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 |TheOne|

Joined: 7/19/2009
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Posted: 8/31/2009 4:26:46 PM
http://www.pcw.co.uk/v3/news/2248536/mozilla-finds-fault-firefox

The team behind Mozilla's Firefox browser has been trying to discover why so many users downloaded version 3, but then deleted it and reverted back to version 2.

Ten per cent of Firefox users have stuck to the older version of the software, having tried - and then uninstalled - the upgrade. Mozilla polled the users and received around 5,000 responses.

A key problem was the location bar, which was changed from listing just recent sites to a more 'intelligent' engine which put up a selection based on the user's total viewing history, among other things. This accounted for a quarter of all uninstalls.

"When we expanded the capabilities of the location bar to search against all history and bookmarks in Firefox 3, a lot of people contacted us to say that they had certain bookmarks they didn't really want to have displayed," Firefox principal designer Alex Faaborg wrote in the Mozilla Blog of Metrics.

"In some cases users had intentionally hidden these bookmarks in deep hierarchies of folders, somewhat similar to how one might hide a physical object. Having something from your previous browsing displayed to someone else who is using your computer, or even worse, to a large audience of people as you are giving a presentation, is really one of the most embarrassing things that Firefox can do to you."

Other problems with the upgrade included concerns about speed/memory leakage or incompatible add-ons, cited by 13 per cent of respondents, while four per cent had declined to change what wasn't broken.

The team expressed concern that the problems could have lost them users in the long term, although it noted that only eight per cent of Firefox users are staying with version 2.

"Clearly, many users tried Firefox 3 when it was released, then reverted back to Firefox 2 shortly thereafter, and now they still won't consider upgrading because of their initial experience (even if that initial issue has since been resolved). You never get a second chance to make a first impression," said Faaborg.
 - don

Joined: 4/23/2009
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Posted: 8/31/2009 8:06:57 PM
Mozilla is and has been pretty good at finding quick solutions after finding flaws, I think they'll be fine. Getting MS to admit to flaws on IE is another story, lol...they will pay to hide flaws from the general public before admitting to them and fixing them.

BladeRunner,
I'm curious, what's your preferred browser on BSD?
Mozilla/Gecko based, Dillo and Konqueror, Opera ?
 Alli_oop

Joined: 6/30/2009
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Posted: 8/31/2009 10:13:10 PM
I just finally got firefox to start working again. The last version wouldn't open with my vista. But now it's fine.
 |TheOne|

Joined: 7/19/2009
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Posted: 9/1/2009 4:01:06 AM
I find it interesting that all of these Firefox stories never seem to make it to the "news stand" even though there are almost as many for Firefox as there are for IE, but IE has many many more users.
Firefox users dont seem to accept to faults with Firefox, they simply give lines like you did about firefox yada yada but M$/IE is so much worse...

Firefox has problems that are much bigger than IE has.


I'm curious, what's your preferred browser on BSD?
Mozilla/Gecko based, Dillo and Konqueror, Opera ?


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html

After reading that I went with Opera in the end, it really is a much better browser and it run faster too, even simple tasks such as opening a new tab happen in the blind of an eye with Opera [system speed has nothing to do with it]
 sandgroper999

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Posted: 9/1/2009 4:11:17 AM
Firefox 3.5.2 is better than FF3 and FF2 .

FF3.5 loads web pages faster then FF2 and quite a lot quicker than FF3.

FF3.5.2 also fixes some of the memory leaks that has happened in all versions of FF.

When you download FF 3.5 , it will be build 3.5.1 , once you install it , upgrade immediately to FF 3.5.2 to stop the memory leaks.

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/upgrade.html
 - don

Joined: 4/23/2009
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Posted: 9/1/2009 3:21:16 PM


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html

After reading that I went with Opera in the end, it really is a much better browser and it run faster too, even simple tasks such as opening a new tab happen in the blind of an eye with Opera [system speed has nothing to do with it]

Yeah, Opera is pretty light on resources.



Firefox has problems that are much bigger than IE has.

I pasted a recent article below that I found interesting and here are a couple links that I like to check out for vulnerabilities/advisories:
http://secunia.com/advisories/
http://insecure.org/sploits.html
All browsers are subject to exploitation, I think Opera's advantage is from security through obscurity (proprietary and not a mainstream browser) but both Opera & Firefox appear to be on top of security



http://securitywatch.eweek.com/exploits_and_attacks/attackers_run_opera_firefox_browsers_to_ward_off_each_other.html

Attackers Run Opera, Firefox Browsers to Ward Off Each Other
August 21, 2009 12:05 PM


Cyber-crooks like Firefox and Opera. At least that's the conclusion from new research by Purewire.

According to Paul Royal, principal researcher at Purewire, who recently tracked 15 exploit kit operators from all over the globe, Mozilla Firefox and Opera were the most popular Web browsers used by exploit kit operators. Some 46 percent used either Firefox 3.0 or 3.5. Twenty-six percent used Opera 9.6. Internet Explorer 6.0 is used by 13 percent of the kit operators.

Royal's findings are interesting because as far as overall market share, Internet Explorer remains the leading Web browser. However, it is also the most attacked browser in the bunch, perhaps for that very reason. Royal speculated that attackers are keenly aware of the fact, and are more likely to run Opera or Firefox because they are less likely to be targeted.

Interestingly, the U.S. and Russia are both home to 20 percent of the exploit kit operators. Twenty-six percent of the kits themselves are hosted in the U.S., while the Netherlands, China and Latvia are home to 13 percent apiece.

