| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 7/17/2009 1:08:15 PM | Not only does this country on average pay more to paper pushers in the public sector that people with productive work in the private sector.
In the irish independent I read that a family of 3 can get about €42 000 euro worth of handouts all paid for by taxpayers.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/it-can-pay-to-stay-at-home---836442000-a-year-to-be-precise-1826386.html
The winners in this country are the bailout parasites like banks and the people on handouts, the losers in this country are people who work in the private sector with normal jobs.
I personally could not afford to rent a house, I have to share with people. People on welfare gets houses handed to them by the council. Does this seem right to you?
THIS COUNTRY IS A MADHOUSE! | |
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 7/26/2009 5:19:20 PM | Yes the country is a mad house! Yes we are facing economic ruination as a country. Yes you're better off financially being state depedendant that a state contributor... Will the people of this country ever grow a pair and stand up and demand a better standard of leadership for this country???
NO!!! So get used to it.... | |
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 7/28/2009 10:50:21 AM | HI,
Just read the article~strange because Ireland is on the top ten........Quality of life index? hummmmmmmmmm, well I guess if you can get that kind of money for doing nothing then you have plenty of time to enjoy life!!...maybe thats why they are on the top 10??
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 7/29/2009 1:18:08 PM | Just read the article~strange because Ireland is on the top ten........Quality of life index?
It is, but... well... but most Irish people are too busy buying HD-TVs while complaining about being "repressed" by the church (without researching what the law actually entails), or complaining about the quality of housing (despite Irish housing having some of the most stringent safety standards in the world), or complaining about the state of country due to the recession, despite the fact that many countries are being hit with the problem 10 times worse.
Irish people to complain a lot about the most insignificant things... because, well, there's nothing else to to complain about. They don't have to deal with a non-existent health-care system like America does, or with war on their footsteps like Iraq and other Eastern European countries do, or with *real* oppression and inhumane housing conditions like China does.
They should try living in America. The quality of life of the average Americam *before* the recession was poorer than the quality of life most Irish people are having *during* the recession.
I'm glad this country is a welfare state, even if I think it's a bit too much at times. It means that people can at least have a decent quality of life when misfortune and bad luck hit them. I'm well aware that there are people that abuse the system though, but that exists everywhere, and I do not believe those people are in the majority.
You know what's ironic? We have two threads on the forums right now... one where Irish people are complaining about us being oppressed, and another where Irish people are complaining about us being too pampered. Make up your bloody mind. | |
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 7/29/2009 1:24:46 PM |
I'm glad this country is a welfare state, even if I think it's a bit too much at times. It means that people can at least have a decent quality of life when misfortune and bad luck hit them.
Is it because misfortune and bad luck hit them, or did some of them chose their circumstances? In America, we have a lot of people who choose to be poor and destitute, by having out of wedlock births while they are still teenagers. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 2:25:38 PM |
Is it because misfortune and bad luck hit them, or did some of them chose their circumstances?
Like I said (straight after what you quoted), there are always going to be people who abuse the system. I just don't believe they are in the majority. | |
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Posted: 7/30/2009 7:10:01 PM |
Is it because misfortune and bad luck hit them, or did some of them chose their circumstances? In America, we have a lot of people who choose to be poor and destitute, by having out of wedlock births while they are still teenagers.
Like I said (straight after what you quoted), there are always going to be people who abuse the system. I just don't believe they are in the majority.
It depends upon what a person's definition of "abusing the system" is. I think people that cause their own misfortune by getting pregnant as teens are abusing the system, but many people don't agree. | |
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 10/5/2009 3:37:21 AM | Wheres the free house???
I recently got let go and am on welfare and I dont get a free house, maybe you should do some research before posting this rubbish. I get 200 a week which doesnt even cover my rent and bills an I am doing a house share. Im also not entitled to rent help.
Jesus christ youd wanna cop on before posting such stereotypes, I was working 10 years before i was ley go so I was well paid up on my own bloody stamps, theres people just like me that got let go after 10 15 20 years of work and you have the nerver to stereotype them on here! | |
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 10/5/2009 11:11:00 AM | In the irish independent I read that a family of 3 can get about €42 000 euro worth of handouts all paid for by taxpayers.
Didnt your mama teach you to never to believe all you read in the papers???
42,000=807 per week!
I live in a family of 5, me and my 4 children, and i receive, 308 yo yo's per week.
If your taking Childrens Allowance into it, then a family of 3 as you stated, has either one or 2 children in it, so their childrens allowance per month will be either 166 for one child, or 332 for 2 children.............because someone in that family of 3 has to be the adult, yeah?
So for talks sake, we will say theres 2 kids in that family..........332x12 = 3984.
Now we multiply that figure of 3984 from 42, 000, we are left with the fabulous sum of 38016 (im using a calculator )
Now if we divide 38016 by 52 the number of weeks in a year, we get 731.07.
So does this mean that a family of 3 is getting 731 yo yo's per week.....plus the dic ky money every month?
I wonder if i sell 2 of my kids, will they give me an extra 400+ yo yo's per week.............wooohooooo *rushes off to ebay*!!
Im just gonna say something here to you OP........you know fook all.
I am 34 yrs old, i worked every day for 17 yrs to give my children a stable life.
I was let go from my job a few months ago, and had no choice to go on welfare.
I paid my taxes, and so i am entitled to claim welfare after 17 yrs.
I have no car, no big show house, and no fooken plasma's.
I think the missing word here is empathy
DONT JUDGE folk less off than you are, unless you have walked a mile in their shoes. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2009 12:42:39 PM | Simply me being me, brilliant post!
