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 txboy46

Joined: 6/30/2005
Msg: 1
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 6:28:51 AM
I am totally ignorant of Wicca. Can someone explain?
 WiccanEnchantress

Joined: 5/31/2005
Msg: 2
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 6:44:11 AM
LoL, new generation Witchcraft, "Wiccacraft" is a product of Gerald Gardner, from 1954 I believe. I just learned this a while back myself, Im a Witch of the "old tradition" Wicca was watered down with things like Christianity, the Kaballah, Voodoo, etc. We're Pagan (Witch OR Wiccan) I used the term in my name before I thoroughly understood it. No Im a Witch of the Dianic/ Strega traditions origanaly, These are Italian in origin, however I've began studies in the Faery Tradition, and am working on the Druid Path at the moment to honor my Grammie But Ive addopted certain things From the "Gardnerian" Tradition so Id say its accurate mabey... seeing as how I dont know how to change it. Makeing me something of an ecclectic kitchen witch mabey :D
 txboy46

Joined: 6/30/2005
Msg: 3
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 6:54:29 AM
I'm lost in all the terminology, sounds complicated.
 WiccanEnchantress

Joined: 5/31/2005
Msg: 4
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 7:01:07 AM
Oh, i suppose it can be a little. I forget not everyone knows what it is. Im Pagan that means I have both a God and a Goddess. Hmmm how can I explain this....Im the woman yo mamma warned you about

No Im kidding, do you understand what "Animism" means? It's the belief that everything in nature is inhabbited by spirits. Nature spirits, tree spirits everything. Im a naturalist

The thing that throws people off is our "Horned God" He has stag antlers which symbolise his love of all things in nature, yeah "Horned God" You can imagine the first place that one goes, but I promise Im not satanic hahahahaha

LoL, the Satanists wouldnt let me join I have to bubbly of a personality, theyre to deppressing for me anyways ;)
 txboy46

Joined: 6/30/2005
Msg: 5
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 7:16:28 AM
ok, so then what are the main focuses of wicca?
 WiccanEnchantress

Joined: 5/31/2005
Msg: 6
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 7:24:34 AM
Witchcraft/Wiccacraft? Hmm a deep reverance for nature and every form of life.(or their supposed to) Theres a saying "An it harm none do as thou wilt" Which THEY'LL tell you gerald gardner came up with that, but he didnt. Deep spiritualism, spiritual growth, mental growth, Healing Magik, knowledge of magik (weather its the kind your supposed to use or not) Hmmm mainly enlightenment I suppose.
 txboy46

Joined: 6/30/2005
Msg: 7
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 8:23:26 AM
so what is your view on afterlife?
 sweetwench

Joined: 7/4/2005
Msg: 8
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 11:04:07 AM
Merry Meet and Good 'morrow to all.
I just joined this sight and was nicely surprised to see that there is a place for "alternitive religions" in thier forums. Bravo to you wiccanenchantress for such a wonderful explaination. I couldn't have said it any better. I too am an eclectic Pagan. I have learned over the years that one never stops learning unless they stop listening and seeing. And to add to what you've said we also follow the rule of three: "what thou hast done come back to thee, (3 fold) so.. I myself have tried to do the best/good in life, an practice randon acts of kindness. I also do my best to recycle as "Mother" is so full of junk now a days. Tis such a shame. . I too have been following the Fea tradition and have been very pleased with the inner balance it has givin me. SO glad to have a place to post.
Brightest Blessings,
Raven aka sweetwench
 robertpaulson

Joined: 5/12/2005
Msg: 9
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 11:22:07 AM
From the Straight Dope. Obviously this skeptical explanation is not accepted by all on here, but it is on topic and informative.

Dear Cecil:

What is the origin of the Wiccan religion? Most Wiccans you talk to say the religion is an extension of ancient, matriarchal earth worship and will attempt to turn you into a frog if you disagree. Others point to a descendancy from medieval healers and claim close kinship with all those who were burnt at the stake for allegedly conjuring up spirits, riding on brooms (there's that again), and otherwise hobnobbing with demons.

However, some say Wicca as currently practiced is a modern invention and point to the works of a follower of Aleister Crowley, one Gerald Gardner, as the actual starting point of this religion. At least these people don't attempt to magically mess with your personal space.

To my mind, linking modern Wicca with ancient paganism is like trying to assert that modern Freemasonry got its start with the building of Solomon's temple, but that's just me. Maybe you can shed some light. Patrick Malone, via AOL

Dear Patrick:

The nice thing about writing for the alternative press is that you don't have to cover a lot of boring village board meetings. However, you do occasionally get affronted letters from witches. Not that riling the Wiccans was originally my plan. It's just that every time I discuss witches in less than effusive terms, as I did a few weeks ago, I hear from folks who act like I just insulted their relatives. The assumption is that modern pagans (neopagans, Wiccans, witches--take your pick) are linear descendants of medieval witches. Some take it farther and say Wicca directly descends--in the sense of being handed down continuously from one generation to the next--from the pre-Christian, pan- or polytheistic "old religion" that was driven underground but never completely destroyed by the papist upstarts.

To put it as kindly as I can, this be wack, Jack. There is no evidence for historical continuity between the pagan religious practices of antiquity (or even the Middle Ages) and modern Wicca. On the contrary, there's lots of evidence that Wicca is a modern invention. What's more, this is cheerfully conceded by many leading Wiccans, who point to the roll-your-own character of much Wiccan ritual as one of its great strengths.

Since my credibility on this score has been called into question, let me turn to the work of the respected Wiccan writer Margot Adler. In Drawing Down the Moon: Witches, Druids, Goddess-Worshippers, and Other Pagans in America Today (1979), Adler writes, "The Wiccan revival starts with a myth, [that] Witchcraft is a religion that dates back to paleolithic times, to the worship of the god of the hunt and the goddess of fertility. . . . Today most revivalist Witches in North America accept the universal Old Religion more as metaphor than as literal reality--a spiritual truth more than a geographic one."

