| Question regarding pedophiles and the law
Posted: 7/6/2009 5:07:39 PM | Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I have read and heard, it is my understanding that a pedophile cannot be rehabilitated. IF that is true, and a convicted pedophile receives a less than "Life In Prison" sentence, (i.e., 5-10-20 years) why do we release them?
Given the nature of the crime, it isn't like a bank robber recommitting the same offense. This is releasing a person that we know will hurt/sexually abuse/kill an innocent child, and the only question is when. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 5:18:44 PM | | I have to say I am in total agreement. We place too much importance on rehabing the Offender rather than protecting society from that person, a little screwed up if you ask me. | |
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| Question regarding pedophiles and the law
Posted: 7/6/2009 6:30:36 PM | I don't believe that it is impossible for someone to change, but my experience in social work and research on pedophiles says that recidivism is nearly 100%. That says as much about the mental condition as it does about our rehab programs.
I would say, let them serve their terms and then give the state the power to keep them longer if there is sufficient reason to believe the particular offender will seek out opportunity. I also think that any freedoms should come with some severe restrictions.
A 7 yo girl was raped and brutally murdered in a small town that I left 6 months ago. I felt pushed out of that town because I was shouted down by people who insisted it was safe and I was trying to make them understand there was a sexual predator, a pedophile of young girls and that he was escalating. He had evaded capture and parents were NOT reporting the assaults because the girls had gotten away. My daughter was chased twice by a man with a covered face, and he broke into the apartment. Her friends were chased, and now I learn that the man guilty of this horrible crime had chased my daughter and her friend down an alley at Christmastime when they'd gone caroling. I want to scream at these apathetic people that I told them so. The family of this girl was told it was a safe town to move to. Who told them? The very same people I argued with. The same people who told me I was making a big deal of nothing. I was called crazy because the mystery man was thought harmless. He bashed this girls' head in and stabbed her 20 times AFTER raping her.
My point is that the more they get away with, the more they escalate. There is no safe pedohile. He was identified early. He got the standard treatment. When predator kids get treated (just a few months' worth) before puberty there is an upper 90's % success rate, but states don't pay for serious treatment until after puberty when months and years of treatment has a 6% success rate.
We make our monsters and then we wave our children in front of them like candy. | |
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| Question regarding pedophiles and the law
Posted: 7/6/2009 6:41:32 PM |
I would say, let them serve their terms and then give the state the power to keep them longer if there is sufficient reason to believe the particular offender will seek out opportunity. I also think that any freedoms should come with some severe restrictions.
I agree that child molestors should have a harsh punishment. I would worry the State isn't always qualified to see through the cunning manipulation child molestors possess. These people are in my top three of society's worst. They, along with murderers and rapists but in no particular order, are evil. Bank robbers are more understandable to me. Drug dealers are more understandable to me and they have harsher penalties than pedophiles.
As to the topic, I'll try and message one of the lawyers on this site and send him this way for legal advice. | |
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| Question regarding pedophiles and the law
Posted: 7/6/2009 6:44:44 PM | As long the law treats pedophiles like criminals instead mental unfits there is nothing that can be done. If there is no life prison sentence, they must be realeased since none can be on prison for crime they aren't committed.
I believe is not depending of the law but, from the criteria for influence of the medical community which is not consensual. If they were in a mental institution, they could be hold indefinitely. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 6:54:17 PM | Our present system of justice is too slow and far too lenient. Too often the punishment given to criminal offenders does not fit the crime committed.
In our present day justice system, politics has become an increasing disruption to the process that the justice system was established to uphold.
I can only look with consternation when many of those who decry injustice in our society, vote for politicians who advocate the judicial process should be lined with arbiters of "activism", beyond a commitment to the rule of law.
Unfortunately I see it only getting worse, hopefully many will learn to protect themselves and families against the vile predators who roam America. (Politicians) | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 7:04:22 PM | Do you have any idea how many pedofiles walk the streets work in offices and hold high positions of power like police, government etc, that simply keep their thoughts to themself and dont actually commit physical acts of "pedofiling"?
