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 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 7/28/2009 5:29:51 AM
Well call this another piece of evidence to throw in the face of the "abstinence only" brigade. The results are in for the results of the Bush Administrations big push on this issue. Here is a hint, Bristol is with company.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/20/bush-teen-pregnancy-cdc-report


Teen pregnancy and disease rates rose sharply during Bush years, agency finds

• Aids cases in adolescent boys have nearly doubled
• Fall in gonorrhea infection rate reversed

Teenage pregnancies and syphilis have risen sharply among a generation of American school girls who were urged to avoid sex before marriage under George Bush's evangelically-driven education policy, according to a new report by the US's major public health body.

In a report that will surprise few of Bush's critics on the issue, the Centres for Disease Control says years of falling rates of teenage pregnancies and sexually transmitted disease infections under previous administrations were reversed or stalled in the Bush years. According to the CDC, birth rates among teenagers aged 15 or older had been in decline since 1991 but are up sharply in more than half of American states since 2005. The study also revealed that the number of teenage females with syphilis has risen by nearly half after a significant decrease while a two-decade fall in the gonorrhea infection rate is being reversed. The number of Aids cases in adolescent boys has nearly doubled.

The CDC says that southern states, where there is often the greatest emphasis on abstinence and religion, tend to have the highest rates of teenage pregnancy and STDs.

In addition, about 16,000 pregnancies were reported among 10- to 14-year-old girls in 2004 and a similar number of young people in the age group reported having a sexually transmitted disease.

"It is disheartening that after years of improvement with respect to teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases, we now see signs that progress is stalling and many of these trends are going in the wrong direction," said Janet Collins, a CDC director.

Although the CDC does not attribute a cause, groups that support comprehensive sex education have seized on the report as evidence of the failure of religiously-driven policies that shy away from teaching about contraception in favour of emphasising avoiding sexual contact.

Planned Parenthood said the CDC report is "alarming" and confirms that teenagers need "medically accurate, age-appropriate, comprehensive sex education".

But supporters of abstinence-based education said that the new report shows that there is too little not too much emphasis on discouraging sex before marriage.

Kristi Hamrick, a spokeswoman for American Values, which describes itself as a supporter of traditional marriage and "against liberal education and cultural forces", said the abstinence message is overwhelmed by a culture obsessed with sex.

"It is ridiculous to say that a programme we nominally invest in has failed when it fails to overcome the most sexualised culture in world history. Education that emphasises abstinence as the best option for teens makes up a minuscule part of overall sex education in the United States," she said.

"In every other area of public policy - food, drugs, alcohol - we tell children what is the best choice. It seems very bizarre that the sex education establishment rejects the idea that we should talk to kids about what is best for them. We don't take vodka to drivers education because children will drink and drive."


Didn't see this one coming. Hey way to increase the number of abortions there Republicans.
 EarlzP

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Posted: 7/28/2009 5:50:23 AM

Didn't see this one coming. Hey way to increase the number of abortions there Republicans.


Give them a chance they will find a way to shift the blame to the democrats just like they have with the economy
 cpfstock

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Posted: 7/28/2009 5:54:40 AM
Wait!! I thought is was the rise in sexual content of TV, music, movies, etc. that is causing this. Now you tell me it's not the media's fault. It's GWB that's responsible for all these pregnant teenage girls. He must have been very busy
Bet ole Bill is green with envy
 EarlzP

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Posted: 7/28/2009 6:05:24 AM

Wait!! I thought is was the rise in sexual content of TV, music, movies, etc. that is causing this. Now you tell me it's not the media's fault. It's GWB that's responsible for all these pregnant teenage girls. He must have been very busy
Bet ole Bill is green with envy


Maybe we should address the real issue, teenagers reaching physical maturity a lot sooner then what we did years ago due to the hormones that are being used in the food we eat may be the factor we should be looking at. Are there other factors? without a doubt we are not going to convince them not to when every fiber of their body is ready. Sex education aimed at contraceptives and responsibility is probably the best choice unless we can get the Goverment to limit the additives they put in live stock feed, who knows maybe it's to late to reverse the effects caused by the hormones used
 cpfstock