So how did 20th-century Wicca get started? Power of the pen, babe. According to Adler, several writers helped stir public interest in witchcraft. One was Margaret Murray, who published The Witch-Cult in Western Europe (1921) and several more books. Murray argued that medieval witches practiced an ancient fertility religion she called the Dianic cult. While this was obviously a seminal idea, as it were, Adler says that "most scholars today view her work as filled with errors." An even more controversial figure is Gerald Gardner, an amateur anthropologist and folklorist who claimed he'd been initiated into a coven in 1939 and who wrote two influential books, Witchcraft Today (1954) and The Meaning of Witchcraft (1959). Among other things, he popularized the idea that witchcraft rituals ought to be conducted in the nude, a notion that titillated the masses for years. Gardner's work contained a lot of archaic-sounding ritual, some of which supposedly originated in a 16th-century "Book of Shadows." But it's been pretty well established that Gardner, who was influenced by occultists like Aleister Crowley, wrote or commissioned most of this stuff himself.

So, is Wicca a fraud? That's such a negative way of putting it. Quite a few world religions are built on shaky stories--you think God really gave Moses the Ten Commandments on tablets of stone? Many credit Gardner with giving Wicca its contemporary feminist slant, with its emphasis on the Goddess. (In Murray's account, female witches were subordinate to a male sometimes known as the Black Man.) Personally I find the "an ye harm none" stuff a bit rich, but I'm a live-and-let-live kinda guy. Just don't go putting on airs.
 WiccanEnchantress

Joined: 5/31/2005
Msg: 10
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 1:39:53 PM
OK Robert, Let's do this....I was going to let this go..I left a short post but it was deleted, so now I'm taking it upon my self to clean Cecil's clock.



From the Straight Dope. Obviously this skeptical explanation is not accepted by all on here, but it is on topic and informative.


What ever you find that you don't practice yourself you manage to find "skeptical explanation" for. and yes it WAS strait from a dope alright...
Dear Cecil:


What is the origin of the Wiccan religion? Most Wiccans you talk to say the religion is an extension of ancient, matriarchal earth worship and will attempt to turn you into a frog if you disagree. Others point to a descendancy from medieval healers and claim close kinship with all those who were burnt at the stake for allegedly conjuring up spirits, riding on brooms (there's that again), and otherwise hobnobbing with demons.


I told you the origin of Wicca, Wicca Is its own religion, a "hybrid" of sorts it embodies "new age" philosophies with the practices of the Kabala, Christianity, Voodoo, Hoodoo, Santeria and other's. In 1954 when Gerald Gardner began writing his book, he new the the old religion would never be accepted as it was, thus "Wiccacraft" was born. I for one don't claim kinship to those burned at the stake, because 99% of the time these were Christians who couldn't go with the flow. When they weren't...entire Christian Bloodlines were cursed, wonder what sort of luck Cecil has... The myth of the "flying Witch" was "conjured" by retarded people who saw witches doing a fertility rite for crops. The best examples "demons" in any Pagan circle have been made by the poster of the post Im responding to, and these two fools he goes to for information, These examples are idiocy, stupidity, and utter closed mindedness....



However, some say Wicca as currently practiced is a modern invention and point to the works of a follower of Aleister Crowley, one Gerald Gardner, as the actual starting point of this religion. At least these people don't attempt to magically mess with your personal space.


what?



Dear Patrick:

The nice thing about writing for the alternative press is that you don't have to cover a lot of boring village board meetings. However, you do occasionally get affronted letters from witches. Not that riling the Wiccans was originally my plan. It's just that every time I discuss witches in less than effusive terms, as I did a few weeks ago, I hear from folks who act like I just insulted their relatives. The assumption is that modern pagans (neopagans, Wiccans, witches--take your pick) are linear descendants of medieval witches. Some take it farther and say Wicca directly descends--in the sense of being handed down continuously from one generation to the next--from the pre-Christian, pan- or polytheistic "old religion" that was driven underground but never completely destroyed by the papist upstarts.


Who ever said Wicca was a direct descendant of ancient Witchcraft, didn't know their their craft very well, however our ancestry is very important to us, and Cecil's idiocy that he tries desperately to pass off as knowledge is quite offensive, and Wicca IS our sister religion, new yes, but no less precious in the eyes of the Lord n Lady. Yes "Cecil" Do some research, from somewhere besides "skeptic.com" and you might learn something new...



To put it as kindly as I can, this be wack, Jack. There is no evidence for historical continuity between the pagan religious practices of antiquity (or even the Middle Ages) and modern Wicca. On the contrary, there's lots of evidence that Wicca is a modern invention. What's more, this is cheerfully conceded by many leading Wiccans, who point to the roll-your-own character of much Wiccan ritual as one of its great strengths.


First all one needs to be Pagan is see the mother goddess, nature, and the entire universe as sacred, however Gerald Gardner learned from practicing Witches. Wicca ISS a modern invention, Witchcraft as I practice it was never going to be accepted as it was, this guy is a FOOL!


Since my credibility on this score has been called into question, let me turn to the work of the respected Wiccan writer Margot Adler. In Drawing Down the Moon: Witches, Druids, Goddess-Worshippers, and Other Pagans in America Today (1979), Adler writes, "The Wiccan revival starts with a myth, [that] Witchcraft is a religion that dates back to paleolithic times, to the worship of the god of the hunt and the goddess of fertility. . . . Today most revivalist Witches in North America accept the universal Old Religion more as metaphor than as literal reality--a spiritual truth more than a geographic one."


OK, for once he's pretty close, but notice how he needs to find someone who actually knows what their talking about and use their words, Way to go Cecil! These two guys in this article working in unison SHOULD be able to do the job of 1 normal man....


