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 Bluesman2008

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Posted: 6/23/2009 5:51:18 PM
This should be an interesting program.


Robert Hastings, author of UFOs and Nukes,

to appear on Larry King Live on July 3, 2009

Noted UFO researcher, lecturer and author Robert Hastings will make his second appearance on CNN's Larry King Live on July 3, 2009. Hastings will discuss important declassified U.S. government documents which confirm a decades-long UFO-Nukes Connection that began with some 150 reports of UFO activity at the Los Alamos atomic weapons laboratory as early as December 1948. According to one FBI document, dated January 31, 1949, these incidents were “considered top secret by the army and the air forces.”

On July 16, 1945, Los Alamos had secretly tested the first atomic bomb in the desert near Alamogordo; bombs two and three were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan on August 6th and 9th respectively, thus ending World War II and ushering in the Nuclear Age. Not long thereafter, according to the declassified documents, someone piloting “flying discs” or “flying saucers” began to monitor America’s atomic and thermonuclear weapons program on an ongoing basis.

Information uncovered by Hastings and other researchers reveals that intermittent UFO surveillance of Los Alamos, and other nuclear weapons-related sites, continued throughout and the Cold War era and beyond, occurring as recently as 2006. One Air Force document declassified in 1977 reveals that several UFOs maneuvered near a number of Minuteman nuclear missile sites outside of Malmstrom AFB, Montana, in November 1975. Some of those objects, which alternately hovered and flew around at high velocity, were also tracked on radar and chased, unsuccessfully, by jet fighters. One UFO was reported by missile security personnel to have an “orange white disc” appearance.

These dramatic incidents occurred some six years after the Air Force closed down Project Blue Book—its supposedly definitive UFO investigation—claiming that it had terminated the project because there was no evidence that UFOs posed a threat to national security. However, another now-declassified USAF document states that “Reports of unidentified flying objects which affect national security...are not a part of the Blue Book system.” Of course, the American public was never officially informed of this fact, which only became known after the document’s release years later. Researchers now have evidence that national security-related UFO incidents, including the missile base cases, were actually investigated by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI) and various counter-intelligence groups.

Hastings will also present stunning testimony from a few of the 100-plus former or retired U.S. Air Force personnel he has interviewed, who were involved in one or more of UFO incidents at nuclear missile sites over the years. According to those sources—which include missile launch officers, targeting officers, and maintenance personnel—missiles malfunctioned on a number of occasions, at different bases during the 1960s and ‘70s, just as UFOs were sighted hovering above their underground silos, or above their launch control facilities.

In other words, if nuclear war with the Soviet Union had erupted during any of those incidents, the affected missiles—which displayed what the Air Force refers to as a “Guidance and Control NO-GO” error—would have sat useless in their silos.

Even more shocking than those cases is the incident reported by former Minuteman missile launch officer David H. Schuur, who was stationed at Minot AFB, North Dakota, in the mid-1960s. According to Schuur, late one night, a UFO actually activated most of the ten missiles he controlled. At the time, he was in the underground Echo Flight Launch Control Capsule, receiving frantic calls from missile security guards topside, who were reporting an extremely bright object in the sky which rapidly moved from missile to missile, briefly hovering over each one. As the UFO lingered, that particular missile’s “Launch in Progress” button suddenly lit up on the control panel in the capsule. Schuur states that he had to quickly press an "Inhibit" circuit button to override the launch command apparently being sent to each missile by the UFO.

Schuur told Hastings that he does not know whether the missiles would have actually launched, had he not disrupted their countdown sequence, because several other “spurious indicators” had simultaneously appeared on his missile-readiness display panel. Significantly, a nearly identical incident occurred in Soviet Ukraine, on October 4, 1982, according to two retired Soviet Army officers interviewed by ABC News in 1994. The reporter, David Ensor, later worked at CNN as the network’s Chief National Security Correspondent.

Hastings has researched the UFO-Nukes Connection since 1973 and has been invited to speak about his findings at over 500 U.S. colleges and universities since 1981. He has just returned from two international lectures, in Stockholm Sweden and Curitiba, Brazil. His book, UFO and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites, is available ONLY at www.ufohastings.com

The July 3, 2009 Larry King Program:

First half:

Guests include James Fox, Fife Symington, General Wilfred De Brouwer and Edgar Mitchell.

Fox is a filmmaker whose UFO documentary "Out of the Blue" is considered to be a "must-see" by Hastings and many other researchers.

