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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/21/2009 8:34:58 AM | A friend of mine has recently started to toss 4 raw organic eggs into his breakfast smoothie instead of using whey protein powder. Claims that it's a far superior source of protein, being totally unprocessed.
My doubts:
1. What about all the cholesterol in the yolks? He claims recent research has shown that the fat and cholesterol in eggs, as well as in butter, is not harmful.
2. What about the risk of salmonella? He claims that you can detect salmonella or any other spoilage by smelling the eggs first.
Does anyone here eat raw eggs on a regular basis? | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/21/2009 9:20:42 AM | My guess is he just doesn't feel like spending money on the whey protein powder. Depending on what protein you pick of course is also dependent on...well I guess you could call it "half life" in your system. Isopure for example is a very pure (expensive) form of whey protein that is 0 calories. Because it is so pure it will get swallowed up by your body fairly quickly mixing it with milk or other lactose products helps to slow the release of the protein over a longer period of time, like casein.
Raw eggs carry roughly 5-6 grams of protein. So you are looking at roughly 20 grams of protein in exchange for roughly 300 calories. Depending as well on what your friend is shooting for in his diet (gain muscle or lose weight) this may or may not be a good thing. 2 scoops of isopure though which is 0 calories unless combined with milk is 50g of protein but it is fairly expensive.
If you are going to eat the whole egg you might as well cook it to at least enjoy it or hard boil it. My advice would be to buy Egg Beaters styled carton liquid eggs, they have a bit more protein and they are mainly made of egg whites, though they might not be as good (taste wise) as normal eggs the calories and cholesterol levels are far lower.
Eggs are just another form of protein you can get protein from beans or chicken or tons of other sources, don't force yourself to swallow down raw eggs if you don't want to or have to. My 2 cents. | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/21/2009 11:16:54 AM | | hi... in my health studies and in my culture the use of 1 raw organic egg mixed in with raw grape juice is said to strengthen a person who is experiencing weakness.. my father and his 2 friends lived until they were 99, 102 and 96, they all practiced eating a raw egg several times a week.... blessings for health, warmly Mona | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/21/2009 11:28:09 AM | | Better off with pasteurized egg whites, but when eating any uncooked egg it is necessary to supplement with Biotin or else you will likely become deficient. | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/21/2009 11:50:43 AM |
Better off with pasteurized egg whites, but when eating any uncooked egg it is necessary to supplement with Biotin or else you will likely become deficient.
This. I mix my shakes with pasteurized cartoned egg whites. But most studies I believe now support that eating raw eggs or dietary cholesterol doesn't really affect your cholesterol levels unless you're already gentically predisposed. And salmonella from consuming raw eggs isn't really that high of a risk either. | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/21/2009 12:37:19 PM | Gosh....hasn't anyone ever had an orange julious? They had the raw eggs in them and I loved them...so now I have a smoothie with a raw egg.
I find eating a raw egg in my smoothie is easier to digest than eating cooked eggs.
I don't think I could gulp down a glass of raw eggs tho.... | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/21/2009 1:25:23 PM |
Gosh....hasn't anyone ever had an orange julious? They had the raw eggs in them and I loved them...so now I have a smoothie with a raw egg.
I find eating a raw egg in my smoothie is easier to digest than eating cooked eggs.
I don't think I could gulp down a glass of raw eggs tho....
I remember those... 20-25 years ago. Are they still open? | |
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Posted: 7/21/2009 1:56:42 PM | The chain "Orange Julius" is still around, here in BC at least. I've never thought to check if they serve raw egg drinks, though. I'll be surprised if they could get away with it nowadays.
The cholesterol in eggs doesn't concern me, lots of evidence that it doesn't raise your own levels.
The prospect of Salmonella is a bit more worrying, but I think every case of food poisoning I've ever had has come from eating out at supposedly safe restaurants and cafeterias, so worrying about eggs would be a bit silly.