So how did 20th-century Wicca get started? Power of the pen, babe. According to Adler, several writers helped stir public interest in witchcraft. One was Margaret Murray, who published The Witch-Cult in Western Europe (1921) and several more books. Murray argued that medieval witches practiced an ancient fertility religion she called the Dianic cult. While this was obviously a seminal idea, as it were, Adler says that "most scholars today view her work as filled with errors." An even more controversial figure is Gerald Gardner, an amateur anthropologist and folklorist who claimed he'd been initiated into a coven in 1939 and who wrote two influential books, Witchcraft Today (1954) and The Meaning of Witchcraft (1959). Among other things, he popularized the idea that witchcraft rituals ought to be conducted in the nude, a notion that titillated the masses for years. Gardner's work contained a lot of archaic-sounding ritual, some of which supposedly originated in a 16th-century "Book of Shadows." But it's been pretty well established that Gardner, who was influenced by occultists like Aleister Crowley, wrote or commissioned most of this stuff himself.


Gerald Gardner, took the teachings of Witchcraft and fashioned them around his life, as he was supposed to do, seldom do you find a practioner who admits him/herself to one style. However Gerald Gardner took it a step further and created an entire religion, and in so doing so he managed to save an old dieing religion.


So, is Wicca a fraud? That's such a negative way of putting it. Quite a few world religions are built on shaky stories--you think God really gave Moses the Ten Commandments on tablets of stone? Many credit Gardner with giving Wicca its contemporary feminist slant, with its emphasis on the Goddess. (In Murray's account, female witches were subordinate to a male sometimes known as the Black Man.) Personally I find the "an ye harm none" stuff a bit rich, but I'm a live-and-let-live kinda guy. Just don't go putting on airs.


"So is Wicca a fraud?" No Ceicil your a fraud! They have found new ways to make old Magik, feminism has always been a part of the female aspect of any pagan religion, that's what Paganism is, it means you worships a Goddess and God, some even only a Goddess. The Strega tradition was started by Aradia de Toscano born August 13, 1313 in Volterra Italy her mother was the Goddess Diana, So I guess that puts the Idea of goddess worship being a new thing to rest. The Goddess has been proven to have been worshiped since Megalithic and Neolithic times, so Ceicil, look it up next time will ya? Jeeze

As the teachings of Diana say, when asked who my father son and holy ghost are I will reply 3 demons, as this is all that is understood by closed minds....If this is what we need to believe I cant stop you, if it helps you and Ceicil sleep at night to be ignorant, knock yourselves out...
 rwhprism

Joined: 1/22/2005
Msg: 11
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 5:35:33 PM
Plenty of pagan religions are based on self awareness. I know I exist, maybe a plant knows that it exists. It's similar to the notion that as soon as we got into space, UFO's began to appeat everywhere. The notion that there is a spirit in everything is not new. It has been pervasive throughout recorded time.

The idea that there is a good and an evil force are equally historically based. You only appeal to the rebelious side of the human spirit to join the "other team" if you will. To claim that your religion is based on the work of Gerald Gardner is no claim to authenticity.

His grandmother was burned as a witch in the 1600's, wrote books onthe goddess aphrodite and was obviously family with pagan mythology as would any anthropologist. What made him unusual was the he was given charge by the British goverment of inspecting opium. So we have to ask ourselves: does any here remember the 60's?

Wic, know you're a bit young to remember this but hallucinagenic drugs were as popular as peanut butter and jelly. Your spiritual founder may have found spirits in everything from apples to mayonaise because everyone else at the time was finding the same thing. Not just from opiates, but LSD and pencyclidine were very popular. This was especially true of academians such as Mr. Gardner.

Would anyone be surprised to find that his heart failure at age 74 may have been brought on by external stimuli? Of course no such claim would be made by friends, family or followers. But try to remember the 60's. It's pretty well documented but tough to get a feel for unless you were alive.
 robertpaulson

Joined: 5/12/2005
Msg: 12
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 5:58:20 PM
Attention wiccan enchantress. Someone asked about Wicca, and I posted a pertinant and relevent article for him to peruse. Its not all about you.
 robertpaulson

Joined: 5/12/2005
Msg: 13
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 6:33:57 PM
And from wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia, more on topic info.

Origins
The history of Wicca is a much debated topic. Gardner claimed that the religion was a survival of matriarchal religions of pre-historic Europe (see Völva), taught to him by a woman named Dorothy Clutterbuck. Many believe he invented it himself, following the thesis of Dr. Margaret Murray and sources such as Aradia: Gospel of the Witches by Charles Godfrey Leland, and the practices of Freemasonry and ceremonial magic; and while Clutterbuck certainly existed, historian Ronald Hutton concluded that she is unlikely to have been involved in Gardner's Craft activities. While the ritual format of Wicca is undeniably styled after late Victorian era occultism, the spiritual content is inspired by older Pagan faiths, with Buddhist and Hindu influences. Whether any historical connection to Pagan religion exists, the aspiration to emulate Pagan religion (as it was understood at the time) certainly does.

Gardner probably had access to few, if any, traditional Pagan rites. The prevailing theory is that most of his rites were the result of his adapting the works of Aleister Crowley. There is very little in the Wiccan rites that cannot be shown to have come from earlier extant sources. The original material is not cohesive and mostly takes the form of substitutions or expansions within unoriginal material, such as embellishment of Crowley lines.

Philip Heselton, writing in Wiccan Roots and later in Gerald Gardner and the Cauldron of Inspiration, argues that Gardner was not the author of the Wiccan rituals but received them in good faith from an unknown source. He notes that all the Crowley material that is found in the Wiccan rituals can be found in a single book, The Equinox vol 3 no. 1 or Blue Equinox. Gardner is not known to have owned or had access to a copy of this book.