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Posted: 7/28/2009 6:23:51 AM
Earl, I really think the reasons are kids have less parental supervison now with both parents working and sexual taboos are viewed much differently than when I was a teenager. Take the Stanley intern affair discussed here. It's not a new thing. But, back then the press would just let it go. You see the same thing with Mickey Mantle and his press vs. Alex Rodriguez and his coverage.
It's a gotcha world now.
 NoBushLover

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Posted: 7/28/2009 7:46:08 AM
^^Umm since the teenage pregnancy rate was LOWER under Clinton, I doubt it was TV and working moms who caused the teenage pregnancy

Unless you're so out of it you think there was no TV or working moms during the Clinton presidency.
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 7/28/2009 8:32:47 AM
What about the uniquely american experience of the single mom working 3 jobs............

How about the kid that weighs 500 lbs... His mother works 3 jobs and feeds him Big Mac's...........

Where does the Palin kid fit in to this dis...?
She is a spokes person for abstinence Programs....

something she knows nothing about.........
 EmptyBedFred

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Posted: 7/29/2009 6:01:33 AM
It's not about actual abstinence, which is a myth. It's about the results of a limited school curriculum which touts abstinence and keeps students ignorant about every other aspect of human sexuality vs. a comprehensive school curriculum which educates young people about the cause and prevention of pregnancy and sexually-transmitted infections.

The studies confirm that students who receive no education about the cause and prevention of pregnancy have a lot more unplanned pregnancies. What a surprise!

What I find supremely ironic is the very same Christian fundangelicals who profess to dislike abortion are the people pressuring schools to adopt a curriculum which increases the need for abortion.
 EarlzP

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Posted: 7/29/2009 6:28:35 AM

Earl, I really think the reasons are kids have less parental supervison now with both parents working and sexual taboos are viewed much differently than when I was a teenager. Take the Stanley intern affair discussed here. It's not a new thing. But, back then the press would just let it go. You see the same thing with Mickey Mantle and his press vs. Alex Rodriguez and his coverage.
It's a gotcha world now.


I have little to no doubt that parental supervision plays an important role, but if we hand a child a lighter we have to expect they are going to light it. Young adults today find theirselves inhabiting the physical body of a mature adult and still dealing with the mentality of a teenager.

We live in a society of quick fixes, we treat the symptoms without looking at the primary causes and then act surprised when our answers don't equate to resolutions. We can't lock these kids up until they are emotionally and mentally ready to deal with the results of their actions so we need to start to identify and treat root causes. One of the things that contribute to teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases are the additives they put in feed stock that interfere with the natural progression of human sexuality. Maybe we need parenting classes to teach the how to's to the parents of todays children many of them who grew up in environments where one or both parents were involved in the struggle of providing a home and the other essentials plus a lot of extras

Maybe todays shrinking job market will have a positive effect and more parents will resume the role of parenting, we are only helpless if we want to be
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 7/29/2009 2:48:09 PM
If you lose one Job............ you worked 3...............Down to 2 jobs...........
Better parenting???
Maybe brake the kids arm or leg ... let them beg.....

Entrepreneur... do an "S" corp
 ChinaShopBull

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Posted: 7/29/2009 5:18:47 PM
I stubbed my toe this morning for the first time in a decade... Damn Obama!


 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 7/29/2009 5:22:46 PM

Wait!! I thought is was the rise in sexual content of TV, music, movies, etc. that is causing this. Now you tell me it's not the media's fault. It's GWB that's responsible for all these pregnant teenage girls. He must have been very busy


While you may think Bush is directly responsible for the teen pregnancy rather than his policies in this regard. Adults are generally capable of seeing beyond one degree of separation.

