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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/15/2009 9:14:22 PM | | I can't believe Fedor did this to all his fans. What a disgrace and a downright joke. I hope Strikeforce goes bankrupt before their next fightcard. WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Total embarrassment to Fedor. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/16/2009 2:11:57 PM | Strikeforce is becoming a joke, because you can't build an international MMA promotion on the backs of one or two fighters. The collapse of the WFA, BoDog, EliteXC, and Affliction have proven that over and over again. Strikeforce was great as a kickboxing organization, and great as a local MMA show in the San Jose area. They are not cut out to be an international MMA org.
They are trying to keep this thing afloat on the backs of Gina Carano and Fedor. Well, Carano just got decimated by Cyborg, so one-half of the grand plan of Strikefarce just died. They'll still promote Gina; but she lost a lot of credibility last night, along with the fight. Cyborg is not promotable. Once Fedor has a bad fight or performs at less than top expectations, it's all over for Strikefarce. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/17/2009 10:15:15 AM | Strikeforce is becoming a joke, because you can't build an international MMA promotion on the backs of one or two fighters. In addition to Carano and Fedor, they have Ovareem, Mousasi, Babalu, Buentello, Brett Rogers, Robbie Lawler, Scott Smith, Jay Heiron, Cung Le, Ninja Rua, Jake Shields, Joe Riggs, Eddie Alvarez, Josh Thomson, Nick Diaz, and Gilbert Melendez. Their middleweight and lightweight divisions are very strong, and they have a talent exchange agreement with Dream, so you could Aoki, Kawajiri, Cavalcante, and Hansen in the mix, among others.
The collapse of the WFA, BoDog, EliteXC, and Affliction have proven that over and over again. The UFC once collapsed as well. The problem with the other orgs is that they tried to immediately compete with the UFC by spending way too much money. But Scott Coker has been in the business for a long time, even Dana White respected him (before they landed Fedor that is):“This sport needs more guys like Scott Coker,” White said. “He puts on a good show and I think if you talked to his fighters about him, they’d all have good things to say.”
I don't understand why self proclaimed MMA fans would want Strikeforce to fail. To me, the more the better. UFC only puts on about an event per month, and only televise about 5 or 6 bouts when they do. I could use a lot more than that. And it's good for the fighters. If you sign with the UFC, you can only fight for the UFC. Guy like Brock, who fights about twice a year, he's making a comfortable living, but for other guys, who make $4,000 to $10,000 a fight, that's not good. Not just in terms of not being able to live on $25,000 a year, but as a fighter, in order to develop, it's important to fight.
Anyway, I completely disagree with two of the posters on here, I think Strikeforce is very viable, doing it right, and I hope they thrive. I want to see more high quality fights. You don't like their fighters, don't watch. Wait for UFC events. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/17/2009 10:48:36 AM | ^^Don't get your panties in a wad. This is a forum, and people are entitled to opinions which don't line up with yours. Most fans know about all the fighters you mentioned, and many of those fighters fought for the other promotions I listed which have since gone out of business. Rattling off names doesn't change the fact that most of those fighters are not viable headlining a PPV or network card.
No one said anything about hoping that Strikeforce fails. The point is that Strikeforce works best as a local promotion. They can't handle the tab of a high-maintenance fighter like Fedor with the level of revenues they're pulling in. Bodog had a much stronger financial position to work from, and they couldn't do it. Affliction actually put together two decent cards, and still lost money on both cards. This last Strikefarce card was very weak----Jesse Taylor vs. Jay Heiron? Werdum vs. Mike Kyle? That kind of fight card won't raise the revenues required to pay Fedor.
No one is attacking Strikeforce just to attack Strikeforce. The point is that they are employing a business model which has failed for the other promotions using that model. M-1, with Fedor as their ace, flat-out doesn't know how to make money. Even the UFC almost went under when they built their show solely around Tito during 2001 - 2003. It doesn't work. The reality show, like it or not, broadened their base of marketable fighters and they built on it from there.