The idea of primitive matriarchal religions, deriving ultimately from studies by Johann Jakob Bachofen, was popular in Gardner's day, both among academics (e.g., Erich Neumann, Margaret Murray) and amateurs such as Robert Graves. Later academics (e.g. Carl Jung and Marija Gimbutas) continued research in this area, and later still Joseph Campbell, Ashley Montagu and others highly esteemed Gimbutas's work on the matrifocal cultures of Old Europe. Both matrifocal interpretation of the archaeological record, and the foundations of criticism of such work, continue to be matters of academic debate. Some academics carry on research in this area (consider the 2003 World Congress on Matriarchal Studies). Critics argue that matriarchal societies never actually existed, and are an invention of researchers such as Margaret Murray.

The idea of a supreme Mother Goddess was common in Victorian and Edwardian literature: the concept of a Horned God--especially related to the gods Pan or Faunus--was less common, but still significant. Both of these ideas were widely accepted in academic literature, and in the popular press. Gardner used these concepts as his central theological doctrine, and constructed Wicca around this core.
 CountIbli

Joined: 6/1/2005
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History
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 7:01:38 PM
Wicca is Old English for sorcerer.
 blaackangel

Joined: 6/23/2005
Msg: 15
what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 7:02:56 PM
Interesting thread happening here.

I began studying Wicca in 1997 and have since moved on actually. As WiccanEnchantress mentions, Wicca was established under the label 'Wicca' in the 1950's. Since then, it has evolved into dozens of different paths and traditions IE Gardnerian, Alexandrian, Faery, Dianic, Eclectic, Celtic, etc etc....

I personally am of the opinion that Wicca has found its roots in ancient 'pagan' traditions. By 'ancient pagan traditions' I am referring to the practices of the commonfolk, more so European than North American (considering we are quite a new society compared to them). This would include their celebrating the seasons (Candlemas, Summer Solstice, Samhain (Halloween), Winter Solstice, etc), planting by the moon cycles, creating charms etc for luck, prosperity, health, to heal another and the list goes on.

pagan
c.1375, from L.L. paganus "pagan," in classical L. "villager, rustic, civilian," from pagus "rural district," originally "district limited by markers," thus related to pangere "to fix, fasten," from PIE base *pag- "to fix" (see pact). Religious sense is often said to derive from conservative rural adherence to the old gods after the Christianization of Roman towns and cities; but the word in this sense predates that period in Church history, and it is more likely derived from the use of paganus in Roman military jargon for "civilian, incompetent soldier," which Christians (Tertullian, c.202; Augustine) picked up with the military imagery of the early Church (e.g. milites "soldier of Christ," etc.). Applied to modern pantheists and nature-worshippers from 1908. Paganism is attested from 1433.

Tangent: That is part of the reason why I say that I have 'moved on' from Wicca. I spend my initiation studying ancient civilizations (Ancient Egypt specifically, but also Rome, Greece, etc as well as modern day Europe in the 1400's, 1500's.......)

Anyway, since the advent of Wicca in the 1950's, dozens of paths have developed. Depending on who you ask, you are bound to get a different, yet similar definition. Speaking from my own experience...beliefs that most Wiccan paths have in common are:

-the belief in the Divine. This universal energy is the ALL...it is the energy of life. It is the energy that allows you to blink and bend your arm, for a plant to grow, you get the picture. This energy is envisioned and personalized as both a masculine and feminine energy, also known as the God and Goddess. Masc and feminine to maintain the ultimate balance which the Divine contains. (Some paths stress the Goddess more so than the God, IE Dianic, but I have little experience with those paths so I will leave them for another to explain.)

-due to this recognition and reverence of the energy within all things, or their spirit if you will, this encompasses the idea of all things having a life force of spirit, which in turn leads us to the belief in Animism, as Enchantress already mentioned....

-specifically in Wicca, there are two major tenets that are held: "An it harm none, do as thou wilt" and the Law of Three....An it harm none, to me anyway, reflects the Do unto others tenet which we find within Christianity....and actually, which we find in the majority of faiths around the world, simply worded a little differently. The Threefold law involves the belief in karma and retribution, in the sense that what you do will return to you times three. Therefore, this supports the previous tenet in that one would always want to to good to receive goodness in return.

-most Wiccans, if not all, believe in reincarnation...

-most practice the use of magic, or magick (spelled that way to differentiate it from stage magic)....to me, magic is in essence, the power of the mind. You're probably familiar with the phrase "If you put your mind to it, you can do anything." Well, take that statement and amplify. To many, magick is the focusing of one's will, one's being on a goal or task at hand. Sometimes tools are used, incense, candles, wands, water, salt etc but all physical objects are simply a means to focus ones concentration. I've always believed that if one is using tools and objects to work with magick, they should also be skilled enough to practice it with simply the force of their being....

Hmmm, what else....

-many Wiccans tend to be environmentalists and/or treat their environment with respect and reverence

-had to add this, my own little pet peeve....many Wiccans practice one or more forms of divination including tarot, runes, palmistry, crystal gazing, psychometry, scrying etc...but. IMHO, this IS NOT a practice of Wicca. I've met so many people who have discovered that I am familiar with the tarot or psychometry and they've responded by saying 'oh, are you Wiccan?'.....To me, divination complements Wicca simply because as a general rule, most Wiccans I've met are open to the supernatural, seeing the future, divining what's to come....but one doesn't have to practice divination to be Wiccan...and the opposite is also true, one does not have to be Wiccan to practice divination.....
Sorry, just a little rant happening there.....


NOTE: Again, I just wrote this off the top of my head...I may have missed something, please feel free to add, and if I overgeneralized, that wasn't my intention....just speaking from my own experience.....