Symington is the former governor of Arizona, and a former USAF officer, who saw a mile-wide, boomerang-shaped UFO with a string of bright lights on its leading edge, move silently over Phoenix on the evening of March 13, 1997. This object was officially explained away by the U.S. Air Force as several military flares dropped from helicopters. Symington kept his silence about the dramatic sighting for nearly a decade. Hundreds of other people in Phoenix have reported seeing the same huge object that night.

De Brouwer is a retired Belgian Air Force general who publicly announced, on June 22, 1990, that the BAF had flown numerous UFO-intercept missions in 1989 and 1990. Some of the UFOs were tracked on radar, performing maneuvers that would have destroyed any known aircraft.

Edgar Mitchell is a former NASA Apollo astronaut who walked on the moon. He has recently stated that the U.S. government knows that UFOs exist and are extraterrestrial.

Second half:

Guests include Hastings, Fox, Seth Shostak, Bill Nye.

Shostak is an astronomer with the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) Institute and a UFO debunker.

Nye, best known as "Bill Nye the Science Guy" is a science-explainer and a UFO debunker.
 hellgremlin

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Posted: 6/23/2009 6:34:09 PM
That's some interesting stuff.

Wonder which idiot flagged this thread for deletion.
 Bluesman2008

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Posted: 6/23/2009 6:41:57 PM
LOL. Three guesses.
 las_ky4

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Posted: 6/23/2009 6:48:43 PM
Sounds interesting...thanks for the heads up.
 TaiChiJohn

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Posted: 6/23/2009 7:02:13 PM
In this month's "Scientific American" (July 2009): page 33; Michael Shermer, "What Skepticism Reveals about Science":



"The null hypothesis means that the burden of proof is on the person asserting a positive claim, not on the skeptics to disprove it. I once appeared on Larry King Live to discuss UFOs (a perennial favorite of his), along with a table full of UFOlogists. King's questions for other skeptics and me typically miss this central tenet of science. It is not up to the skeptics to disprove UFOs. Although we cannot run a controlled experiment that would yield a statistical probability of rejecting (or not) the null hypothesis that aliens are not visiting Earth, proof would be simple: show us an alien spacecraft or an extraterrestrial body. Until then, keep searching and get back to us when you have something."
 normaldude

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Posted: 6/23/2009 7:47:03 PM
its all just talk until the ufo lands on the white house lawn and a space dude walks up to obama and says..... yo bro, wasssssup?!
The muddled waters on this are so churned up that short of a direct contact on tv and witnessed by live persons in the thousands almost nobody would believe it. Many dont even believe we went to the moon.... I just wish a "higher" intelligence would come here and stop all the carnage all over our little messed up world
 Mister Logic

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Posted: 6/23/2009 7:49:48 PM
The existence of UFOs (i.e., Objects that are sometimes seen Flying in the sky, and which cannot be positively identified) is a tautological "fact". (Otherwise, there would be only IFOs and no UFOs. ) But whether or not any of these "UFOs" are of extraterrestrial origin... of that possibility I remain an agnostic.

Many of the UFO sightings are merely the result of inexperienced observers. (I've interviewed some of those observers on my show.) Some "sightings" are even intentional hoaxes. But the rest? It's hard to believe that they are ALL so easily and mundanely explained away.

...show us an alien spacecraft or an extraterrestrial body. Until then, keep searching and get back to us when you have something.

Yes, I agree. But that is easier said than done. Do you think that an "entity" with sufficiently advanced technology and capabilities would be so careless as to let itself get caught so easily?

Imagine, if you will, a primitive tribe living somewhere in a remote part of the jungle. Every so often, a National Geographic airplane flys over to observe them. One or more of the natives see this strange object flying in the sky and they run back to report their sighting to the chief. But he merely replies: "Bah! Bring to me one of these strange birds, either alive or dead. Until then, keep searching and get back to me when you have something."
 Bluesman2008

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Posted: 6/23/2009 8:00:34 PM
Actually thousands HAVE seen a UFO over Phoenix some time back. Of course the military immediately tried debunking the sighting as "flares"...(i.e., the usual nonsense) because they're not yet willing to admit the truth to the American public. There have been so many sightings all over the world in the last 50-60 years, no one can deny that people are seeing something that is not earthly. Reports from trained military observers are all over the place. One of the incidents that will be discussed on the show is the disabling of nuclear missiles in the U.S. by ET craft. Read about the incident at Minot Air Base. These are NOT reports from lunatics in the streets. Ignore them if you will. I choose not to.
 stargazer1000

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Posted: 6/23/2009 11:11:04 PM
Well, just got back in from spending an evening with my telescope. Lots of great stuff but no UFOs.
 Funcuz

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Posted: 6/24/2009 12:26:48 AM

Wonder which idiot flagged this thread for deletion.

