| Investing anyone?
Posted: 6/29/2009 4:40:37 PM | Anyone here enjoy investing and managing their own portfolios?
If so, what are your views the current market, why, and how are you adjusting your portfolio accordingly?
As for myself, I have just recently shifted from a bullish to stagnant/bearish perspective, and I have hedged my portfolio to make modest gains if the market goes down or sideways. I am playing it very conservatively, however, as I am waiting for further indication of a downward trend until I start shifting more of my assets towards a a more significant short position. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2009 6:31:08 PM | | try overseas markets. Especially China and the far east markets. A real growing concern. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2009 7:29:09 PM | | I prefer just investing in my own business. Even after accounting for my own labor, the return is hundreds of percent per year. And no bank-breaking broker fees! | |
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| Investing anyone?
Posted: 6/29/2009 7:39:56 PM | | I am but I honestly have no idea what I'm doing. I just like it when I collect all the profits. (which I have been) | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 2:16:58 PM | I worked in finance for a bit myself. When you see and understand what really goes on in our markets you tend to avoid the market a little more, not out of paranoia but more out of common sense.
Market fluctuation has a lot to do with our derivatives markets. This is essentially the gambling market of finance.
What happens is the big guns at the top of the ruling entities buy up a bunch of stocks (trillions worth) created by a lot of companies who are simply shells and don't actually do anything as a company. Through the media the companies are presented to have bright futures. As the prices of the stock go up the public starts to buy up these cheaply bought stocks for high prices. As the price goes up more and more of the public buy in and they get excited. At this point the rulers buy a bunch of shorts (basically betting the price will drop greatly and they get paid huge) They then, through manipulation, drop the prices of the stocks to a point where the companies are bankrupt. The public loses all their money and it all goes to the offshore bank accounts of these big guns.
This isn't limited to the derivatives markets, it happens everywhere. The market is manipulated completely by these people and only 10 - 15 minutes of research and observation can make this quite clear.
We can see that a lot of the public is catching onto this truth. Hence the continued lack of confidence in the market during this created recession. This will continue on through the remainder of this year as we come nearer to a depression. We see a lot of countries coming forward now demanding a one world currency. We see auditing of the federal reserve and canadian mint going on. The manipulation is coming to the public eye and its going to dissolve our current financial structure. Before we dismiss this as impossible do a little bit of research on whats goin on in foreign markets as well as with currencies around the world.
My 2 cents.
Joe | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 3:06:31 PM | | I firmly believe in commodities like copper, zink, precious metals and agricultural commodities. Inflation will hit with a massive hammerblow sooner or later. Then it is better to have commodities than paper money. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 3:13:24 PM | icsvortex is on the right track.. ever thought of gold and silver? When paper money collapses, gold and silver will be the means of trade.. also, check out the use of silver in production plants.. HUUGE commodity.
My money's on gold and silver. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 10:51:00 PM | My RRSP has dropped by a third, I haven't invested in years as I saw this nightmare coming.
gotta love Canadian maple Leaf gold & silver, .9999 pure.
don't forget the 1966 & earlier silver dollars too.
There's silver in our plates for our 2 colour presses. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 11:08:52 PM | honestly the only thing i invest in right now is the gold and silver market. mostly gold due to the increase of demand. its been the highest point in years and it very active. it has a steady up and down flow which is easy to manage and keep track of the goods.  | |
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Posted: 7/3/2009 7:53:43 PM | I have to disagree. All roads point to a deflationary, not inflationary, environment for quite sometime. Gold has been a suckers investments over the past 12 months and so have most inflation-based investments.
Monday's a big day in my opinion. If investors show resilience and continue to buy I think we will see the market trade sideways until major earnings are released. If investors show fear, however, watch out below... | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 11:02:06 AM | My $.02
The extent of my investing is my 401(k) and Roth IRA. Both are about 80/20 between mutual funds and bonds. I have over 20 years to go, so I just keep plugging away, rebalancing every now and then. I figure one of two things will happen:
1) Over the long run, the US and our economy will be successful, and I'll get roughly historical rates of return, and everything will be fine.
2) The US and the world economy is done, and I really should be buying rice and beans and ammo and 90% silver, in which case we're all screwed no matter what. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 11:13:12 AM | | I'd lean towards option 2... (but there are a lot of unknowns). There's nothing wrong with planning for worst case scenarios. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 2:35:30 PM | I would highly advise against investing in mutual funds. The fee's are too high and they often perform poorly. A basic index fund will serve you better over the long run.
Our economy will not fail. You have to realize that everything is relative. We may rely on China to finance our extravagant spending, but they rely on us to fuel their economic growth. I've been to China, and trust me, they are years upon years away from being able to sustain an independent economy. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2009 12:21:04 AM | Be extremely careful of what you're investing in. Some days ago I posted regarding a massive (and potentially catastrophic) mortgage reset coming due between 2010 and 2012. Then today, this finally made headlines:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090805/bs_nm/us_usa_housing_deutschebank
Exactly what I was talking about. It doesn't just have to do with houses, but has the potential to affect the economy all over again from the top to the bottom. Once this hits, all the fiddling around with the bailouts, insurers and assumptions could seem like kids' games in comparison. This batch of failures involves more expensive homes with higher balances and because of when they were purchased - an absolutely huge downside.
As soon as enough of these folks walk away from their homes, institutions will disappear overnight. Consider the effect of 25 or 50 billion dollars worth of mortgage promises simply going up into thin air. That's a mere fraction of the value of the affected homes. So...position yourself accordingly well before then. Once it happens, it's too late to go scrambling to safety.
On Wednesday, even as officials were proclaiming an upturn in housing starts, home values, etc....the 12th largest private bank in the country closed its doors after being raided by the FBI. It was one of the most active FHA lenders in the country. A few hours later, they announced they have ceased doing business...period, leaving hundreds of in-process loans in limbo. Only two days earlier, they had sent out the usual daily notices to loan brokers around the country with no clue what (the bank knew) was about to happen. | |
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| Investing anyone?
Posted: 8/6/2009 9:05:00 PM | | What is an example of a deflation-based investment? | |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 12:20:11 PM | Over the past few weeks, some have been telling you that now is the time to get your money into the markets, as the bottom is behind us and profitability is ahead? I can't find those threads now - looks like they may have been deleted, but each time, I said to use caution, as speculative profit-takers would wait and suddenly pull the plug at the peak of optimism. That had the potential to leave you in an even worse position than before.
This is the kind of activitiy I was talking about:
"Insiders Sell Like There's No Tomorrow"
http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/10/news/economy/insider.sales/index.htm?postversion=2009091107
What do these people - who are privy to the most current details of what is happening within companies - know that they aren't making public? Yet they're quietly scooping their money out, leaving yours behind to take the risk.
This is not the time to be gambling in the biggest casino in the world - there's very little upside and still enormous downside. The exception being if you had been betting against the market all along - it's far too late to start that now. | |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 12:27:26 PM | being your own broker is like being your own lawyer.
bad idea. | |
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