| "unconditional" love !!!!
Posted: 7/22/2009 6:26:32 AM | is there really a such thing "unconditional" love ?
l say no, it is a creation of fiction writers and it something
that has destroyed the family and cause people to live in fantasy
world where they miss out on real life opportunities for happiness and love.
if you disagree then produce one example of unconditional love.  | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 1:46:14 PM | if you disagree then produce one example of unconditional love.
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Jesus? The only condition is that you accept his yoke. Which is light. A comfort. No, I'm not a Christian. I'm a Jew as was Jesus. And not "oh by the way..."
He was an observant Jew. A rabbi. If you can prove or disprove your contention one way or the other, what's the pay off? What's the prize? Being right? That's the booby prize.
You want to be right or do you want to be happy? Yes, only God loves unconditionally. That's why mankind invented him. And he/she/ it/ is no less the real for all of that. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 11:25:38 PM |
is there really a such thing "unconditional" love ?
Yes...but I don't believe it's attainable amongst humans. Too many expectations get in the way of acceptance.
if you disagree then produce one example of unconditional love.
I believe a dogs love for its master is unconditional.
ps. ever notice that GOD spelled backwards is DOG!!  | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 4:22:00 AM | Beat your dog every day and see how long it takes for unconditional love to turn on you.
I don't think the issue is unconditional love ... I love my partner, and there are no conditions attached to that ... I don't always like her, but I still love her.
So perhaps it's more a question of unconditional tolerance, and that, I don't possess. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 6:37:07 AM | I have to agree with lapilot. I think the more we can love and be happy with that, the less the conditons take hold. I saw this great movie where two people were falling out in a relationship of marrage. By intervention one was convinced to save the relationship by taking on a 40 day task of doing things once a day to show his desire to continue the marrage. Both eventually consumated but it took dedicated working and understanding.
I think what was important is that they originally loved one another and they fell from that, they had to be reminded and awoken that that love was still part of them and always would be, connecting to that original love was and is the origin of making furture choices that will steer your future direction. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 7:43:06 PM | | I think the closest a human can come to unconditional love is that of some mothers for for their children. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2009 8:36:01 AM | | ---I remember standing with my Bride listening to the Minister. I was looking at her and all kinds of thoughts were racing through my mind. The main thought was how much Love I had for her. One thought that I never will forget was , If she were to have an accident that left her paralyzed in a wheel chair....I knew I would take care of her for the rest of my/her days. Then the thought if she ever cheated...could I forgive her? I felt it would be difficult but I would try my best to forgive. These are a couple of examples. Now some of you might think easy to say this but in reality would it be different. I can't answer that. I also believe that just because you Love unconditionally, it does not mean the same as staying with that person no matter what. You can move on with your life but still have Love for that person. Mothers and Fathers alike dis-own their own children over acts of humiliation or other reasons, but do they Love them? I say "Love the person, hate the sin" Love can be the most joyous feeling in the world and could be the most harmful emotion as well. All in all, I do believe in unconditional Love. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2009 6:05:23 AM | love is a 4 letters word involving:
-- 2 vowels,
-- 2 consonnants, and
-- 2 fools.  | |
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Posted: 7/26/2009 7:34:42 AM | maybe between you and parents (and even then you are scarping the barrel) - no i would say unconditional love is another of the many, many myths and misnomas we seem to be enduring nowadays! | |
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Posted: 7/26/2009 7:35:00 AM | | maybe between you and parents (and even then you are scraping the barrel) - no i would say unconditional love is another of the many, many myths and misnomas we seem to be enduring nowadays! | |
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Posted: 7/26/2009 9:57:55 AM | I think to turn this question around is to question what stops people from experiencing unconditional love.
Expectations create conditions – Expectations happen as a result of your desires of the other… that is not unconditional love.
I think in order to feel at peace with loving someone is to know what your intent is and to keep that in the forefront: with intent comes patience in yourself as well as the willingness to forgive the other for messing up your intent…lol…not the expectation.
In order for yourself to forgive you need to have compassion which is surrendering and being vulnerable without fears to the moment – you feel secure with your intent – the other does not live up to your intent? That is not their problem. It really is a mind set.
Be compassionate! That is unconditional love.
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Posted: 7/26/2009 7:28:59 PM | Please (lol!) Dances, forgive me it's late maybe I'm tired, but I have no idea what you just said. I tried two or three times, but still don't get it.
But compassion is key, I agree. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 6:45:22 AM | oh cindyloo u took the words right out of my mouth..
i have always felt that the love from my own mother was unconditonal, as is the love i have for my own
as for relationships - well we strive for it (don't we?) | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 10:21:56 PM | heartfelt7 on 7/27/2009 12:05:23 AM
(love is a 4 letters word involving:
-- 2 vowels,
-- 2 consonnants, and
-- 2 fools)
You seem very bitter and perhaps your experiences in life reflect your perceptions.
