay the price. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/18/2009 8:56:45 AM | This is a difficult subject --- Mexico is ripe with poverty, crime and low skilled labor that cannot come out of its hole.. I feel very sorry for any Mexican who is a good person with a genuine interest in bettering themselves --- one who is clean, drug free and seeking an education. There must be some way to better screen these people--
however many are just so miserable they just want to run out of that country.no matter the consequences, and unfortunately many of them are also people who have learned to live a life of crime and drugs..many of whom end up in California.
When I'd heard that California was considering doing away with its welfare system, I was appalled and called to ask my brother what he thought--- he basically said, "good, get rid of all those illegal mexicans - they're eating up the state's revenue" "let them leave California then".. sure but THEN WHAT? lol I replied, and "GO WHERE?"
The problem is cyclical --- Mexican labor has its positive side as well ... its cheap labor and they work hard for the most part. Also, dont the Mexican people deserve a chance to better their lives? Why is it that Mexico is so poor with such low standards, when the US and Canada have so much? I just dont get it. Shouldnt there be enough to go round for all of us?
Whatever the outcome, we wont be able to ignore them forever-- they wont just go away... they are our neighbors and eventually their conflicts will merge into our own. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/18/2009 9:21:30 AM |
When I'd heard that California was considering doing away with its welfare system, I was appalled and called to ask my brother what he thought--- he basically said, "good, get rid of all those illegal mexicans
Is your brother a native Califronian?...Does he just want mexicans to go away or are ilegals from other countries ok?
Just a note- there have been so many companies big and small come into California, fatten their coffers and move out of State to a State less regulated so the can again reap the rewards, but not stay for the long haul to help ...thru taxes , when hard times happen.
But I guess there have always been that type...cut and run when times get tough.
To place all of California's whoas at the feet of ilegals is Super Naive | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/18/2009 9:30:42 AM |
To place all of California's whoas at the feet of ilegals is Super Naive
Very naive indeed. A California company has just recently taken up residency in my town and is looking to hire a couple hundred employees. I believe that they will get those employees and QUITE POSSIBLY shut down their operations in California. After all, the labor is cheaper here and almost NO UNIONS exist. This move has nothing to do with illegal immigrants.........it is more to do with CHEAPER LABOR.
That said. I believe that I would make that move across borders if I knew that it would be the best opportunity for my family.
The reason we have so many problems with illegal immigrants is that our own government has made it way too easy on them as a way of appeasing corporations who want CHEAP LABOR. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/18/2009 10:10:59 AM | | I didn't fail to mention the corruption in any other country as I was focusing on what someone would do if they were in the place of illegals aliens crossing the border from Mexico into the United States..I know our country is very corrupt..But the corruption in Mexico is in plain sight as there are several serial killers operatating near the border killing women..People being kidnapped held for ransom some our killed, and drug wars between the cartels and police it's alittle more obvious over there right now...Americans are not crossing the border into Mexico for a better life with better wages, unless they are wanted by the law....I also know that much of the corruption we have over here prevents our lawenforcement from doing anything about problems at the border...My opinion. | |
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