| Booze Asbo !!
Posted: 9/1/2009 2:13:11 AM |
From Monday 'booze asbo's" are to be enforced by police and councils .
Basically if you can't behave yourself whilst under the influence and deem you as having anti social behaviour a magistrate can ban you from pubs, off licences and areas for up to 2 yrs and send you to alcohol awareness classes.
Could a stag/hen night where you can barely walk home lead to a ban as its deemed anti social drinking?
Do you think this new law is tackling the true problem here and should these pubs/clubs etc not shoulder part of the blame in 'promotional gimmicks' buy one get one free etc ? (As now recognised and adressed in Scotland). | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 2:21:16 AM | | Does the ban also include supermarkets where you can buy booze mac?If someone gets an asbo for booze,whats to stop their mates buying it?I cant see how it,s going to work. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 2:24:06 AM |
I think it's everywhere . I read an article the other day which talked of tagging too !!
If they have to attend these classes I would have thought an alcohol testing procedure is in place too I.e to test if you have been drinking as they do with rehabs.
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Posted: 9/1/2009 2:36:09 AM | I smell a rat! We have a law that allows people to be fined for being 'Drunk & Disorderly' - has it gone out of fashion?
They will let unqualified little Hitlers that the councils employ to fine people they don't like the look of who have had a pint of lager 50 quid. Same as they do for dropping a fag end in the street, or harass mothers whose toddlers drop a sweet wrapper out of their push chair, chase kids with skateboards and stop people with hoodies entering shopping malls. And of course the bean counters in the town halls will see it as another valid revenue stream and set targets... So some poor sod who has had a few and is walking quietly home will get set upon by some zealot keen to make his target and criminalised; like most things that have come from this Cromwellian government, it's transparent and it sucks. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 2:47:19 AM | They don't apply to Scotland  I don't know if it's the same down south but there are areas up here where you can't drink in the street, it's an on the spot fine and it will go on your record.
We haven't had promotions such as happy hours and buy one get one free in Scotland for a number of years, has it stopped people getting pissed? No, not as long as you can buy booze cheaper than water, not as long as there is Buckfast tonic wine on the go and not as long as there are pub chains that sell alcohol ridiculously cheap. We also don't have 24 hour drinking up here although it doesn't stop some people.
But I suppose we also need to take responsibility for our own drinking. The Govt are obviously caught as the revenue they make from the sales of alcohol is something they rely on, yet there are people who are drinking heavily year on year.
There are pubwatch schemes in place already that can see people banned from all pubs in the area indefinitely if they cause anti social nuisance to any bar staff for example or fight in the pub, however, banning someone from a supermarket? How on earth do you police that?
I think these ASBOs only apply to people causing an anti social nuisance, I don't imagine someone walking home from the pub after a few pints has much to worry about.
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Posted: 9/1/2009 2:51:17 AM | Ridiculous idea
All that needs to be done with drunk and disorderly behaviour is throw offenders in a cell for the night - all in together so avoiding the excuse that there isn't the space - charge them and punish them with fines, community service etc
This is unenforceable and as cornucopia says, will just lead to the wrong people being targetted. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 2:51:45 AM |
They don't apply to Scotland I don't know if it's the same down south but there are areas up here where you can't drink in the street, it's an on the spot fine and it will go on your record.
The article then goes on to say .........
In Scotland, from Tuesday, new restrictions will come into force banning happy hours and two-for-one promotions in pubs and clubs, while supermarkets will only be able to display alcohol in one area.
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=6935&edition=1&ttl=20090901110813 | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 2:55:55 AM | The article I read about ASBOs said this
New powers to impose Drinking Banning Orders - dubbed "booze Asbos" - on people who behave anti-socially while drunk have come under fire.
From Monday, police and councils in England and Wales can seek such an order on anyone aged 16 and over.