Blackangel
 blaackangel

Joined: 6/23/2005
Msg: 16
the origins of the word 'wicca'
Posted: 7/5/2005 7:07:38 PM
The following was taken from the Online Etymological Dictionary.....NOTE O.E. stands for Old English.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=wicca&searchmode=none

Wicca
An O.E. masc. noun meaning "male witch," curiously taken by Gerald Gardner's followers (c.1954) as an abstract noun meaning "witchcraft" and thus becoming the title of a modern pagan movement. See witch.

witch
O.E. wicce "female magician, sorceress," in later use esp. "a woman supposed to have dealings with the devil or evil spirits and to be able by their cooperation to perform supernatural acts," fem. of O.E. wicca "sorcerer, wizard, man who practices witchcraft or magic," from verb wiccian "to practice witchcraft" (cf. Low Ger. wikken, wicken "to use witchcraft," wikker, wicker "soothsayer"). OED says of uncertain origin. Klein suggests connection with O.E. wigle "divination," and wig, wih "idol." Watkins says the nouns represent a P.Gmc. *wikkjaz "necromancer" (one who wakes the dead), from PIE *weg-yo-, from *weg- "to be strong, be lively." That wicce once had a more specific sense than the later general one of "female magician, sorceress" perhaps is suggested by the presence of other words in O.E. describing more specific kinds of magical craft. In the Laws of Ælfred (c.890), witchcraft was specifically singled out as a woman's craft, whose practitioners were not to be suffered to live among the W. Saxons:

"Ða fæmnan þe gewuniað onfon gealdorcræftigan & scinlæcan & wiccan, ne læt þu ða libban."

The other two words combined with it here are gealdricge, a woman who practices "incantations," and scinlæce "female wizard, woman magician," from a root meaning "phantom, evil spirit." Another word that appears in the Anglo-Saxon laws is lyblæca "wizard, sorcerer," but with suggestions of skill in the use of drugs, since the root of the word is lybb "drug, poison, charm." Lybbestre was a fem. word meaning "sorceress," and lybcorn was the name of a certain medicinal seed (perhaps wild saffron). Weekly notes possible connection to Gothic weihs "holy" and Ger. weihan "consecrate," and writes, "the priests of a suppressed religion naturally become magicians to its successors or opponents." In Anglo-Saxon glossaries, wicca renders L. augur (c.1100), and wicce stands for "pythoness, divinatricem." In the "Three Kings of Cologne" (c.1400) wicca translates Magi:

"Þe paynyms ... cleped þe iij kyngis Magos, þat is to seye wicchis."

The glossary translates L. necromantia ("demonum invocatio") with galdre, wiccecræft. The Anglo-Saxon poem called "Men's Crafts" has wiccræft, which appears to be the same word, and by its context means "skill with horses." In a c.1250 translation of "Exodus," witches is used of the Egyptian midwives who save the newborn sons of the Hebrews: "Ðe wicches hidden hem for-ðan, Biforen pharaun nolden he ben." Witch in ref. to a man survived in dialect into 20c., but the fem. form was so dominant by 1601 that men-witches or he-witch began to be used. Extended sense of "young woman or girl of bewitching aspect or manners" is first recorded 1740. Witch doctor is from 1718; applied to African magicians from 1836.
"At this day it is indifferent to say in the English tongue, 'she is a witch,' or 'she is a wise woman.' " [Reginald Scot, "The Discoverie of Witchcraft," 1584]
 goldenember

Joined: 6/16/2005
Msg: 17
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what is wicca?
Posted: 7/5/2005 9:14:29 PM
wicca is like anything else. its something people talk about. and, some people talk about it untill they find ways to have fun with it, its like a game... a religion.

it is designed to help people find a sense of self and apreciate who they are from the inside out. to better understand what they are and where they are and how to survive as such.

the idea of any heathen religion is that. finding peace and happiness inside ones self in hopes of spreading that energy to the world around them. and, like anything else there are those that are good and those that are evil

its like a church, a talk show, politics.

theres nothing cool or special about it, its just like... a big shiney button that says im a wiccan. you can either keep the button at home in a drawer or you can wear it around to impress your frineds...
 goldenember

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(considering we are quite a new society compared to them).


um, i think their 'society' has been around since the begining of 'time' too, my friend. they just decided to respect the earth more than those on the other side of the ocean. respect themselves and each other more too. but, we cant seem to admit our faults. i mean, there can be no forgivness for coming over here, destroying a way of life that was suposed to show us the error in our ways so we could correct our flawed morrals and ideals.

 seriouslyfunnylady

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I think the question was asked with a true interest in an explaination.

I really don't believe that the OP was looking for sarcasim.

The Wicca religion is much more structured then most pagan religions from my understanding, it is not the path I choose for myself.

To get a full understanding it really is necessary to check some books out of the Library and research it.

Trying to explain wicca, would be like trying to explain Catholisim in relationship to Christianity.

It is a part of Paganism with some of it's own traditions and ceremonys.
 goldenember

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was i the one being sarcastic? ok, well, i apreciate your opinion. but, didnt the man say he has no idea at all what it is? i think i gave him a pretty good head start... i mean, after reading everything that all the other wonderful people wrote here, i thought my definition was quite fine. i didnt come here to dis or be dissed, i just cvame to share my wonderfully opened mind with all who are lucky enough to come by here.

im just really very much smarter tham most people anyone will ever encounter, so i am able to take a seemigly complicated thing that people start century long wars over and sum it up for a baby to understand. not that im calling anyone here a baby, unless of course there are babys reading this *shrugs*

 WiccanEnchantress

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I agree Robert, your "opinion" is as pertinent" as anyone else's, that said, Ill give mine...


The history of Wicca is a much debated topic. Gardner claimed that the religion was a survival of matriarchal religions of pre-historic Europe (see Völva), taught to him by a woman named Dorothy Clutterbuck. Many believe he invented it himself, following the thesis of Dr. Margaret Murray and sources such as Aradia: Gospel of the Witches by Charles Godfrey Leland, and the practices of Freemasonry and ceremonial magic; and while Clutterbuck certainly existed, historian Ronald Hutton concluded that she is unlikely to have been involved in Gardner's Craft activities. While the ritual format of Wicca is undeniably styled after late Victorian era occultism, the spiritual content is inspired by older Pagan faiths, with Buddhist and Hindu influences. Whether any historical connection to Pagan religion exists, the aspiration to emulate Pagan religion (as it was understood at the time) certainly does.