On the other hand, they're a lot easier to eat hard-boiled and still plenty good enough for nutrition, so I think I'll stick with that. :) | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/21/2009 3:25:32 PM | Raw eggs make the best mayo... A smoothie you at least eat immediately. Homemade mayo is in the fridge for up to 4 days before being consumed. Homemade mayo has never made me sick (and it's usually made twice a week...). My mother uses raw eggs in her smoothie, they've never made her sick.
Personally, I feel it's paranoia to be worried about eating raw eggs. | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/21/2009 7:29:20 PM | The least of your worries when eating raw eggs is Biotin deficiency.
Biotin is found in many everyday foods : chard, tomatoes, romaine lettuce, and carrots, almonds, chicken eggs, onions, cabbage, cucumber, and cauliflower, goat's milk, cow's milk, raspberries, strawberries, halibut, oats, and walnuts.
Any high quality Multi vitamin will have all the B vitamins in it as well.
Biotin included. | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/22/2009 6:39:44 AM | | I use them in my Whey shakes all the time. They add flavor and make it more filling. There are risks to anything these days so I do not worry about things like that. Like my workout buddy says "you can get sick from a well done steak too (meaning anything can make anyone sick)" ....I find with the diet I am on, the Cholestorol is not an issue, because everything else I eat is low in it. Salmonella....not worried about it. If your buddy can smell it in eggs he must be a millionaire and I must have missed seeing him on the news as a genius. Yes, I eat them on a regular basis in protein shakes. | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/22/2009 8:14:14 AM | | I've always liked raw eggs. Homemade mayo, Ceasar salad, smoothies, eggnog, fettucini Carbonnera and my most favourite which I haven't had in years - Steak tartar (raw beef AND raw eggs!) My homesteading friends claim that eggs that are fertilized (need a rooster in the henhouse) have way less cholesteral but I doubt that. | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/22/2009 8:38:10 AM | There are risks to anything these days so I do not worry about things like that. Like my workout buddy says "you can get sick from a well done steak too (meaning anything can make anyone sick)"
From a WELL-DONE steak? Really? Uh-oh...I like my steaks rare or medium rare! 
OK, looks like I'll try it in a shake then.
On the other hand, if there are no clear nutritional advantages of raw eggs over whey protein, I don't really see the point... | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/22/2009 1:47:05 PM | | hi^^^^ whey is a processed by-product of cheese, perhaps full of growth hormones, steroids and antibiotics.. organic eggs are a natural choice... | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/22/2009 8:16:25 PM | | The egg whites and yolk are fine, there are no diseases inside of them. The main problem is disease on the egg shell itself. Escherichia coli is found in the digestive tract and you know where eggs come from? Just don't lick your fingers after handling a few eggs. Plus the biological value (how well your body absorbs protein) of eggs are pretty freaking high at a value of 94 our of 100, beef sucks at 74 out of 100. But guess what's a better source of protein? Isolated whey at 100 out of 100. | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/22/2009 9:16:33 PM | Since I have my own chickens for eggs, but do not eat my girls, I will say yes, I use my eggs raw in various dishes from rum pie to Caesar salad. But....I would not eat store bought eggs raw since they have been handled to much and have often been around for weeks and weeks.
Whereas my eggs are eaten in raw dishes within an hour of being laid. Those not eaten are refrigerated quickly and used within a day or two. To be honest its gotten so that I am thankful I have a vegetable garden and access to fresh milk, because more and more news stories speak of e Coli or other health concerns from mass produced food items.
Thing is, years ago milk, meat and other items came from small places within a few hours of a given store. Now we have a society that is simply lazy and some dont even know how to cook from scratch or dont even have the desire to learn.
~Beth~ | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/23/2009 3:00:01 AM |
Better off with pasteurized egg whites, but when eating any uncooked egg it is necessary to supplement with Biotin or else you will likely become deficient.
Or eat the egg yilk which has biotin in it, problem solved then!
OP. cholesterol levels are not b lack and white. Your liver will produce more even if dietary intake is lessened. It will produce less if more dietary cholesterol is eaten.