"Given the associated difficulty with operator identity discovery and prosecution, the high incidence of operators living in the U.S. does not surprise me," Royal said. "What is most interesting is exploit kit operators are careful to keep at least one country's worth of distance between themselves and the exploit kits."

Since the operators often distance themselves from their activities, it cannot be assumed they live in the same country in which their kit is hosted, he added.

"Instead of looking at hosting locations, I'm getting data on exploit kit operators by leveraging vulnerabilities in the kits themselves to get criminals to contact a Web server I control when they access certain parts of a kit's admin control panel; this technique reveals their IP and browser User-Agent."

Royal said he is turning his findings over to law enforcement.

 |TheOne|

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Posted: 9/1/2009 4:27:28 PM
IE is the victim of its of its own success...

If you are the most popular then you will be attacked more, its all along the same lines as ford...

If for arguments sake Ford outnumber any other manufacturer 20 to 1...

Fords will have a higher break down record than any other car, its simple averages...
IE is the same, if the numbers were the other way round, and Firefox was the most popular by 20 to 1 then Firefox would be the most exploited browser...

Firefox and IE both suffer obscure exploitable flaws, but Firefox still has fundimental flaws, such as a memory hole, something it has had from day one, where as IE doesnt suffer this kind of fundemental source code flaw.

I would have to agree with the security through obscurity thought, that does seem to be why it stays off the radar, most people dont even know about it, people suffer IE because its there, and Firefox because thats what they are told to use by the heard of cattle, they find it runs better than IE where their IE installation is having problems [which of course anything would when the compertition is coughting and sputtering from miss-use] people generally dont go looking for a better alternative.

Opera of course has its own set of problems, but the list isnt as long as IE and nowhere near as long as Firefox!
 Vancer

Joined: 10/29/2006
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Posted: 9/1/2009 5:38:18 PM
I kept getting a message to download 3.5.2 popping up in the corner.
I don't know if that is what this is about, but the next week I reverted to my older version.
My smiley add-ons didn't work in the newest version, and it actually seemed to take longer to look up webpages.
 |TheOne|

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Posted: 9/1/2009 5:53:51 PM
That is one of my biggest hates with Firefox, the extentions I had with 2 didnt work with 3...

Rather anoying really as I find Firefox without extentions rather usless
 - don

Joined: 4/23/2009
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Posted: 9/1/2009 7:17:54 PM
I Love Firefox Add-Ons.

yeah, some of the ones I liked in the past don't work w/newer versions but I think the add-ons are one of the most attractive features (for me)

NoScript, DownThemAll, BugMeNot are great and there is a 'User Agent Switcher' that I like a lot.

If it weren't for the add-ons, I think I'd be surfing with Dillo or Opera
(Haven't used opera in a while but I just downloaded it for fedora and I think I'll start using to see if I like it better than FF...I used to use it on Windows but haven't in a while)
 N3T_K1LLA

Joined: 11/20/2007
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Posted: 9/1/2009 8:50:06 PM

I Love Firefox Add-Ons.

yeah, some of the ones I liked in the past don't work w/newer versions but I think the add-ons are one of the most attractive features (for me)

NoScript, DownThemAll, BugMeNot are great and there is a 'User Agent Switcher' that I like a lot.

If it weren't for the add-ons, I think I'd be surfing with Dillo or Opera
(Haven't used opera in a while but I just downloaded it for fedora and I think I'll start using to see if I like it better than FF...I used to use it on Windows but haven't in a while)


Dillo is the ONLY web browser that I have come across that doesn't properly support CSS pages. Therefore it = suxors until fixed.
 sandgroper999

Joined: 5/22/2009
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Posted: 9/1/2009 9:03:01 PM


I kept getting a message to download 3.5.2 popping up in the corner.

That is because you have got the "Automatically Check For Updates" checked in Tools .... Options ... Advanced Tab .... Update Tab.

I can't see how people have problems with FF , it is a very configurable web browser with a lot of settings to play around with.
To see all the settings that you can manually change. just type in the address bar
about:config

.
 steveneddy

Joined: 9/25/2005
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Posted: 9/8/2009 9:01:19 PM
People still use FF v-2?

Use FF 3.5 and get all of the tech goodness and speed you can't live without.
 |TheOne|

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Posted: 9/9/2009 5:47:46 AM
Its horses for courses.
Yes people still use Firefox 2 becaues it has different problems to firefox 3.5.

It all depends on what problems you can live with as to which version you go with
 steveneddy

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Posted: 9/9/2009 10:09:21 AM
As far as that argument goes, let's all use Win98 because it runs games better that I like to play.

FF v-2 is recommended by Mozilla that it be replaced with a newer version.

FF v-3.5 is a better, more secure browser.

I would never recommend anyone use an older version of software when there is a better, more secure version available.

Please upgrade to 3.5. I don't think you can go wrong.

Besides, support for v-2 ends in December anyway.

Get rid of old, clunky software that makes security bad for all of us.
 TheDao

Joined: 8/1/2009
Msg: 16
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Posted: 9/9/2009 1:33:59 PM
Blade I have no problem with ff 3.5.2. Perhaps it's a user problem. Perhaps you have infected with malware and don't know about it. If you don't like it then go and use something else nobody is forcing you. I have to admit ff 3.10 wasn't that great. Firefox 3.6 will work on getting rid of bugs and speeding up the browser.

I use freebsd and I use firefox 3.5.2 on it. I find opera rather annoying sometimes. I say use whatever works for you and quit complaining since you are not paying for the software.
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