| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 1:46:37 AM |
I was reading on another forum and an interesting question arose....................
If someone has unnatural sexual thoughts about children but doesn't carry these urges out are they still guilty of paedophillia ?
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 1:49:00 AM | | No it makes them a latent paedophille with the potential to be one under the wrong circumstances. | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 1:50:33 AM | | is it our actions or thoughts that define who we are ... | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 1:58:36 AM | God I'd be in prison a hundred times over if we were judged on our thoughts. Ive wanted to do terrible things to people who've upset me! I would never carry them out.
Its a good question though as paedophilia is such a hideous crime. What about people who look at pornographic images of children on the net but have never actually touched one. That's seen as something more serious. Its just that you cant see our thoughts, | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 2:05:32 AM | We are cousins of the chimps and binobos are also closely related...Binobos practise same sex, child sex, infact, sex is a way of saying "hello" in their society...
Move up a few evolutionary millenia and child sex, as well as same sex was widely practised in the not so distant past...Even up to Victorian times (child prostitution)...
It's only our judeo christian beliefs that hold us back from our primeval ancestral urges and make them abhorant...
And no, neither of them are not for me thank you very much... | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 2:15:44 AM | | Depends on how strong the urge is. If they, or someone else considers them to be a risk then can still go to prison without sentence as a place of safety. | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 2:20:44 AM | You could be right mac, as the intent is there. Think most of us have thought of killing someone or having our wicked way but never carry them out due to being caught but intent is still there.
kids are for clipping round the ears when bored and locking in cupboards  | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 2:25:22 AM | | I completely agree with joef. They're just controlling their urges for now and probably will act upon them one day | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 2:30:20 AM | | Equally I've had unspeakable thoughts about what I would like to do to people who have wronged me but does that also make me a potential killer? | |
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Travan
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Joined: 11/23/2008
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 2:38:29 AM | If we were 'guilty by thought' the majority of human kind would have to be killed.
What defines us is what we attempt and what we achieve, not what we think. | |
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Scints
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Joined: 6/11/2009
Msg: 11 | |
| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 2:45:01 AM | Got me thinking now.
I do agree that people looking up child porn, and fantasising constantly about it are a threat, but what about people who love watching violent films, clips on video etc. Does this make them dangers to society when they don't actually carry it out? | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 2:49:22 AM |
It's only our judeo christian beliefs that hold us back from our primeval ancestral urges and make them abhorant...
True.....in Spain, the age of consent is 13 - here, that would class one as a paedo..
God I'd be in prison a hundred times over if we were judged on our thoughts.
Same here!
If someone has unnatural sexual thoughts about children but doesn't carry these urges out are they still guilty of paedophillia ?
Yes, though not in the legal sense. | |
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tm1971
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Joined: 5/22/2009
Msg: 13 | |
| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 3:15:51 AM | | Of course. Actions always speak louder than words. Thus, the saying , "Do not do what I do, do what I say." Our thoughts reveal our character so to a degree yes. | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 3:21:05 AM | | What a brilliant thread - well done Mac. Regardless of the paedophilia subject matter, are our thoughts and deeds about anything a question of morals? If I was in a relationship but found myself really attracted to someone else would I be guilty of infidelity? I'd at least consider myself dishonest. Hmmm... | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 3:32:33 AM | Well I know there's that saying that actions speak louder than words..but even thoughts of a sexual tendency aimed at children surely isn't right?If the thought's there, its lurking in the deep sub concious why the hell would you have these thoughts if they were'nt a feeling too?It wouldn't even enter my head to think such things!
Yeh i've thought sometimes myself...OOOOh I could kill so and so ..but its passing phase more out of fustration and anger and never meant as a real threat(and quite a normal short term feeling..but sexual thoughts towards children that's just sick!) | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 4:03:05 AM |
Depends on how strong the urge is. If they, or someone else considers them to be a risk then can still go to prison without sentence as a place of safety.
Really?
Should someone be locked up for wanted to wring their kid's neck in a moment of anger or fear, even if they don't act on it.
Ever wanted to take a baseball bat to your ex partner?
Now, that's the forum cleared.
To lock someone up who has never committed an illegal act is wrong, no matter what that act is. We all have the thoughts, it is the acting on them that moves us form fantasist to criminal. Looking at child porn is acting on it BTW.