Ratios matter most, not total cholesterol levels. Plus crappy ass crabs and too may of them affect cholesterol negatively, more so than eating a few whole eggs! | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/23/2009 6:40:53 AM | Eggs contain a protein that is not digestible by humans until it is cooked and partially broken down. While eggs may be a great source of complete proteins and fats (don't worry about cholesterol from eggs if you eat fast food on a regular basis, which nearly everyone does), you need to cook them. Also, you never know if someone left your eggs out for half a day then put them back (e.x.: my roommate) and now you're eating them raw. Ehhhhh
Besides, protein powder is only like 30 bucks for 5lbs on sale from the vitamin shoppe, or from t-nation.com. | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/23/2009 3:03:55 PM | | My friend has been eating 4-5 raw eggs a day, since a year. Well his vision was improved , after 5 months he dropped his reading glasses. / the egg contains lot of lutein/ . He said his overall health dramatically improved, he lost weight. Egg decreases appetites. I tried myself too, only one egg a day but, I couldn’t sleep, I have to tell you my friend having sleeping problem too, he had it before, but he doesn’t care, because the other benefit of the eggs gives him such a good feeling, he says it is worthy . He eat the raw eggs without mixing, because the food processor destroys the enzyme and many other good quality of the egg, he just eat the pure egg and yolk. .I tried too eat same way myself, wasn’t too bad, after a week I changed my egg eating schedule I eat it in the morning, but my sleeping problem just stuck with me. After 3 weeks I had to quit it, because not sleeping for me was a disaster. You have to know not everybody has sleeping problems, different body different reaction.. I steel eat once a week a raw egg . I remember , when my mother baked some goodies, I was the one who set around the table watching her to beat up the eggs with the sugar, then I was so happy when she passed the bowl to me I cleaned it up, licked around the whole bowl. I’m sure lot of you has same good memories.. I never thought that was jack or salmonella source. When my mother announced it is baking time, that was one of my happiest moment of my life. Well you see we used to eat raw eggs, just we forgot it. When I try something new I collect lot of information from the internet and place them into my files. I have huge raw egg eating file I can share with you, but I not always marked the source of the internet. You have to buy organic eggs, if you want to sign up the raw egg eating contest!!!!!!!!! Than wash the shell well and soak it in salty water, because the shell is the source of lot of bacteria. Don’t forget egg is aphrodisiac food it boost up the sex drive. | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/23/2009 3:04:59 PM | Raw Eggs and Cholesterol
The scare about healthy cholesterol from whole foods like eggs is unfair. The amount of consumed cholesterol has nothing to do with the amount of cholesterol in the body.
Eggs contain valuable fat which helps cleanse and lubricate our internal structures. Fat and cholesterol from damaged fats, like margarine, or cheap vegetable oils, are the types of fats that lead to adverse health consequences. It is important to differentiate good fats from unhealthy fats.
Bad press about eggs is mostly sponsored by industries that want people to consume overly processed and unhealthy foods. Do not be afraid to consume high quality eggs, a product direct from nature, just because some backwards science leads you to believe that delicious and satisfying foods like eggs might cause heart disease or some other health problem.
Eggs are one of nature's most nutritious foods. One large egg contains only 70 calories and an incredible amount of nutrition. Include eggs as part of your healthy diet and let the facts speak for themselves!
Lutein and zeaxanthin are important for maintaining good vision. Studies have shown that these antioxidants help prevent age-related macular degeneration-the leading cause of blindness in people over 65, and help decrease the risk of cataracts. For more information on lutein and good vision, . | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/23/2009 3:06:38 PM | The Health Benefits of Raw Eggs By John Claydon D.Hom
The process of cooking eggs destroy the very goodness that our bodies so desperately need as the nature of proteins and fats is altered when exposed to heat. When cooked, the egg protein changes its chemical shape; it is often this process that can be the cause of allergies. Generally when eating raw eggs, any incidence of egg allergy will disappear.