No mention of Scotland, that's why I posted what I did. As for 2 for 1's and happy hours, they have been banned in Glasgow and the surrounding areas for at least five years now anyway. I'm not sure about other areas as that's the one local to me but the article below suggests it's been since 2005 and covers all of Scotland. But yes, I'm aware that there is going to be a change about where you can display alcohol in a supermarket.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/08/31/wales-urged-to-follow-scotland-s-lead-and-ban-happy-hour-drinking-91466-24568691/
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Posted: 9/1/2009 3:09:04 AM | Yet another feck up by stalin labour lol
how much is it gonna cost the tax payer to set up and run?
is every checkout girl gonna get photos of everyone banned? Lmao
we have pub watch around here and its a joke, all those banned still get served! I laugh when i say to the landlords how many have been in the pub whose on it. The staff used to behave like hitlers saying we will get you banned from every pub, till i pointed out what was going on lol
edit easy, more coppers instead of the plastic ones. Night in the cells, followed by a 500 quid fine or community service mopping up sick for starters.
edit2 you forgot the laundry basket at the biddies home a_corn pmpl | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 3:19:47 AM | | You can't deny that there's a problem in our towns and cities though, especially with young people. A lot of places are like war zones on Friday and Saturday nights. I don't see this when I got abroad to places like Spain or Eastern Europe, unless of course there are lots of young English people in town. So, other than asbo's, how would you sort it out? | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 3:27:04 AM |
So, other than asbo's, how would you sort it out?
Change the attitude to alcohol within our society. At the moment young people are told don't drink until you are 18, does it stop them, no, it just makes them want to go out and fling as much down their neck as they possibly can (I'm obviously generalising here).
Stop selling cheap and nasty muck masquerading as cider eg your frosty jacks, white lightening. Also your fruit based drinks, many of which are targeted specifically at young people eg MD 20/20. How can anyone drink a bottle of that responsibly?
It's powerful, it's not meant for someone to have a sip of now and then, it's obviously promoted with the intent of selling it to younger drinkers.
Message is, drink this, get bladdered. Yet the Govt wonder why the age at which young people are presenting to hospital with alcohol related illnesses or accidents is getting younger and younger.
It's the drink and get smashed attitude that is wrong. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 3:29:58 AM |
It's the drink and get smashed attitude that is wrong.
Is there another way to get into a girl's knickers then??? | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 3:30:19 AM | MSG:10
Apply the existing Drunk and Disorderly laws? You don't see many people arrested for it in the local press these days. Its that simple - and Magistrates have the power to up the fines for second and third offences. ASBOs haven't exactly been a huge success - and the only reason they are going down that route is to employ cheap labour and let Council zealots cream off some more money - it sucks and won't sort the problem!
Is there another way to get into a girl's knickers then???
You could always go to M&S and buy yourself a pair. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 3:37:16 AM |
Is there another way to get into a girl's knickers then???
Personality?
So what will sort out the problem then because ASBO's only deal with behaviour after there has been an issue. Surely there need to be some intervention techniques and a shift in attitudes towards the Booze Britain culture. Otherwise you can ASBO people up to the eyeballs, they will simply move out of the geographical area they have been banned from and drink elsewhere. There are people around here who sell drink to underage kids and certain taxi drivers deliver it door to door. I know shops who have opened at 6am in the morning to sell booze to people with serious alcohol issues, because they know they will get the trade. How often do you see for example shopkeepers being prosecuted for selling booze to underage kids? The enforcing of it is going to be an administrative nightmare.
Plus, is putting someone through the criminal justice system a good idea unless the offence has involved violence? Criminalising someone for having an alcohol issue.
It's also easy to get someone else to go to Aldi/Lidl/Tesco/local off licence if you have been banned yourself. It's ridiculous.
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Posted: 9/1/2009 7:27:06 AM |
Could a stag/hen night where you can barely walk home lead to a ban as its deemed anti social drinking?
I would hope so.
Just because someone is getting married shouldn't mean that they should have
the right to cause anti social behavior and ruin other people's nights out on the town.
