| Hip Hop vs Rap
Posted: 8/10/2009 10:22:16 AM | Do you think most folks know the difference between Hip Hop and Rap. I mean most music fans know there are different genres and sub genres in other forms of music like soft rock, death metal, hard rock, etc....
I ask this bc people that I tell that I listen to hip hop, think I listen to 50 cent lil wayne and all that autotune crap. It annoys me. Hip Hop is a true form and has a lot more to it than rapping. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap
Posted: 8/11/2009 12:03:56 AM | Hip hop is something you are.
Rapping is something you do.
I love Wu Tang, and have a Gravediggaz logo tattooed on me. | |
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| Hip Hop vs Rap
Posted: 8/11/2009 12:08:05 AM | rap = bling cars grills main steam garbage
hip hop= underground lyrical skill | |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 12:35:01 AM | hip hop doesnt just equal underground although a lot of my favorite artist are underground like brother ali, atmosphere, murs, masta ace, and old kool g rap.
I thin Jay z, ludacris, UGK and Scarface are all hip hop with many others.
I agree I started out as a b-boy and grew from some old heads in college park. It is just infuriating when you hear folks who dont know the difference run their mouth. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 1:41:00 AM | | love this reply so very very true | |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 4:11:54 PM | | Yea, I don't think they know the difference. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 8:19:41 PM | Agreed that there can be a difference, but don't you think some people get a little bit semantic with it? It's not like there is a governing body out there to denote there difference...but I do think there is a real difference in the mind of people who don't really listen to real hip hop (there I go saying it, haha)...it's like...oh shit, rap, I hate that. And it's pretty ridiculous to hate a whole genre but...people do what they do, right?
Also, anyone a Canibus fan? | |
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Posted: 8/12/2009 6:48:49 AM | | not a fan of cannibus had great lyrics but his flow and voice are annoying as hell. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2009 9:09:17 AM | | I wasn't a huge fan of his flow/voice either at first, now he and nas are pretty much all i can stand to listen to anymore. i can't wait for bis' new CD...it's gonna be ridiculous. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2009 4:44:15 PM | Feel like the lines have been blurring steadily. I know conventional answer is hip hop is a lifestyle that includes break dancing, b-boying, graffiti art, dj'ing, Mc'ing, etc. And rap is just that, rapping. But strictly in terms of music, before I could have almost broken it down like hip hop is east coast (to get specific, NYC), and rap is everywhere else.
Besides that, I always though hip hop lyrics were more willfully clever, songs had a sense of humor often times, the samples were dirtier, had scratching, and the loops were a bit more redundant even if more instrumental. In terms of production value, rap seems more polished, like pop music, even if they're talking about dealing drugs and shooting mammals, whereas hip hop tries to maintain an almost improvisational, live feel.
To answer the question, I don't know any more. Some artists I can definitely say they're one or the other. Others, not so sure. Maybe because so many of the younger artists now were so profoundly influenced by both. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2009 6:31:34 PM | A friend of mine summed it up in these terms, and I probably agree with him for the most part.
Rap = usually focuses on the rapper and things pertaining to him/her (I am, I've got, I killed, etc.)
examples - Tupac, Biggie, Dr. Dre
Hip Hop = the stuff you hear in clubs that's typically centered around partying (dancing, sex, getting fücked up, etc.)
examples - Black Eyed Peas, 50 Cent, Lil Wayne | |
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Posted: 8/12/2009 8:25:06 PM | | ^^You think so? Man, switch those definitions around and you'll have it right. | |
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Posted: 8/13/2009 7:42:05 AM | I wasn't a huge fan of his flow/voice either at first, now he and nas are pretty much all i can stand to listen to anymore. i can't wait for bis' new CD...it's gonna be ridiculous. Not many people have the skills to eat a n$%^$r's a$$ like him. Yeah, he didn't have the smoothest flow, but especially in his battle tracks, his slightly annoying delivery kind of lent itself to the lyrics. He sounded like a petulant kid.