Surprisingly, in spite of ‘bad press’ raw eggs, organic or at least from a known source of healthy free-range chickens, are an excellent health tonic. The regular consumption of raw eggs will do wonders for your overall health. Exceptionally easy to digest, raw eggs provide a wonderful boost to the immune system, and a completely balanced nutritional package. A good immune system is one of several things the body needs to overcome cancer.
Many people’s diets are deficient in high quality proteins and fats, and eggs are one the very best sources of these. Raw eggs have many benefits, they contain essential nutrients for the brain, nerves, glands and hormones, they are nutritionally balanced, and we highly recommend the addition of raw eggs to your nutritional program. The sulphur amino acids help to keep you young, raw eggs also contain an abundance of other vital substances including protein, essential fatty acids along with niacin, riboflavin, biotin, choline, vitamins A, D and E, magnesium, potassium, phosphorous, manganese, iron, iodine, copper, zinc and sulphur. Egg yolks are one of the few foods that contain vitamin D.
Poisoning from salmonella has been exaggerated in the past. A study by the U.S. Department of Agriculture in 2002 indicated that only 2.3 million, of the 69 billion eggs produced annually, are contaminated with salmonella. In other words 0.003% or 1 in every 30,000 eggs. The bulk of these come from battery chicken eggs and chickens kept in unhealthy conditions - only sick chickens lay salmonella contaminated eggs. If only healthy chicken eggs (organic and free range ideally) are consumed, then far less than one in 30,000 eggs are contaminated. Salmonella is a common micro-organism found almost everywhere, and is just as likely, or more likely, to proliferate on cooked food kept in the fridge. Infection is normally mild gastric symptoms, but in rare cases where the immune system is very low such in the elderly who have had much anti-biotic use, and the source is greatly contaminated, death can result. But such a person is highly lightly to contract one of many common micro-organisms and die from that. To give some perspective, in the highly unusual situation of contracting Salmonella, in a healthy person, an infection is nothing to worry about and is easily treated with high quality pro-biotic every half an hour until you feel better. | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/23/2009 3:07:18 PM | Method of Consuming Raw Eggs
From day one of starting raw eggs, your immune system becomes stronger and health will improve. We recommend Zell Oxygen as a key supplement for overall health enhancement. Three raw eggs a day (this will take the place of one meal), seems to be the preferred amount taken by people who regularly consume raw eggs. It is sensible to build up the amount of raw eggs consumed gradually. They are best taken by breaking them into a cup and swallowing whole. It can be helpful to cut through the yolk with a knife to make it easier to swallow, If you have a mental problem with swallowing raw eggs, (they are almost tasteless and easy to swallow) blend with a little goats or sheep’s milk or even avocado, but ideally raw eggs should not be blended as the molecular structure is damaged. Inspect the egg, if it has been cracked do not use it, once broken into the cup or blender smell it, if it smells off do not use it.
It is best to keep eggs un-refrigerated, but in a cool place. Refrigeration can destroy the vital amino acids in raw eggs and can also disguise the distinctive smell of an egg that has gone off.
Raw Eggs and Cholesterol
There is no danger from the cholesterol build up since 2/3 of cholesterol in the body is produced by the liver. The amount of cholesterol consumed in the diet does not relate to the amount of cholesterol deposited. Many studies have shown that the cholesterol in eggs does not raise cholesterol level in the body. Furthermore, eggs contain Lecithin, a valuable nutrient that helps the body to process fats and cholesterol.
Eggs contain valuable fat needed to keep us healthy. On the other hand heated or processed fats are converted into Trans-fats - toxic chemicals that harden in the body, around every cell and clog the circulation. Margarine contains an abundance of Trans-fats and is not part of a healthy diet. Do not be afraid of that natural product that has been eaten with no adverse effects for thousands of years, butter. The initial report that cholesterol in foods leads to health problems was released to the press without scientific validation, and has since been proven by hundreds of scientists and studies around the world to be completely false. The only benefits from the initial press release were to the margarine and vegetable oil industries.