Well it's not science nor is it philosophy. Too bad we don't have a section for stupid crap like this that gullible people who talk to their corn flakes can start threads in.
 Bluesman2008

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Posted: 6/24/2009 1:32:51 AM
Funcuz if you're not interested, why just buzz off. Well, now we know who the idiot is.
 Mr Willow

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Posted: 6/24/2009 6:48:05 AM

its all just talk until the ufo lands on the white house lawn and a space dude walks up to obama and says..... yo bro, wasssssup?!


Unfortunately according to the skeptics this would not be proof. Skeptics require a captured alien spacecraft, or dead alien.


proof would be simple: show us an alien spacecraft or an extraterrestrial body
 Mr Willow

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Posted: 6/24/2009 6:55:46 AM
Whats interesting is that at the same time as the US was encountering UFO's over their nuclear facilities, the USSR was reporting exactly the same phenomena.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc465.htm
 hellgremlin

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Posted: 6/24/2009 7:19:14 AM

Well it's not science nor is it philosophy. Too bad we don't have a section for stupid crap like this that gullible people who talk to their corn flakes can start threads in.

But it is fun to discuss. So, stow the internet rent-a-cop act. I'll always vote 'do not delete' when faced with petty censorship.
 stargazer1000

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Posted: 6/24/2009 8:31:03 AM
Actually, a friend of mine had an interesting observation. Whenever a government (i.e.the U.S. and Britain) when they are about to do something stupid or want to create a distraction, release a UFO report.

Weapons of mass distraction?
 Mister Logic

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Posted: 6/24/2009 8:51:11 AM

Well it's not science nor is it philosophy. Too bad we don't have a section for stupid crap like this that gullible people who talk to their corn flakes can start threads in.

There have been many thousands of UFO sightings, indicating that SOMETHING real is going on (even if it may ultimately end up being nothing "out of the ordinary"). On the other hand, to the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever actually seen or photographed "God". And yet, these forums don't seem to object to discussions about that mythical entity.
 stargazer1000

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Posted: 6/24/2009 9:23:24 AM


its all just talk until the ufo lands on the white house lawn and a space dude walks up to obama and says..... yo bro, wasssssup?!


Unfortunately according to the skeptics this would not be proof. Skeptics require a captured alien spacecraft, or dead alien.


As a definite skeptic in UFOs, I'll concede that, if an alien lands his spaceship in a public space, pops out, submits to some basic biological tests, and says "Yes, we were the ones sticking probes up people's poopers," that UFOs exist. No one has to die. And I'm going to guess that an alien has something better for vehicle security than that steering wheel baton.
 hellgremlin

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Posted: 6/24/2009 9:40:50 AM

And I'm going to guess that an alien has something better for vehicle security than that steering wheel baton.

Whether alien or terrestrial in manufacture, never underestimate the ability of Washington D.C. citizens to hotwire a vehicle. One moment the alien's going into the white house to greet the president; the next, his graviton flux arrays are replaced by cinderblocks.
 Funcuz

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Posted: 6/24/2009 2:35:08 PM
Hey Bluesman,

How old are you ? Amazing. What's even more amazing is that you still haven't figured out what a dictionary is or what it does.
 Bluesman2008

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Posted: 6/24/2009 5:28:45 PM
From funcuz' bio:
Profession - I stalk paranoid people and whisper in their ear.


Two words - grow up.
 desertrhino

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Posted: 6/24/2009 6:16:54 PM
Y'know... I hate to be a maven, but dragging someone's bio into forum discussions, quite aside from being a lame-ass ad hominem attack, is distinctly tacky. Just saying, is all.

vvv Nope, that was tacky, too. However, spelling and grammar are an important part of a discussion, so I can see the point of it. I mean, I can't understand that Scot that babbles and then mutters something about muffins AT ALL, because his grammar is incompatible with my understanding of the English language.
 Bluesman2008

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Posted: 6/24/2009 6:24:20 PM
And this isn't?


Hey Bluesman,

How old are you ? Amazing. What's even more amazing is that you still haven't figured out what a dictionary is or what it does.


Who the hell does he think he is? And I think your defending him is what's tacky.

You and your little friend come into EVERY discussion like this and all it crap. Well, I have a flash for you. There are people in the world who don't and if you think it is, why not just post your pearls elsewhere instead of insulting everyone else who IS interested?
 TaiChiJohn

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Posted: 6/24/2009 6:55:36 PM
On a lighter note;

I am reminded of the proverbial dog chasing the car down the road: even if it does catch the car, what does it do then? And what does the car do?