Strikefarce is headed for failure if they keep doing what they're doing. And yeah, I'll watch an occasional card while I'm saying that! | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/17/2009 12:56:39 PM | | Strikeforce is a bunch of washed out UFC guys who are done. The only fighter they have that are worth watching are Fedor and Mousasi but WHO THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO FIGHT. You're a complete moron to try and pump this league. Did you freaking watch the fightcard the other night??? They had two girls fighting as the main card LOL LOL LOL. And no it's not better having more leagues if one league totally sucks and only has two great fighter with no one for them to fight!!!!! | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/17/2009 7:28:04 PM | Don't get your panties in a wad. This is a forum, and people are entitled to opinions which don't line up with yours. Um. I wasn't upset. This is an internet message board, you can project anything into text. But if for some reason it seemed like I was being too hard on you, that wasn't my intention and I apologize.
No one is attacking Strikeforce just to attack Strikeforce. The point is that they are employing a business model which has failed for the other promotions using that model. They're very different. They're spending money and projecting growth at a sensible, sustainable pace. Also, they're forming great partnerships with Dream and M-1. Another thing they have going for them is that I think fighters realize if they're even going to increase purses, there needs to be competition, and after seeing a few orgs crumble, they will try harder to help Strikeforce succeed. Jay and Fedor both turned down offers from the UFC to fight in Strikeforce. Unless you're a UFC superstar, you're not making a lot of money in UFC, and until there's some competition, that will remain the case.
Yeah, I watched most of their card. Still haven't seen the Heiron fight. I thought the Gina and Cyborg fight was pretty good. Mousasi was super impressive. Some UFC cards suck as well. You never what's going to happen, I don't really judge an organization based on how the night turns out (like I said, some UFC events have left me underwhelmed), I only really care about the matchups they promote. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/17/2009 7:30:01 PM | Chadcuba, you have a very interesting way of expressing yourself.
<div class='quote'>You're a complete moron to try and pump this league.As an MMA fan, I hope they succeed so I can watch more fights. Also, I'm a fan of many of their fighters. Lastly, I thought the Gina and Cyborg fight was exciting. Proved to me that female MMA is viable. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/17/2009 8:48:37 PM |
But if for some reason it seemed like I was being too hard on you, that wasn't my intention and I apologize.
You couldn't bust a grape, as Rampage would say. STFU!  You weren't "hard" on anyone--you were just taking the Strikefarce B.S. line a little too seriously.
Strikefarce doesn't have a new business plan. They have inherited the old plan of building the promotion around two highly-marketed fighters while being over-extended in both numbers of outings and payrolls. They can't afford a million-dollar fighter on their budget. Period.
Does Strikeforce put on some good fights? Of course they do, although this last card was not a strong card. Do they have some quality fighters in their roster? Yes, they do. But, they are a joke right now because a partnership with M-1 and DREAM is not going to get them the viewers they need to balance this bigger budget. They are going to take what has been a long-term, quality, local show and run it right into the ground. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/18/2009 5:48:18 AM | ^ Meh. The apology was to see if you truly misunderstood or are just a spaz. I see you are the latter. No biggie.
Well, the good thing is we don't have to continue discussing this, time will settle this in due time. I predict Strikeforce will stick around a while. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/18/2009 7:00:35 AM |
^ Meh. The apology was to see if you truly misunderstood or are just a spaz. I see you are the latter. No biggie.
Here we go with the childish name-calling. Your argument was weak, so you've resorted to the only thing you have left. Not surprised at all. Strikeforce is becoming a joke, just like your presence on the thread. You want to post like a punk, then you'll be treated like a punk.