You may choose (or not choose)to Believe me when I say that if such an experience ever does permeate your psyche' .Your thought processes and attitude will be entirely different to your currently (cynical) attitude.
It could happen when you least expect it and it behoves one to stop and think(with logic) that diffinitively expressed comments without justification or (proven) fact
is subject to irrational evaluation;thereby rendering such conclusions valueless (from a rational construct).
Unrequited and/or unconditional love is an experience that is real and poignant
within the human 'soul' and can be triggered by the most unexpected chain
of events when least expected or anticipated.
I personally would not sneer at such strong and powerful human emotions.
Millions of humans give thanks to their parents for that very (human) emotion. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 1:22:31 AM | A son's love for a basically good mother
would be my opinion.
When it comes down to it. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 3:37:06 AM | andithoughtwow on 7/29/2009 7 31 PM
The very existence of a human being from conception is dependent
on the unconditional love of the mother and what is amazing is the
real sacrifices mothers make;and never stop making all their lives.
Women would without doubt be the greatest of all living species and I am
reminded of their 'dark and stark' outline against the sky foraging around
for 'bits and pieces' of their belongings and home after the bombing of
The Lebanon.They had already started getting back to what was essentially
survival so that they could make a meal for their LOVED ONES whilst tears
kept streaming down their eyes.
Nope,never saw any men around!!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 5:40:50 AM | I believe there is unconditional love.
Have you ever had someone treat you with such kindness that it brought tears to your eyes because of the joy you felt inside? Accept you completely for who and what you are....... or are not? That doesn't mean they like you, agree with you, or want anything to do with you. It just means they accept you........ exactly the way you are at this moment. That is unconditional love...... without expectations.
It was the kindness and gentle touch of a friend's love that has enabled me to give back. Through God's Grace I was given the gift of a wonderful woman who taught me to trust God and love people. My dear friend, my mentor, my rock, passed away in January of 2000. Annie, I miss you..
There isn't a day that goes by that I don't feel her in my heart, hear her words in my head or remember the lessons she shared with me. She was the strongest person I have ever known. She was filled with love and acceptance of mankind. She gave all and took nothing, except the knowledge that she was living the life God had laid out for her. She nurtured and tended to every relationship she had. She never judged or condemned anyone. She understood that we all have character defects. She loved us for, and in spite of, those defects. With unconditional love she enveloped us into her life. She listened with an open mind and heart. She would give strength to others just by being there. She would give God credit for all she gave, never taking credit for anything. She was humble, she had integrity, she was 'right sized'.
She always told me, "You get two things in life, gifts and lessons. The gifts are the people God has put in your life, the lessons are what you learn from them." She taught me to be quiet and listen. To love and forgive. To be… open minded, fair minded and strong minded. Open to all possibilities, all ideas, all directions. Fair in judgement, attitude and to myself. Strong in my love, belief, trust and faith that my God will guide me through anything.
She taught me I have nothing to give if I haven't walked through it myself. My opinion is for me, my experience is to be shared. She told me to keep my nose on my face and tend to my own garden. She said life is too short to worry about what other people think about me. The important thing is, what do I think about myself. She would say, "I don’t like it when you beat my friend up. I don't want to have to fight you for her. You're not bigger than God. He loves you and He is never wrong."
Annie suffered greatly from a cancer that took over her body the last year of her life here on earth. I know, I spent everyday with her. You would never have known, she never complained. She was in a wheelchair the last 8 months. That didn't stop her. She would show up at your doorstep, at your job, at your side. Whenever and wherever she felt someone needed cheering up or a pat on the back, she was there. The last moments of her life were spent going over her own inventory. Making sure she didn't leave out one soul from her prayers. Always thinking of others, always giving. She was the happiest person I have ever known.
The kindness she gave to me still brings tears to my eyes. That kindness touched my heart, my soul, and lives there still. I’ll never forget, I’ll always believe and I will continue to love people and trust God.
Thank you God for my gifts and lessons. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 9:47:37 AM |
andithoughtwow on 7/29/2009 731 PM
The very existence of a human being ...the bombing of
The Lebanon.They had already started getting back to what was essentially
survival so that they could make a meal for their LOVED ONES whilst tears
kept streaming down their eyes.
Nope,never saw any men around!!!!!!!!
those must have been pretend male doctors treating the women then.
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Posted: 7/29/2009 4:49:03 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The scene of carnage and dead bodies subsequent to the
bombing with resultant horrific burns and human trauma
were the result of (mainly) males and the medical assistance
given by male (and female) doctors left these women to 'fend'
for themselves.
My point is that there were no male Lebanese family members
in sight.