"Gardner claimed that the religion was the survival of matriarchal religion of prehistoric Europe" Well no Gardner didn't make that claim, he knew that Wicca was a new idea as far as religions go, however the argument could be made that Wicca draws it's roots from the Shamanistic religions of pre-historic man (as all circle craft religions do) Since Wicca, was several religions rolled into one, and with Gardner's own religious views in mind he created a new religion on the shoulders of old. A beautiful religion, that no matter who likes it and doesn't has come into their own, as I re-call Christianity began somewhere too, however this is easily forgotten when motivations are simply to discredit the sacred beliefs of other's...



Gardner probably had access to few, if any, traditional Pagan rites. The prevailing theory is that most of his rites were the result of his adapting the works of Aleister Crowley. There is very little in the Wiccan rites that cannot be shown to have come from earlier extant sources. The original material is not cohesive and mostly takes the form of substitutions or expansions within unoriginal material, such as embellishment of Crowley lines.


Where's the proof that he had no access to Pagan rites? Where as the proof is there that he did. Again Robert your "sources" spout off ignorance and pass it off as fact, if Gardner had no idea what a Pagan rite looked like then how the hell would these people know. What sux is that by writing articles like these (AND by posting them) they/you show your blatant disrespect for the dead and their in-ability to defend themselves, I find this practice tasteless and despicable. Again I seriously doubt your sources had access to any records that would prove or disprove their case, again their motivations lie only is discredit, not search for truth, as Im sure the one-sided fool would think.



Philip Heselton, writing in Wiccan Roots and later in Gerald Gardner and the Cauldron of Inspiration, argues that Gardner was not the author of the Wiccan rituals but received them in good faith from an unknown source. He notes that all the Crowley material that is found in the Wiccan rituals can be found in a single book, The Equinox vol 3 no. 1 or Blue Equinox. Gardner is not known to have owned or had access to a copy of this book.


A person need not write their own rituals to practice the art. Just because these "sources" don't know him to have access to these books doesn't mean he didn't, again they only assume their opinions to be fact, passing idiocy off as fact is one thing, but you should at least admit your opinions to be what they are.



The idea of primitive matriarchal religions, deriving ultimately from studies by Johann Jakob Bachofen, was popular in Gardner's day, both among academics (e.g., Erich Neumann, Margaret Murray) and amateurs such as Robert Graves. Later academics (e.g. Carl Jung and Marija Gimbutas) continued research in this area, and later still Joseph Campbell, Ashley Montagu and others highly esteemed Gimbutas's work on the matrifocal cultures of Old Europe. Both matrifocal interpretation of the archaeological record, and the foundations of criticism of such work, continue to be matters of academic debate. Some academics carry on research in this area (consider the 2003 World Congress on Matriarchal Studies). Critics argue that matriarchal societies never actually existed, and are an invention of researchers such as Margaret Murray.


Again Wicca is a religion that draws its roots from the Shamanic, thus it is arguable that while the Word Wicca is 50-60 yrs old the practices ARE ancient.


The idea of a supreme Mother Goddess was common in Victorian and Edwardian literature: the concept of a Horned God--especially related to the gods Pan or Faunus--was less common, but still significant. Both of these ideas were widely accepted in academic literature, and in the popular press. Gardner used these concepts as his central theological doctrine, and constructed Wicca around this core.


Im going to enjoy this;

She has been prominent in cultures throughout history and back to Neolithic times. But during the past few thousand years, women have experienced alienation from their power source. The female aspect of the Creator has been excluded and denied by a culture that has focused exclusively on the male dominated religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

The last remnants of Goddess worship were all but wiped out by the massacre of millions of women as witches, during the Middle Ages. And it was all done in the name of a loving God.

But the Goddess is reasserting Herself. She is telling us it is time to clean up our acts. The survival of life as we know it, depends upon our willingness to listen to Her and honor Her. To worship the Goddess is to honor the Earth and all the creatures with whom we share this divine place.

If we take the time to see it, to become aware of the divine gift that this life on Earth is, we begin to understand why all acts of love and pleasure are Goddess rituals.


In Neo-pagan Witchcraft the Goddess is the very essence or central figure of the Craft and worship. She is the Great Mother, representing the fertility which brings forth all life; as Mother Nature she is the living biosphere of both the planets and the forces of the elements; she has roles of both creator and destroyer; she is the Queen of Heaven; and she is the moon. She possesses magikal powers and is emotion, intuition and psychic faculty.

The Divine Force within the Goddess is believed to be genderless, but within the universe it is manifested as male and female principles. Often within the worship of the Divine Force the Goddess, or the female principle, is emphasized to the exclusion of The Horned God, or the male principle. But, theoretically both are recognized.

The Goddess has many facets, names and aspects. Although in witchcraft and Neo-paganism she is mainly worshiped in her aspects of the triple Goddess: Virgin, Mother and Crone.

History-

Goddess worship dates back to Paleolithic times. Many anthropologists speculate the first "God " or gods of the peoples were feminine. This coincides with ancient creation myths and beliefs that creation was achieved through self-fertilization. Within the concept of creation the participation of the male principle was not known or recognized yet. The Goddess was believed to have created the universe by herself alone.

From this belief came the agricultural religions. It was thought that the gods only prospered by the beneficence and wisdom which the Goddess showered on them. Evidence appears to indicate most ancient tribes and cultures were matriarchal.