Strikefarce will be around for a year or two until they run out of money and credibility. Then, if they're lucky, they will go back to being a small, locally-run show with no major network coverage. Or, they could go completely out of business like other promotions with the same business model have. That's the future for them. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/18/2009 10:04:07 AM | | Ok, so you're telling me you wouldn't like to see mousasi fight in the ufc against rampage, evans, thiago silva, machida, anderson silva, shogun, vitor belfort?? Instead you would rather see him fight um.......... who is there in the strikeforce again??? LOL And if Fedor were in the UFC we'd get to see him fight Brock, Cain, Mir, Kongo, and Carwin!!!!!!! Ya get the point??? | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/18/2009 10:43:09 AM | With regards to Strikeforce as a promotion I get the point and I agree, but I still don't see any of that as Fedor screwing his fans. Screwing the fans would involve Fedor directly telling his fanbase that they can go F themselves or something akin to that in my book and that hasn't happened yet.
For better or for worse this is where Fedor signed because he felt he could benifit the most (unfortunately) for his wallet and in truth he probably will, mainly because he stuck to his guns about M1 which in fairness is his perogative. Wanna call him a sellout for it? Ok, but at the same time there's a part of me saying that I can't blame him and on top of that you'd then have to call out Dana for not allowing what he wanted or trying to find some middleground.
And personally I think the only worthwhile match for Fedor in UFC right now is Brock, everybody else I think he'd just mow over (he'd probably mow Brock over for that matter but people would watch). So like I was saying, if you're a fan of the guy and you want to watch him you're going to, even if said promotion is predominantly crap. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/18/2009 2:20:57 PM | It has been reported that Gegard Mousasi made $2,000 for beating Babalu, while Carano made $125,000 for losing to Cyborg (and would have received a substantial, additional bonus if she had won). Carano also made at least twice as much for that fight as seasoned vets like Gilbert Melendez, Jay Heiron, and Werdum. That is a bad payroll decision. Mousasi could have reportedly made much more money in another promotion (upwards of $80,000 for a win), fighting equal or better talent than Babalu.
Just goes to show where Strikeforce's priorities are----Carano and Fedor. And Carano is damaged goods. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/18/2009 3:24:30 PM | | Donald Trump and Marc Cuban were partial owners/investors in Affliction and you know what those guys are all for. Power. Enough said, STRIKEFORCE IS A DAMN JOKE and for Fedor and Gegard to fight in there then they are both selling themselves and fans short. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/18/2009 3:49:47 PM | Of course, I'd like to see Gegard in UFC. The UFC LHW division is stacked. I've said I want to see Gegard in the UFC about 4 or 5 times now. But I also want to see Strikeforce thrive. I want more MMA events. They have potential. We shall see.
Your argument was weak, so you've resorted to the only thing you have left. You're the STFU, punk, and panties in the wad guy? Dude, you obviously like to flame rather than actually address points, just don't pretend to be an innocent babe in the woods. Be proud of your trollness. And you do come off as a spaz. Just my opinion, and it shouldn't matter what I think about you anyways. I'll just ignore you, how about that?
Scott Coker is very different from the dou che who ran Elite XC, and moving much more meticulously than Afflication. Fighters know and respect him. He's been promoting martial arts for a long time. Again, even Dana respects him. Not that that means a lot. I predict like in tennis, eventually a fighter's union will arise, and I suspect Coker will play a significant role in that.
As for Gegard's salary, M-1 pays him a salary.
Final word, I hope Strikeforce succeeds. Great MMA every weekend? That would be super. There's enough fighters out there to make it happen, just a matter of economic feasibility. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/18/2009 4:18:21 PM |
I'll just ignore you, how about that?
Whatever. I addressed you because of your ignorant contention (in your first post) that "you don't like their fighters, don't watch. Wait for UFC events." That's ignorant, because it presupposes that if a fan thinks Strikeforce has major flaws, then he doesn't like any of their fighters or likes only the UFC. That's not what anyone said at all. It was a dumb statement, and you got called out on it.
Scott Coker is very different from the dou che who ran Elite XC, and moving much more meticulously than Afflication.