In your opinion, if I look at a 16 year old girls bum, and think about touching it, but I dont because I know it would be wrong, should I be punished for thinking it? Then again if I look at a 25 year old womans bum, and think about touching it, but I dont because gee that would be inappropriate too, but thats ok? | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 7:05:19 PM | I believe in the death penalty for child abusers and pedophiles. Harsh, yes, but it works and saves a lot of children. Like the song says, hell is for children, and it's about time we started doing a better job of protecting them. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 8:31:06 PM | | daynadaze.we finally agree on something........child molesters should be shot....period..............and yes.....i could pull the trigger on a convicted child molester and sleep easy. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 9:39:23 PM | | Skoochie, I agree that other offenders receive longer sentences than child molesters, which I do not understand. I can't think of a more heinous crime and I would be interested in hearing a lawyer's answer, thank you. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 9:47:02 PM | a "thought" isnt a crime, but if it goes passed that id have a problem as well as many people would
you can think about anything, nothing wrong with having thoughts, but if those bad ones are put into actions, that is where the idea or thought becomes a problem
think anything you want anytime you want, just know whats ok to act out in real life and what isnt. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2009 5:54:27 AM | I think that often, as a society - we have put a very low premium on children. Maybe because they don't vote? And also - shame. People are ashamed when their children are molested. They are ashamed when their child shows the proclivity to be a molester. They hide it, and from it - and hope it will all go away.
The laws are what the laws are - child welfare follows the law, the lawyers and police - and the courts. Often the "officials" hands are tied - you can only do what you are allowed to do by law. You can't sentence someone to death for something that isn't a capital offense. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2009 6:45:45 AM | | We have to release them, if we didn't our jails and prisons would be even more overcrowded than they already are. It sucks but that's probably the main reason most of them get released. I recently was just playing around online and came across a website where u could find registered sex offenders in your area and I was shocked to see how many actually live around me, u can even click on their names to see what they did and a lot of them are rapists and child molesters. It makes me wonder how many times I have passed that very person in the street or in a store not having a clue that they like to look at little boys and girls.... | |
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Posted: 7/7/2009 8:36:49 AM | i saw that site too.............a couple of the names looked familiar and i clicked then..turned out...bout were 19......and both had been convicted when they were 18.........for having "relations" with their 17 yr old girlfriends.
i cant abide a pedofile....but seriously?..............those 2 guys lives are ruined........for what?..............they certainly arent child molesters.................but in the eyes of the law.......they might as well have had sex with 6 yr olds.
i know i sound like i'm flip-flopping.....but ..well...that just aint right | |
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Posted: 7/7/2009 9:32:50 AM | In Canada, the Crown has the option to file a "Dangerous Offender" request that would declare the offender dangerous to the public and incarcerate them indefinitely.
It's also important to point out that a lot of these...well, I'll call them "people"...were abused as children themselves.
"Justice" is a tricky concept. So much of this subject is emotion. We're revulsed and moved to tears by the harm that is done to children but, follow that child to adulthood, and we condemn them for committing the same act. How do you separate the victim from the offender? What if there is a way found that actually "cures" them.
As for convicting teens for having sex, I wonder how many of us otherwise law-abiding citizens could have ended up in the same boat. Well...not me, my first was an older woman when I was past the age of consent...but others. | |
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| Question regarding pedophiles and the law
Posted: 7/7/2009 3:51:22 PM |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I have read and heard, it is my understanding that a pedophile cannot be rehabilitated. IF that is true, and a convicted pedophile receives a less than "Life In Prison" sentence, (i.e., 5-10-20 years) why do we release them?
It is a flaw of the system the prison system is not about rehabilitation, it is about punishment. You commit a crime, you are caught, you are convicted, you serve your sentence, you are released(apart from capital offenses). The system has no choice but to release them.
Given the nature of the crime, it isn't like a bank robber recommitting the same offense. This is releasing a person that we know will hurt/sexually abuse/kill an innocent child, and the only question is when.
As above the system has no choice but to release them, the only difference is there is not a register of bank robbers, muggers, etc. These people have been deemed to have paid their debt to society and are free to continue their lives.
If a pedophile is required to be placed on a sex offenders register which anyone can view then why is that person released back into society? If the pedophile is barred from being within x yards of a place where children congregate(like a school) why is he allowed back into society where he can break that restriction?
If a convicted pedophile is still deemed to be a danger to society then why is he released back into that society without any safeguards to monitor his activities? | |
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| Question regarding pedophiles and the law
Posted: 7/11/2009 7:31:55 PM | Child molesters should be executed in a timely manner. There's no hope for rehabilitation, and has been mentioned, imprisoning them for life would overcrowd the prison system. Besides, they don't deserve to live.
(and no, I'm not talking about 18 year olds who had consentual sex with their 17 year old girlfriends, it's insane that that is even a criminal offense) | |
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Posted: 7/12/2009 11:05:50 PM | no we dont
for one thing, if we killed off the 1000s on death row, that makes room, and if we let go all the pot smokers, then we have more room
to be honest, A stoner isnt much a threat, but a child predator IS. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2009 7:17:50 AM |
Pedophiles should be shot.
I think our little secret is that child molestation and abuse is far-far more prevalent that we care to admit. | |
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