Although this maybe true, there seems to be little evidence that the feminine portions of these societies held themselves superior over their male counterparts. Generally Goddess worship had been balanced by the honoring of both the male and female Deities. This is illustrated by the belief in and the observance of the sacred marriage of the Sky God and Earth Mother in many global societies.

Among the first human images discovered are the "Venus figures," nude female figures having exaggerated sexual parts that date back to the Cro-Magnons of the Upper Paleolithic period between 35,000 and 10,000 BC.

In southern France is the Venus of Laussel which is carved in basrelief in a rock shelter. This appears once to have been a hunting shrine which dates to around 19,000 BC. In this carving the woman is painted red, perhaps to suggest blood, and holds a bison horn in one hand.

Also in Cro-Magnon cave paintings women are depicted giving birth. "A naked Goddess appears to have been the patroness of the hunt to mammoth hunters in the Pyrenees and was also protectress of the hearth and lady of the wild things."

Other female figurines were discovered dating back to the proto-Neolithic period of ca, 9000 - 7000 BC, the Middle Neolithic period of ca. 6000 - 5000 BC, and the Higher Neolithic period of ca. 4500 - 3500 BC. Some of these figurines were decorated as if they had been objects of worship. In black Africa were discovered cave images of the Horned Goddess (later Isis, ca. 7000 - 6000 BC). The Black Goddess images appeared to represent a bisexual, self-fertilizing woman.

During the predynastic Egyptian period, prior to 3110 BC, the Goddess was known as Ta-Urt (Great One) and was portrayed as a pregnant hippopotamus stand on her hind legs.

The Halaf culture around the Tigris River, ca. 5000 - 4000 BC, had Goddess figurines associated with the cow, serpent, humped ox, sheep, goat, pig, bull, dove and double ax. These things were known to the people and became symbols representing the Goddess.

In the Sumerian civilization, ca. 4000 BC, the princesses or queens of cities were associated with the Goddess. A king was associated with God.

Throughout the eons of history the Goddess assumed many aspects. She was seen as the creatress, virgin, mother, destroyer, warrior, huntress, homemaker, wife, artist, jurist, healer and sorcerer. Her roles or abilities increased with the advancement of the cultures which worshipped her.

She could represent a queen with a consort, or lover. She might bear a son who died young or was sacrificed only to rise again representing the annual birth-death-rebirth cycle of the seasons.

Throughout the centuries the Goddess has acquired a thousand names and a thousand faces but most always she has represented nature, she is associated with both the sun and moon, the earth and the shy. The Goddess religion, usually in all forms, is a nature religion. Those worshipping the Goddess worship or care for nature too.

It might be acknowledged that author Barbara G. Walker made two comments concerning the thousand names of the Goddess. The first is that "Every female divinity in the present Encyclopedia may be correctly regarded as only another aspect of the core concept of a female Supreme Being." The author's other comment is, "If such a system had been applied to the usual concept of God, (giving him the different names and titles which people throughout the centuries have attributed to him), there would now be a multitude of separate 'gods' with names like Almighty, Yahweh, Lord, Holy Ghost, Sun of Righteousness, Christ, Creator, Lawgiver, Jehovah, Providence, Allah, Savior, Redeemer, Paraclete, Heavenly Father, and so on, ad infinitum, each one assigned to a particular function in the world pantheon."

Both comments may be considered correct when it is recognized that humankind is only able to speak of God, the Supreme Being and the gods in anthropomorphic terms. As it has been noted elsewhere, the human mind is unable to comprehend any godhead without the aid of anthropomorphism. But, many people such as Simon Magus have gotten themselves in serious trouble when calling God by another name. The early Church Father Hippolytus condemned Simon for referring to God as the Infinite Force.

The beginning of the Hebrew religion with its God Yahweh is said to have marked the end of the Goddess' Golden Age. Approximately this was between 1800 - 1500 BC when the prophet Abraham lived in Canaan.

The Christian Church, and especially the Roman Catholic Church, has fought hard to suppress or root out all Goddess worship. The Goddess along with all pagan deities were labeled as evil. But, little proof has been offered for this. One notable example is The Canon Episcopi.

Even though the Church attempted to completely abolish Goddess worship it never successfully did so. Remanents of it remained within the hearts of the people. An example of such devotion is seen within the actions of the people during the Church Council of Ephesus (432 AD). Until Christianized Ephesus had been a sacred city where the Divine Mother was worshiped by "all Asia and the world" (Acts 19:27). Also in this city of Ephesus, as elsewhere, she was called Mother of Animals. "Her most famous Ephesus image had a torso covered with breasts, showing her ability to nurture the whole world." During this council of bishops people rioted in the streets demanding the worshipping of the Goddess be restored. The prime candidate was Mary, the Virgin and Mother of Christ. The bishops conceded so far in allowing Mary to be called the Mother of God, but the forbade her to be called Mother Goddess or Goddess.

To the very present many, both Catholics and especially Protestants, wonder why Catholics have a great devotion toward the Virgin Mary. Few know the occurrences at Ephesus, and that this devotion is probably the long surviving remnant of their early ancestors' devotion to the Goddess.
~GODDESS IS ALIVE MAGIK IS AFOOT~

Keep em comeing Robert...

And P.S. Prism, I can assure you I am old enough to know my craft, and know it well...
 WiccanEnchantress

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I also felt the need to respond to this particular post....

Plenty of pagan religions are based on self awareness. I know I exist, maybe a plant knows that it exists. It's similar to the notion that as soon as we got into space, UFO's began to appear everywhere. The notion that there is a spirit in everything is not new. It has been pervasive throughout recorded time.


I have never heard of a Pagan circle with no goddess OR god, how ever I don't know everything, but weather they exist or not that's not the brand of Paganism being discussed on this thread, "Pantheism" is what is being discussed, I certainly NEVER said that "Animism" was a new concept. LoL, haha.I am a naturalist, I don't just simply get naked when I don't feel like wearing cloths, these are my SACRED beliefs, you assume I don't take my craft seriously and it's very insulting, To my knowledge U.F.O. sightings are not a new phenomenon either, not by any means...