No one is talking about Scott Coker as an individual. Tom Atencio is a different person than Gary Shaw as well, and he tried to move meticulously with Affliction. You just don't know what you're talking about. No one said that Coker wasn't a good guy or that he's not diligent. He's making some very bad decisions and has a bad business model right now----that's what everyone is saying. He's meticulously implementing a bad plan.
As for Gegard's salary, M-1 pays him a salary.
One more reason why co-promotion with M-1 is extremely risky. M-1 is only interested in compensating Fedor properly, as far as fighters go. Gotta wonder what the difference in pay will be for this ridiculous grappling exhibition that's coming up. In Finkelchtein's opinion, Fedor is their sole meal-ticket. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/19/2009 12:45:12 PM | You know Chad just to reviw things here I've tended to agree with you more often than not on MMA related subjects (especially when it comes to that punk Floyd Mayweather). Nothing was meant as a put down or a cop-out or anything like that, I just wanted to know by your definition as to how Fedor has screwed his fans and you really haven't given me a legit answer, just your opinion which you're acting like is genuine fact. You want a good definition of an athlete screwing his fans, here's the perfect example - Brett Farve not just in going to Minnesota but for making the completely foolish remark he made, THAT was telling his fanbase to stick it and Fedor has yet to do anything remotely close to that. For better or worse UFC isn't the only MMA promotion in the world today, I even agree that Strikeforce is lousy, but not only is it where Fedor signed but like I said I don't see any true competition for him anywhere as I think he can beat anyone in the heavyweight division right now. Yeah we all wanted to see him and Brock who I think he'd mow over but as of right now it ain't happening, nothing we can do about it.
But if you want to resort to childlike name calling antics and acting like a self rightgeous two year old then by all means go ahead, not only will that really convince me to see things your way (as the sarcasm detector goes wild) but as was noted in that thread I posted it's not advisable if you want to continue posting here. | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/19/2009 2:46:55 PM | | I am just pissed at Fedor and Mousasi because they are selling themselves short and the fans by joining the pathetic strikeforce. Who in the hell is Mousasi going to fight?????????? The best fighters in the world need to fight the best!!!! That's all i'm saying and yes i feel he is screwing fans by not fighting in the UFC when everyone in the world wants to see him fight Brock. How can you dodge that?? He needs to get in now before he's too old!! | |
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| F fedor!!! Strikeforce is the biggest joke on the planet.
Posted: 8/19/2009 5:33:33 PM | Fedor is wasting his time in Strikefarce, and yes, he's depriving the fans of the best fights. There are no good options for Fedor there. Brett Rogers is a virtually unknown journeyman......Overeem is a solid B+ fighter who isn't perceived as a real challenge for Fedor.......Werdum is a less-than-elite caliber submission ace.
If Fedor beats any of those guys, it wouldn't be a significant win. It wouldn't keep Fedor competitive in the P4P rankings. If Fedor gets clipped or subbed by any of those guys, then IT IS ALL OVER for Strikeforce's and M-1's credibility. Fedor would be damaged goods just like Gina is.
People don't normally go to a lesser company for less money doing less important work. Can you imagine a top lawyer practicing law at some slummy two-room firm in the boonies somewhere? Can you imagine a top business executive managing a local 7-Eleven, standing up at the counter at midnight? That would be ridiculous, right? It's just as ridiculous for Fedor (the top MMA heavyweight) to be fighting cans and unknowns in Strikefarce.
Complete waste of time and talent. We've seen this movie before. The movie starts with big, bold promises about world-wide co-promotion and cooperation to bring the best fights.....the movie ends with some promoter standing at the mike, talking about how "we did the best we could". Strikefarce (under this latest "plan") is a re-run of WFA, and BoDog, and EXC, and Affliction. Coker will be at that same mike someday soon, sweating like a stuck pig, talking about how it "was a great experience". | |
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