There are actually moves afoot to add a new classification of mental disorder, basically, a psychopath +, and to lock up those diagnosed with the disorder, whether or not they have committed any crime. Wrong, IMO
We are innocent of any crime until we commit that crime.
Was is this 1984 and the Thought Police? | |
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HenXX
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Joined: 6/16/2009
Msg: 17 | |
| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 4:09:08 AM | | My instant thought is yes,but on reading these posts i am not so sure.Good question! | |
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OKRob
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Joined: 6/4/2009
Msg: 18 | |
| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 4:12:32 AM | | There is no such thing as law on thoughts. I would have to say that somebody thinking about kids in that way is not a healthy person but the day that thinking about something becomes a crime it will be the day we are no longer individuals. I will also be the day that society breaks down completely. | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 4:16:37 AM | What's that film that came out about potential criminals being punished before committing any crime?? Anyway, this idea smacks a little of presuming guilt of a crime as yet uncommitted...
Thought and action are miles apart.. I've had thoroughly inappropriate thoughts about a young workmate of mine... He was 18 so not anything illegal but certainly immoral.... I'd never ever act upon those imaginings... I was young, beautiful, taut, pert and unwrinkled in them anyway so it wouldn't work in real life!! My mind has committed unspeakable acts upon this boy, my body knows better...
I've wished people dead, seriously dead, not just a passing thought but sat there, hoping every minute past their time due home that they were not at the door, meant they'd been killed in an accident, or shot, or whatever... I've fervently prayed for their death... I'd never kill them though and believe me I've had ample opportunity in recent years to 'help' this person along, with little or no suspicion coming from his death...
Our humanity comes from our ability to keep what goes on in our minds, safely locked within a fantasy prison... Anyone who says they've never had a criminal thought is either deluded or not living a real life...
*EDIT*vvvv That's the one, Minority Report...& Oooh ZG ... You are a bad boy, but I love you x | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 4:18:28 AM | This thread has me thinking of the film "The Minority Report"...
Having thoughts of committing illegal acts doesn't (IMO) make us guilty.. as has been said earlier it's losing control of those thoughts and acting on them that makes someone guilty. I would imagine that most folks have imagined committing a crime at some point, whether it be an act of violence against someone who has wronged us or fiddling your tax return/bennefit claim etc. The diffence is, some of have a conscience and listen to it.
^ lol , pants GMTA !! | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 4:21:29 AM |
What's that film that came out about potential criminals being punished before committing any crime?? Anyway, this idea smacks a little of presuming guilt of a crime as yet uncommitted...
It was either Minority Report or Bambi.
The trouble was, in Minority Report, the crimes DID eventually happen........except for those that didn't and appeared on the Report!
Our humanity comes from our ability to keep what goes on in our minds, safely locked within a fantasy prison... Anyone who says they've never had a criminal thought is either deluded or not living a real life...
Absolutely!
Your partner would kill me for real...... | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 4:51:37 AM | | I was at the beach over the weekend and saw a naked young child running around, i thought to myself, id like to run over there and put some cloths on it, so what exactly is my fetish about seeing children suitable dressed in a public place called again?. | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 5:13:58 AM | All crimes begin with a thought. So, if you control thought, you can control crime.
"Thoughtcrime is death.
Thoughtcrime does not entail death, Thoughtcrime is death....
The essential crime that contains all others in itself." | |
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| Guilty By Thought ?
Posted: 7/1/2009 6:41:50 AM | To have a thought to kill someone, this thought most often is provoked by another persons actions, creating anger in the one who has the thought.
Having unnatural sexual thought about children, is self driven, and selfish desires, unprovoked by another person actions towards them. These are selfish desires towards the innocence of a child. Having these thoughts in itself, is rather sick, and i would think needs professional help. To have these thoughts are paedophilia thoughts, to act on it would be guilty of being a paedophilia. To close a call. Way different than a thought to want to kill someone, but is not acted on..
Zee: There is no way that I or my two children at the age of 13 was ready to make a decision about having sex , when, where and who. This must open a door for the young girls to be openly vicitimized sexually in Spain, due to their immaturity and lack of ability to make sound decisions in this area. Of course an older boy or man can coherce a 13yr old insecure, unbalanced girl into having sex. It may be legal in Spain, but it doesnt make it right. | |
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