This indicates that the BULL-APE MENTALITY
(WHERE MURDER AND MAYHEM IS CREATED)
OF MALES is alive and well;WITH WOMEN always
picking up the pieces.The gutless males hide somewhere
in 'holes' unexposed to the light of day for fear that they may
be identified for the scum that they are!
Apart from the fact that their young daughters and they
themselves get raped when invasions take place THEY
have to pick up the remains of what once was a home
and suffer the trauma of returning to 'Normal' life.
THE FACT IS THAT 'MALES AND MALES ALONE' HAVE
INITIATED AND IMPLEMENTED THE GREATEST
MAJORITY OF WARS,RAPE,CARNAGE AND MURDER
THROUGHOUT HISTORY AND women have had to bear the brunt
of this suffering.
For approximately 50% of the human population to behave like
this and inflict such horrendous pain on the other 50% of the
human race is obscene;both in war and peace and the BULL APE
MALE MENTALITY HAS TO BE EXPOSED FOR WHAT IT IS!
There is actually a thread on this site that commences with "It's Scientifically proven.......I am A pig".
As long as males continue to behave like pigs and inflict suffering
on all other living organisms on earth this carnage will continue endlessly.
The only love I have evidenced in these experiences is the
compassion and care offered unconditionally by women.
The OP may well be right when stating that LOVE in these experiences
is not in surfeit. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 6:06:29 PM | This is my testament to "unconditional love!"
THE STORY BEHIND
THE PRAYING HANDS PICTURE
Back in the fifteenth century, in a tiny village near Nuremberg, lived a family with eighteen children. Eighteen! In order merely to keep food on the table for this mob, the father and head of the household, a goldsmith by profession, worked almost eighteen hours a day at his trade and any other paying chore he could find in the neighborhood. Despite their seemingly hopeless condition, two of Albrecht Durer the Elder's children had a dream. They both wanted to pursue their talent for art, but they knew full well that their father would never be financially able to send either of them to Nuremberg to study at the Academy.
After many long discussions at night in their crowded bed, the two boys finally worked out a pact. They would toss a coin. The loser would go down into the nearby mines and, with his earnings, support his brother while he attended the academy. Then, when that brother who won the toss completed his studies, in four years, he would support the other brother at the academy, either with sales of his artwork or, if necessary, also by laboring in the mines. They tossed a coin on a Sunday morning after church. Albrecht Durer (Junior) won the toss and went off to Nuremberg.
Albert went down into the dangerous mines and, for the next four years, financed his brother, whose work at the academy was almost an immediate sensation. Albrecht's etchings, his woodcuts, and his oils were far better than those of most of his professors, and by the time he graduated, he was beginning to earn considerable fees for his commissioned works.
When the young artist returned to his village, the Durer family held a festive dinner on their lawn to celebrate Albrecht's triumphant homecoming. After a long and memorable meal, punctuated with music and laughter, Albrecht rose from his honored position at the head of the table to drink a toast to his beloved brother for the years of sacrifice that had enabled Albrecht to fulfill his ambition. His closing words were, "And now, Albert, blessed brother of mine, now it is your turn. Now you can go to Nuremberg to pursue your dream, and I will take care of you."
All heads turned in eager expectation to the far end of the table where Albert sat, tears streaming down his pale face, shaking his lowered head from side to side while he sobbed and repeated, over and over, "No ...no...no...no."
Finally, Albert rose and wiped the tears from his cheeks. He glanced down the long table at the faces he loved, and then, holding his hands close to his right cheek, he said softly, "No, brother. I cannot go to Nuremberg. It is too late for me. Look ... look what four years in the mines have done to my hands! The bones in every finger have been smashed at least once, and lately I have been suffering from arthritis so badly in my right hand that I cannot even hold a glass to return your toast, much less make delicate lines on parchment or canvas with a pen or a brush. No, brother ... for me it is too late."
More than 450 years have passed. By now, Albrecht Durer's hundreds of masterful portraits, pen and silver-point sketches, watercolors, charcoals, woodcuts, and copper engravings hang in every great museum in the world, but the odds are great that you, like most people, are familiar with only one of Albrecht Durer's works. More than merely being familiar with it, you very well may have a reproduction hanging in your home or office.
One day, to pay homage to Albert for all that he had sacrificed, Albrecht Durer painstakingly drew his brother's abused hands with palms together and thin fingers stretched skyward. He called his powerful drawing simply "Hands," but the entire world almost immediately opened their hearts to his great masterpiece and renamed his tribute of love "The Praying Hands."
The next time you see a copy of that touching creation, take a second look. Let it be your reminder, if you still need one, that no one --no one-- ever makes it alone! | |
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Posted: 7/30/2009 4:23:26 AM | | Thank you so much, I love these little sketches of history. Thanks for sharing that. | |
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