The idea that there is a good and an evil force are equally historically based. You only appeal to the rebellious side of the human spirit to join the "other team" if you will. To claim that your religion is based on the work of Gerald Gardner is no claim to authenticity.


First off I'd like to point out that I do not believe in "good and evil" in the fashion you have laid out. I do however believe in "light and dark energies" Dark energies being a sick or wounded deer, being killed and devoured by hungry wolves, light energy, being one of these same wolves using that same dark energy to feed her Puppies. How can I rebel if I have nothing worth rebelling against? I would also like to add that I've never been a part of the "other team" I was born to the Pagan Circle, I am not a "convert" by any means. My religion is also not based on the work of Gerald Gardner, if you read my first few posts you'll see I am a Witch of the old tradition, the Traditions I study are the Dianic, and the Strega, these are the two I am "fluent" in.


His grandmother was burned as a witch in the 1600's, wrote books on the goddess aphrodite and was obviously family with pagan mythology as would any anthropologist. What made him unusual was the he was given charge by the British government of inspecting opium. So we have to ask ourselves: does any here remember the 60's?


Opium is a natural drug, not a chemical, if used correctly, it is perfectly safe.




Wic, know you're a bit young to remember this but hallucinogenic drugs were as popular as peanut butter and jelly. Your spiritual founder may have found spirits in everything from apples to mayonnaise because everyone else at the time was finding the same thing. Not just from opiates, but LSD and phencyclidine were very popular. This was especially true of academians such as Mr. Gardner.


A person does not need to have been born in the 60's to know the dangers of chemical based hallucinogens, Again you call Gardner "my" spiritual founder showing me once again you have little if any knowledge on the subject at hand. Gardner founded the "Gardnerian" tradition. Not the Dianic, Strega, Faery, or Druidic, which is what I study, I have however adopted substitutions from "Wicca" [example] I now use bees wax, in place of hogs lard.

L.S.D. is NOT of mother earth, therefore is unacceptable for use in vision quest's, spirit walks, etc. Marijuana, Peyote, Magik Mushrooms, the Coca plant etc, have been used by shamans for thousands of years,and if used in the fashion they were meant to be used are perfectly safe.


Would anyone be surprised to find that his heart failure at age 74 may have been brought on by external stimuli? Of course no such claim would be made by friends, family or followers. But try to remember the 60's. It's pretty well documented but tough to get a feel for unless you were alive.


This is just low! A little respect for the dead can go SUCH a long way. No his friends and family likely wouldn't mention it because they wouldn't want it falling into hands like yours...Who see it as just a chance to make someone look bad....

Gerald Gardner is NOT "my spiritual founder" I AM! Got it? I fallow the Italian traditions of the Dianic, and the Strega,the founder of the Strega Tradition was was Aradia de Toscano born August, 13th, 1313, and the Tradition was founded around 1345. Aradia's original Tradition was the Dianic, and no one can say with any certainty how ancient that tradition is. Now Gardner is Gardnerian got it? Good. As I said I am old enough to know my craft and know it well... Thank you for taking the time to read my words this time and not twisting them into what you wanted me to say...

@ blaack, I saw you found the origins of the word "Witch" I'm relieved to know neither the word Witch or Wicca/Wiccan are Christian! It's good to have a friend on this site who knows the academics!

OK, male and female beliefs of the Dianic Tradition, ok first Diana is the mother of the Goddess Aradia, who is looked at in much the same fashion as Jesus Christ. Some say her father is Apollo, other's say it is Lucifer (the Sun God) and still other's as you pointed out deny her father all together. Personally I do not agree with this as nature is about balance, the male AND female must be recognized of equal importance for nature to be in balance, there are those of the Dianic who will disagree, and that is their right.

~Love is the Law~
 SkeeterWidget

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Most of this is all true. Just please dont confusse Wicca with Satanisum. It is NOT the same thing! Satanism is a religious, semi-religious and/or philosophical movement whose adherents recognize Satan as an archetype, pre-cosmic force, or some aspect of human nature. Although named for Satan, a name associated with evil and temptation, Satanism is more commonly the name given to certain spiritual paths which emphasize the Left-Hand Path, as opposed to the much more common Right-Hand Path. Left-Handers believe in spiritual enrichment through their own work on themselves, and that ultimately they are answerable only to themselves, while Right-Handers believe in spiritual enrichment through the dissolution or submission of the self to (or into) something greater. Many Satanists do not in fact worship a deity called Satan, or necessarily any other deity, nor do they follow a principle of evil. This aspect of their beliefs is very commonly misunderstood.

Instead of divine laws or naturistic principles (such as in wicca), Satanism generally focuses upon spiritual advancement of the self without requiring guidance from external higher beings or external principles, instead of submission to a deity or a set of moral codes. For this reason, many contemporary Satanists eschew traditional religious beliefs, attitudes and worship in favor of more egoistic, self-centering worldviews, natural law, survival of the fittest and practices such as materialism, individualism and magick. However, some Satanists do choose voluntary moral codes, e.g., the 9 Statements or 11 Laws of the LaVeyan Satanists.

Got it? Its basiclly someone that belives in themselves as opposed to one deity or god. So... just so you know. I think that is one of my biggest peppeves when someone confusses the two. I pesonally am a Satanist. And I love it.
 seriouslyfunnylady

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Were you aware that Paganism and earth based religions are also considered *left hand* path.

Even though we beieve in a Divine force. Of course they are probably considered that because they aren't on the *right* path according to established religions.
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Yes, I was aware that Paganism and Earth based religions were considered 'Left-Handed'... The reason for that is because you belive in a force... A focus to the universe. I mother really, on that cares and loves you. On the 'Right-Handed' its a father figure. Someone that will dissapline you if you need it.
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