Don't really get the whole Lil Wayne thing. He's often called the hottest MC in music right now. Okay. They said the same thing about Tupac and Biggie, especially Biggie. And I feel like even if you hated rap music, if you heard Biggie, you could tell he was something special. Maybe only Rakim was a greater in-the-pocket rhymer than Biggie, but Biggie could also syncopate, was a better story teller, and his lyrics were more versatile. Anyway, his greatness was obvious. I feel like you play Lil Wayne along side You're a Jerk, or Hallie Berry song, or whatever, and he wouldn't necessarily stand out as being superior. | |
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Posted: 8/13/2009 10:58:06 AM |
Don't really get the whole Lil Wayne thing. He's often called the hottest MC in music right now. Okay. They said the same thing about Tupac and Biggie, especially Biggie. And I feel like even if you hated rap music, if you heard Biggie, you could tell he was something special. Maybe only Rakim was a greater in-the-pocket rhymer than Biggie, but Biggie could also syncopate, was a better story teller, and his lyrics were more versatile. Anyway, his greatness was obvious. I feel like you play Lil Wayne along side You're a Jerk, or Hallie Berry song, or whatever, and he wouldn't necessarily stand out as being superior.
Haha, I know some people that go INSANE on some, " OH MY GOD, DID YOU HEAR THAT!!>???!GTGGG>R" stuff whenever they hear a Wayne verse. I'll give him the pass since he actually writes coherent lyrics, but the guy IS NOT my cup of tea. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2009 8:23:54 AM | I hate waynes voice he is twenty something and sounds like he has not hit puberty.
I like mcs with bass to their voice that was my problem with cypress hill, loved the production but b-reals nasal voice got on my nerves. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2009 8:54:06 PM | Rap is the lyrics, the poetry and rhythm.
Hip hop is a culture, a style, it contains music, dance, and art. Rap is a category inside the hip hop culture.
If you think people will jump to conclusions about the music you listen to when you say you listen to hip hop, why not give them some examples of hip hop artists or groups that you listen to so that they can get an idea. It might even help them discover some new tunes. | |
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Posted: 8/16/2009 9:34:25 PM | | I'm with equalizure. Same crap, different pile. Musically, there isn't anything beyond elementary school level composition. I'm not crazy about either because I am formally educated in music performance and have actually performed on stage. What I listen to has to be interesting to me beyond clever lyrics. Musically, it is lacking. To me, it's like being in a library and checking out 'See Spot Run', when there are so many books with intricate plots to choose from instead. Aside from that, I'm tired of hearing about shooting cops, beating women, drugs, and the constant use of '' in the lyric. | |
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Posted: 8/16/2009 10:59:00 PM | no offense but both of yall show ignorance once again in something yall know nothing about. Not all hip hop has subject of that nature. That would be like me saying all country music is exactly the same, which is heartbroken lyrics about women and drinking and all heavy metal is the same 5 chords played as fast and hard as possible with no melody and a singer who cant sing but just yells at you.
And just to prove you wrong here is some links to hip hop that im sure you never heard of before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoLxuyV9qz8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPaYZ26Cw0
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Posted: 8/17/2009 12:02:13 AM | I agree with Peet and jdawg.
Rap is just part of the Hip Hop culture.
As well, not all of rap has the same subjects. Different songs, different subjects. Some are just made to crank up a party, and some are made to have a meaning. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2009 1:55:30 AM | Yeah I get the same problem. I feel I have to make it a point to differentiate that I like Hip-Hop and that Hip-Hop is something different from the utter crap people hear on the radio.
There are obviously always going to be people out there who will lump it all together out of ignorance, sticking to their preconceptions before even having the slightest notion of giving it a chance as has already been demonstrated in this thread. To them all I can say is the same thing I say to the people who like "Rap" and nothing else: You're missing out. I'm a fan of nearly all genres of music and the ability to experience and appreciate it all without any prejudgment getting in the way is something I'm truly grateful for.
And BTW raphael that couldn't be much more wrong about Hip-Hop. BOTH of what you described are Rap. Hip-Hop is absolutely NOT the stuff you hear in the clubs, and it's NOT centered around partying.