The op here hasnt a bloody clue and Im shure thinks all us scumbags on benefit spend it all on cans and smoking weed. I was too angry to bother me hole writing a long post in response to this person.
They really havent a bloody notion. | |
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 10/5/2009 1:02:29 PM |
Now we multiply that figure of 3984 from 42, 000
Oooooppppps, silly me, i meant to say minus instead of multiply in that sentence!!! | |
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 10/7/2009 5:16:16 AM | | I think teenage mothers get picked on a lot by the high and mighty 'if you afford kids' brigade. Very few people stop to think that maybe they're just kids themselves and made a mistake. What else are you going to do other than help them? Abortion is illegal in Ireland. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:07:37 AM | | OP's Post is a typical response, people love to blame people beneath them and never the real villans, people getting wage cuts blame people on the dole, people on the dole blame single parents, single parents blame regugees. Why is so easy to blame those less frotunate and not those at the top who make a balls of everything. It suits the government for us to be at each others throats rather than pointing the finger where it truely belongs. and is'nt it great that we have a welfare state?? Where would you prefer to live in a developing country where those unemployed were forced to live in shanty towns? Isnt it great that we offer housing? My God people are so selfish and self centred its all about ME ME ME how much am I getting and how much more is he getting. Combat poverty and other agencies have fought for years to get even the poorest people in Ireland out of the poverty trap and now people resent that. How we treat the worse off in our society is a sign of how healthy our society is. Ireland has a way to go but at lest its improving the lot of many by offering decent welfare and housing so at least people are not homeless and hungry. Irish Citizens should be grateful for this not resent it. | |
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 10/7/2009 9:17:58 AM | The welfare system is meant to be a safety net. If you lose your job having paid tax for years you should be paid back out of the system you paid into. The problems start when the lazy ba****rds who run the country are too busy sucking up all they can get for themselves to sit for more than a 100 days a year. If they ran the system properly anyone on long term welfare would be retrained and sent for jobs until they got one.
The problems in this country is there are too many Freeloaders.
We have our politicians and their army of red tape makers getting paid way over the odds. A country TD can go to the Dail, drive back home and claim an overnight stay. No one checks. We have knackers getting paid millions to move off land we own while drawing the dole and running businessess.
Then we have the Catholic Church Limited running a religious black economy. When their tsunami of child rape is discovered their members, Bertie and Woods sign the Indemnity Deal and screw the taxpayers again.
Farmers are paid most of their income through the letter box courtesy of the taxpayer. Then they spend their time whining about the prices they get paid but never mention how much they get subsidised for.
The coutry is awash with quangos and the politicial in-crowd sitting on boards getting paid nice little earners. If you're awash with money and want to lower your tax bill you just buy yourself an expensive work of art, loan it to a museum and presto! You deduct the price from your taxes and you still got yourself a nice family heirloom.
The chairman of FAS gets caught living it up on our money and then that dopey Bouncy Castle Cowan and Horsey Mary Coughlan reward him with another million for his troubles.
Property developers get into trouble but thanks to NAMA their mates in the Dail are going to pay them over the odds with our money. If the banks got into trouble then that's their problem. It's capitalism. The share holders should have lost out and the banks should have been taken over by the bond holders.
We have a President we don't need. Legions of councillors we don't need. We have Lord Mayors we don't need and a Senate that costs a fortune while serving no useful purpose except as a talking shop for anther bunch of Freeloaders. They took in 5.6 million in expenses in the last two years. ON TOP of their salaries for waffeling to each other.
We don't need to focus on a few little people chipping away at the bottom: we need a rebellion.
Last one to the GPO is a bag of rats! | |
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 10/7/2009 3:32:14 PM | I am a single mother of 1... And yes I do not work, so I get approx 240 a week plus 166 a month... I get no mortgage relief, so hence I rent a room in my house to a lodger. I am now in my thirties and have worked since I left college but unfortunatly was made redundant.....
So what do I do, well I sit on my arse at home all day whinging and moaning about my hard luck!!! NOT A CHANCE, I am out every day while the wee one is in school Volunteering, someone else may as well benefit from my free time!
Yes there are free loaders out there, but as someone else said, if the Government were more efficient they would have sorted this problem out years ago....
This Country main problems financially come from the top not the bottom!!!
We should all thank god, that we are alive and can afford a computer and get online!!!!
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 10/7/2009 8:27:00 PM |
the losers in this country are people who work in the private sector with normal jobs.
No the real losers in this state are the people who were fired from their private sector jobs and have to live on €204 a week! What do you want, the abolition of social welfare? Let’s hope your boss keeps you on the parole! | |
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 10/8/2009 5:08:46 AM | There ya go, Bubbs 101. If the idiots at the top were actually running the country you'd have schemes where long term unemployed would get credits for volunteer work. A lot of activity that would enhance society would be created and people on long term unemployment would maintain their self respect. The few dodgers there are would be put to some useful purpose and then the public would lose the distraction of focusing on the little people.
Has anyone heard of the Irish Peoples Union? They had a march and not many people turned up I'm told. It's no wonder really. When Junket John O'Donoghue lost his plush job as Speaker in Dáil Éireann all his local villagers were full of praise for him. This is a country run by the Patrons of the Parish Pump Society. | |
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| The welfare state we're in.
Posted: 10/8/2009 7:52:20 PM | Huh, that's interesting. Living in the US, where abortion has been legal since before I was born, I never thought of how it impacted welfare. But that brief point just made me realize how essential welfare becomes when you outlaw abortion.
I guess I find this particularly interesting because the very same people in our country who clamor for aborition to be criminalized also complain about the idea of welfare. Makes it even more terrifying to think of what our country would look like if fundamentalism continues to grow here. | |
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