Just saying, the "us versus them" mentality surrounding the UFO debate - skeptics versus believers - seems to always leave out that important element: IF there are extraterrestrial intelligences visiting this planet AND someone manages to prove this, well, what are you going to do about it? Complain somewhere? Charge them a fee? Sell them stuff?

Because it seems to me that if it were the case, they must pretty well be doing what they feel like doing and do not seem at all inclined to act otherwise.

And even the old "I told you so" won't hold any value because, obviously nothing has been proven so far which means that we haven't been told anything to date.

So... ? What's up with all of that? Are we maybe just looking at the difference between: "It seems probably that there might be life elsewhere in the universe: there is a very good chance that we are not alone", and, "Um ya there are other intelligent species but they don't think too much of us and just come here to piss around a bit, for lack of anything better to do with their time."

What kind of reality do UFOlogists expect to see kick in should the existence of extraterrestrials be proven, given the way things have played out already?
 Bluesman2008

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Posted: 6/24/2009 8:23:00 PM
The "reality" (as you put it) that I expect to see is that they have much to offer us. BUT, I think one of their priorities is to prevent the weaponization of outer space. If you noticed, the spate of UFO sightings in the last 60 years or so coinciding with man's developing atomic weapons is, from my perspective, no coincidence. The fact that there have been documented sightings around nuclear facilities all over the world and NOT just the US is no coincidence. I used to speculate that they've adopted a hands off policy as long as man's inhumanity toward man is confined to this planet (which we're destroying by the minute). But now that we've made baby steps into outer space, we're encroaching on THEIR turf now and that has become a concern. By the way, the sightings around military military bases have been extremely well documented with not only military witness sightings (the reports are all there for people to read if they're really interested) but, in many instances by radar traces confirming the sightings.

I think one reason the US doesn't want to admit their presence is that they don't want to openly admit that (a) they ARE here and have been for a very long long time, but most importantly (b) they don't want to admit that there's absolutely nothing they can do about it.

But then it's also true that any sentient beings with the technology they possess must not have evil intentions because if they did, we would simply cease to exist.

I think, in response to the question "why here and not, for example, Saturn or some other planet". First, we're inhabited by sentient beings, albeit relatively backwards in their terms of societal development, but we also have a rich and varied culture they think is (eventually) worthy of an eventual cosmic coming out party. As far as their going "public" (at least more public than they have been) I predict that's going to happen before the end of next year.

Taking all this in without having truly studied the phenomena, I know exactly what it sounds like and that doesn't concern me. I think our collective "shoot first and ask questions later" mentality is what keeps them at a distance and, for that, I can't blame them. They are a distinct threat to the military mentality here that runs the show and believe me when I tell you, the notion scares the crap out of the military.

But what bothers me is the government coverup. Roughly eight years ago, I sent an FOIA request to all of our government and intelligence agencies requesting every document in their possession relating to the ET contact and made it extremely broad. What I got shocked me - literally reams and reams of report with over 80% of the content blacked out. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out what that means. The government WILL soon be forced to come clean and they are NOT looking forwrd to that because they will then be proven to have lied to the public for all this time. Sure they have their own rationalizations for doing so, but it's all BS.

Other countries are a little more up front with the way they've dealt with the phenomena. Canada, France and the UK have finally made their records public all within the last two or three years. Everyone is ahead of us in that regard. Of course our government has been lying to us for a long time and I don't see that changing soon unless the public demands it. Those documents are quite telling although few have had the interest to peruse them and continue to mock the notion (people like funcuz and others here) and they're talking out the wrong orifice because they simply don't know what they're talking about. The bottom line is that the dots are all out there to be connected given the willingness to do so.

For people who are really interested, for starters, google Robert Lazar and Groom Lake (Area 51) for starters. Take the time to read the book "Faded Giant" by Robert Salas and James Klotz. I got my copy online at Amazon. It will be an eye opener. The old cliche "none are so blind as those who refuse to see" seems apropos here. We're living in interesting times. There is far more circumstantial and direct evidence that sentient beings are and have been visiting our little blue marble for a millenia more than exists for the existence of god and, last I heard, billions of people believe in that. Go figure.
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Posted: 6/24/2009 8:39:20 PM
Larry King, king of the credulous. If he married Oprah he'd become the emperor of woo.

And Bluesman, I love how you call actual testable hypotheses based on objects we know to exist (i.e., flares) "the usual nonsense," and yet positing mysterious alien beings who come here to probe our anuses only from seeing lights in the sky or trodden-down cornfields is somehow plausible.
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