Now on to your assumptions that this is a media issue. Canada gets all the same media you do. The showcase, the MTV, the shitty fox reality shows. HBO, ect.

http://www.canada.com/topics/bodyandhealth/story.html?id=e5dad385-c1d5-4ae2-9681-8aa188f5496a


Teen pregnancies in Canada at all-time low

The rate of teen pregnancies in Canada has hit an all-time low and has fallen more dramatically than in the United States and England over the last three decades, says new research published.


I'm amused at the idea that the anti sex ed states have such higher consumption of sexualized materials than the northern states, and that somehow causes the north to have a lower teen pregnancy rate. (or socialist canuckistan for that matter).
 EarlzP

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Posted: 7/29/2009 6:04:09 PM

'm amused at the idea that the anti sex ed states have such higher consumption of sexualized materials than the northern states, and that somehow causes the north to have a lower teen pregnancy rate. (or socialist canuckistan for that matter).


Since your more familiar with Canada then I am ( I had a long term 7 year relationship with a lady In Toronto) what do you attribute the difference too? Is it sex education? Parenting? Does Canada allow the use of hormones in their live stock feed? Is it abstinence?
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 7/29/2009 10:24:48 PM
Is it sex education? Parenting? Does Canada allow the use of hormones in their live stock feed? Is it abstinence?


Sex ed really, my country while currently being run by a conservative minority has not had it's education hijacked by the "world was made in 6000 years, and sex is bad bad bad, and we're not telling you how to protect yourself" crowd.

Yah we use hormones. We just respect our children enough to think that giving them more information in order to make a decision is the right call.

Sex ed starts when you're REAAAALLY young, just like Obama was villified for advocating. It's contextual, sex ed in grade school is the basic "this is where babies come from" variety, and "this is how your body is going to change." ect. leading up to the condoms and banana's in grade 12.

Let me tell you, kids believe some crazy shit. I remember they gave us a test before we were taught anything, and it basically showed us we didn't know crap. Even the most educated of us on the topic.
 EarlzP

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Posted: 7/30/2009 3:51:31 AM

Sex ed really, my country while currently being run by a conservative minority has not had it's education hijacked by the "world was made in 6000 years, and sex is bad bad bad, and we're not telling you how to protect yourself" crowd.


HMMMM Let me see if I can find some off the wall reason for the difference, got it, it's the ethnic differences, no maybe it's because you all live in igloos no place to do the bad thing igloo to small, bears outside means limited area to get at it.

You know that Obama guy probably looks to see what is working and does not mind modeling his plans based on successful out comes

Thank you for the input
 Swamp_Hunter

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Posted: 7/30/2009 4:42:28 AM

Well call this another piece of evidence to throw in the face of the "abstinence only" brigade. The results are in for the results of the Bush Administrations big push on this issue. Here is a hint, Bristol is with company.


I hear Bush is also responsible for an increase in pig farts in Iowa, a rise in the occurrence of ingrown toenails, and a sharp increase in the dung beetle population - but I think it's really the liberals on that last one...

Just keep blaming everything you can on Bush though... People will remember it when our nation practically falls apart under Obama...
 EarlzP

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Posted: 7/30/2009 5:00:22 AM

I hear Bush is also responsible for an increase in pig farts in Iowa, a rise in the occurrence of ingrown toenails, and a sharp increase in the dung beetle population - but I think it's really the liberals on that last one...

Just keep blaming everything you can on Bush though... People will remember it when our nation practically falls apart under Obama...


It does not appear that facts impress you, you perfer to run around in a perpetual state of hatred that's a big reason we are in the trouble we are in. If president Obama is able to bring us out of this depressed economy he inherited from the previous administration it will be a testament to his insight and determination. Your pure hatred is not isolated to you, it's apparent that it is wide spread throughout your party, it's evident that you would sacrifice the country to ensure the failure of President Obama and his administration
 Swamp_Hunter

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Posted: 7/30/2009 7:05:24 AM
It does not appear that facts impress you, you perfer to run around in a perpetual state of hatred that's a big reason we are in the trouble we are in. If president Obama is able to bring us out of this depressed economy he inherited from the previous administration it will be a testament to his insight and determination. Your pure hatred is not isolated to you, it's apparent that it is wide spread throughout your party, it's evident that you would sacrifice the country to ensure the failure of President Obama and his administration


It isn't Bush's fault your party chose to elect such a polarizing President. He didn't force you to elect a socialist who spends TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of other people's money like it's water.... Bush didn't cause your heavy handed majority to pull all the crap they've pulled...