Hip-Hop is extremely diverse in style, subject matter and musical composition but the thing that ties it all together is love of creativity and expression, in both music and lyrics. Some of it is the type of subject matter you get in Rap but looked at in it's entirety, because it's derived from spoken word and poetry, it's as diverse in subject matter as the artist wants it to be which makes it even more diverse than a lot of other genres of music. And I should specify that I used the word "artist" because Hip-Hop artists treat it as an art, not just a means of making money or gaining fame.
Hip-Hop recognizes the importance of the music. Producers like the late J Dilla demonstrate that. The things that guy could do with samples were fantastic but he was also fluent in a ton of conventional musical instruments in addition to the turntables and beat-producing equipment. He's every great producer's favorite producer. He had an intense and unwavering love for music, was extremely humble, never putting any kind of sound signature on his work and sometimes not even taking credit for his work. It was only about making great music for him and he didn't even let his poor health keep him from his passion, even performing in a wheelchair on some occasions when he wasn't well enough to walk and stand for long periods of time.
Some other examples of Hip-Hop artists are Murs, The Roots, De La Soul, Dilated Peoples. Much love to Dave Chapelle for all the great Hip-Hop artists (friends of his at that) that he had on his show. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2009 3:45:34 AM | I prefer not to try and distinguish differences between the 2 as genres. I look at them as one in the same.
The type of music started out being referred to as hip hop and they called it rapping because it wasn't singing so they had to come up with a name for that as well. It wasnt till later on, people started referring to the music as rap. Seems like only over the past 5 years or so, you've had people arguing about the difference between the 2.
...and honestly,if you ask MOST artists you consider to be hip hop if they are hip hop or rap, they're not going to deny either one.
You've got gangster rappers like pastor troy,you've got dance hall rappers like mad lion,you've got reggaton rappers like pit bull,you've got pop rappers like kanye and jay z(yeah,that's right jay z is poppy as hell),You've got guys who never really step outside of freestyle rap,and you've got combinations of the different styles in some rare cases... because as we all know, rappers have a tendency to be extremely stereotypical and manufactured so finding someone who is breaking down boundaries are few and far between.
I listen to a very small amount of hip hop/rap thanks to the fact that unoriginality(lyrically and musically) and immorality tend to play a big role in both main stream and underground sides of it.
My personal favorites are Matisyahu and Gnarls Barkley. I listen to them regularly and can not wait to get my hands on the new Matis album that should be coming out soon. | |
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Posted: 8/24/2009 12:56:43 PM | | I thought they were the same thing. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2009 1:49:12 AM | aussie hip hop is the way to go they dont rap about killing them selves and shit aussie actually sings about reall life situations | |
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Posted: 8/25/2009 1:32:03 PM | Some people have already made the correct statement on what hip-hop and rap are.
But since people keep disagreeing, here is a good page on what they are.
http://www.rapnews.net/0-202-259247-00.html
Hip-hop versus rap
Are they terms for the same thing? No, says Davey D, nationally renowned hip-hop historian. He acknowledges that some people think rap is a more frivolous form of hip-hop, but thinks ''that's a false definition. One is part of a whole. Rap is part of a larger entity we call hip-hop, which is a culture.''
Hip-hop n., an American cultural movement composed of four main parts: breakdancing and graffiti art along with two more well-known aspects known as hip-hop music; they are rapping (emceeing) and DJ-ing.
Rap v., the act of saying rhymes to the actual beat of the music.
So there it is, rap is part of hip-hop. I would also inculde beatboxing into the hip-hop genre.
And difining them really has nothing to do with what the subject of the songs are.
Some rappers sing about BS subjects, and some have some really thought provoking lyrics.
You can also look at a song like Slick Rick's "La Di Da Di" which is solely a rapper and the Human Beat Box Dougie Fresh. This song is still considered part of hip-hop.
Or you can look at the Beastie Boy's "Three MCs and One DJ" which has rapping with some very strong turntableism. This too is part of hip-hop.
Or you can look at RUNDMCs "Walk This Way" which is rap mixed with a rock track. At the time it was called rap music, but today we can consider it part of hip-hop.
So again, all rap is part of the hip-hop culture, but not all hip-hop music is part of rap. | |
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