Raw Eggs and Biotin Deficiency
Nature created an egg to be a balanced live food – as long as you eat the biotin rich yolk along with the white, there is no risk of a biotin deficiency.
Quote from the book “The Recipe for Living Without Disease” By Aajonus Vonderplanitz
Free range (ideally from healthy chickens, including organically certified, even better are fertile eggs).
“Raw eggs are one of the best compact foods in nature. Eggs are the ultimate, complete fast food. However the protein in eggs is not utilized for cellular reproduction. They are utilized for regeneration and maintenance. The relationship between raw eggs and salmonella poisoning is a myth"
(Reference the great egg panic by Emily Green, LA R times Jan 2000)
Eggs are remarkable for everyone especially the infirm. Three years ago a medical doctor called me on a Thursday evening about her 70 yr old female patient with emphysema. She explained that her patient had been mainly bed-ridden for two years, was on 100% oxygen and respiratory machines. Her prognoses was that her patient would die that weekend unless I could help. I told her that the only thing I thought might help at that late stage was eggs. I recommended that she get her patient 10 dozen raw eggs, and put them on her bed table. I suggested that she ask her patient to eat one as often as she could and that there was no limit. Very early Monday morning, I received a call from the patient. She told me that she was off the machines, out of bed and feeling stronger that she had in years. She had eaten 66 raw eggs over the weekend.
If eggs are whipped, beaten or blended without raw milk, raw cream, or coconut cream, many of the enzymes are oxidized and lost.” It is best to break open the egg into a cup or glass and swallow whole. Most people are repelled by this, but with a little courage it is found to be easy. There is almost no taste and the egg, even big ones are easily swallowed. Generally, I find, 3 to 4 eggs taken in the morning are an important part of my well-being program. The cholesterol in raw eggs is not deposited in the arteries and is an essential nutrient for aiding health and well-being. The white of the egg has been said to interfere with biotin assimilation, but nature knows best by making the egg yolk very rich in biotin. The egg in its entirety is a very balanced food and only supports health and should be taken in its entirety, yolk and white together. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 3:33:50 PM | I can't recall where I read this, although I am reasonably sure it was an old Prevention magazine article.
But the article stated that the reason eggs do not adversely affect blood serum cholesterol levels is because they contain lecithin, which supposedly inhibits cholesterol absorption.
Unfortunately, I do not know of any corroboration for that statement. Maybe someone here can confirm (or deny) this.
Jd | |
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| ok, what's the consensus on RAW EGGS?
Posted: 7/24/2009 3:45:53 AM | Low bio availability as supported by this study
Egg proteins contribute substantially to the daily nitrogen allowances in Western countries and are generally considered to be highly digestible. However, information is lacking on the true ileal digestibility of either raw or cooked egg protein. The recent availability of stable isotope-labeled egg protein allowed determination of the true ileal digestibility of egg protein by means of noninvasive tracer techniques. Five ileostomy patients were studied, once after ingestion of a test meal consisting of 25 g of cooked 13C- and 15N-labeled egg protein, and once after ingestion of the same test meal in raw form. Ileal effluents and breath samples were collected at regular intervals after consumption of the test meal and analyzed for 15N- and 13C-content, respectively. The true ileal digestibility of cooked and raw egg protein amounted to 90.9 ± 0.8 and 51.3 ± 9.8%, respectively. A significant negative correlation (r = -0.92, P < 0.001) was found between the 13C-recovery in breath and the recovery of exogenous N in the ileal effluents. In summary, using the 15N-dilution technique we demonstrated that the assimilation of cooked egg protein is efficient, albeit incomplete, and that the true ileal digestibility of egg protein is significantly enhanced by heat-pretreatment. A simple 13C-breath test technique furthermore proved to be a suitable alternative for the evaluation of the true ileal digestibility of egg protein.
KEY WORDS: egg protein · digestibility · stable isotopes · food processing · humans | |
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