Not "IF", but "WHEN" this all blows up in your faces, the voters won't be blaming Bush anymore. The blame for that will fall EXACTLY where it belongs, on the Democrat party which now controls the House, the Senate, and the Oval office...

If you think I hate Obama, just wait and see what the voters think when hyperinflation sets in... Oh and it's coming... BIGTIME... But like I said, you just keep right on blaming Bush... Oh PUHLEEZE keep blaming Bush! The more you do it, the less it will mean. Eventually the voters will see that for the crap it is and just laugh...

I have bad news for you... Obama is dropping like a rock in the polls, and not just with Republicans... By 2010, and certainly by 2012, this country will be ready for "CHANGE" alright! :)
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 7/30/2009 8:49:24 AM


I hear Bush is also responsible for an increase in pig farts in Iowa, a rise in the occurrence of ingrown toenails, and a sharp increase in the dung beetle population -



bit off topic BUTT........

I will get back to U on theb Toenails and beetles..........





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 EarlzP

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Posted: 7/30/2009 9:07:40 AM

It isn't Bush's fault your party chose to elect such a polarizing President. He didn't force you to elect a socialist who spends TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of other people's money like it's water.... Bush didn't cause your heavy handed majority to pull all the crap they've pulled...


Same old BS if you can't dispute the facts change the subject, it appears that abstinence does not lead to fewer teen pregnancy and it does appear that sex ed works pretty well for our Canadian neighbors.

The problem is not a President who is ready to take the steps required to restore our economy the problem is a party so filled with hatred that the good of this country is not their primary concern.

Get over it the people elected a President who has real leadership capabilities and loves his country, remember as your spewing forth with your hatred that we are all going to swim or sink together
 Swamp_Hunter

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Posted: 7/30/2009 9:55:39 AM
I'm disputing the LOGIC... Simply pointing out that a rise occurred during the Bush years proves NOTHING... Maybe the kids were scarred for life when they were little and heard about Clinton getting blowjobs in the White House?
 Ready4SomethingFun

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Posted: 7/30/2009 10:26:07 AM

Get over it the people elected a President who has real leadership capabilities and loves his country


52% of the people, get it right, a little over half even with no real opponent in the race.


remember as your spewing forth with your hatred that we are all going to swim or sink together


blub blub blub blub, life raft anyone? The S.S. Obama is fading fast!



What does any of this have to do with knocked up teenagers?
 futureshock

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Posted: 7/30/2009 6:01:13 PM
Many teens become pregnant on purpose. I don't know what to attribute the rise in the numbers of these types of pregnant teens to.
 Bookworm70

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Posted: 7/30/2009 6:22:24 PM
Why is it that teen pregnancies increasing while Republicans controlled both the White House and Congress (for most of the time), and were therefore allowed to implement their policies to a much greater degree, all of a suddent doesn't mean that their policies were responsible? I have a nagging suspicion that if it had been the Dems in control while their had been this kind of a marked increase, certain people in this thread would be singing a different tune entirely....
 EarlzP

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Posted: 7/30/2009 8:01:41 PM

What does any of this have to do with knocked up teenagers?



Same old BS if you can't dispute the facts change the subject, it appears that abstinence does not lead to fewer teen pregnancy and it does appear that sex ed works pretty well for our Canadian neighbors.


It's impossible for me to know how you feel your party lead us into this economic depression and to top that off they preach abstinance to our teenagers and the teen pregnancy rate increases, Your party is now the party of no and it looks like you will just continue to deteriorate until their are only the Rush and Hannity's left
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