It disgusts me how people behave in towns and cities up and down our country
after a night out binge drinking and quite frankly makes me ashamed to be British.
So I'm all in favour of these booze Asbo's if it will help and on the spot fines for disorderly conduct.
Its about time our government got tough on this instead of picking on smokers all the time. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 7:46:19 AM | I actually disagree totally. How long have people indulged in so called anti social behaviour related to drinking? Why has this taken so long to implement? Who is going to benefit from the fines, where is this money going to go?
To programmes to help people who are suffering from alcohol dependency or to swell the Governments coffers. I'm sorry but as I said earlier, it is cheaper to buy some alcohol from the supermarket than it is to buy a bottle of water. I'd have more respect for the Govt if along with these ASBOs that they actually did something about the amount of cheap alcohol that's floating about and as I said earlier, some of it directed at the teenage market.
Not fining someone for being pissed. Do you think that that is going to stop people drinking? Who measures the level of pissed-ness? It's all subjective, I might think someone is steaming drunk, the next person might not.
Unless someone is causing an anti social scene that should lead to them being lifted by the police anyway, why hit them with an ASBO. Is there no one on here that has ever gone out for a night out and ended up much drunker than they thought they could be at the beginning of the night? No one ever got drunk at a POF meet and said some things they shouldn't? Going home from a hen night drunk doesn't necessarily involve anti social behaviour and why should people be criminalised for this?
How many times can something treat an end result without doing anything about the issues leading up to the end result. As for picking on smokers, I don't see the relevance at all.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/aug/31/alcohol-asbos-drunken-behaviour | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 9:12:31 AM | Have to agree with Pauline, shouldn't be for being drunk, just for being anti social when drunk.
Is there no one on here that has ever gone out for a night out and ended up much drunker than they thought they could be at the beginning of the night?
Many many times
Think the statement might hold a clue though to a subtle change in attitude these days.
When I was in my teens, twenties, used to go out for a night out, quite often end up having too much, but didn't usually go out with the intention of getting drunk.
Now many young people I know go out with the intention of getting drunk and often very little else. That's become the aim of the night out for many. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 9:27:40 AM |
No mention of Scotland, that's why I posted what I did. As for 2 for 1's and happy hours, they have been banned in Glasgow and the surrounding areas for at least five years now anyway. I'm not sure about other areas as that's the one local to me but the article below suggests it's been since 2005 and covers all of Scotland. But yes, I'm aware that there is going to be a change about where you can display alcohol in a supermarket.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/08/31/wales-urged-to-follow-scotland-s-lead-and-ban-happy-hour-drinking-91466-24568691
Pauline, your article is dated today and the mention of 2005 is the Licensing Act 2005 and not the year the ban was enforced.
The article reads...............
The biggest shake-up of the licensing system for more than 30 years will be take effect in Scotland tomorrow when the Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005 comes fully into force.
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Posted: 9/1/2009 9:34:07 AM | | These drinking ban orders are a complete waste of time - they'll be inefficient and impossible to police. If the councils were truly concerned about town drunks, they'd kerb the number of offies, clubs and bars allowed to trade within defined areas. Instead, they manufacture yet more legislation that essentially offloads responsibility on to retailers whose livelihoods depend on these alcohol sales. It's ludicrous to ask them to be public nannies. What next - forcing the kebab shops to limit chips sales because their customers are obese? The vast majority of us are perfectly capable of monitoring our alcohol intake, thank you very much, and those who don't should simply be charged under the existing "drunk and disorderly" law, which should carry harsher penalties. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 9:38:07 AM | They've been doing this in Luton for about the last 5 years, the Luton safe scheme has been really successful in keeping trouble makers out of pubs and clubs.
I reckon booze asbo's are a good move to keep those who can't handle their drink, out of town!
I haven't read the article but in Luton if you get kicked out for violence your details are added onto a database which is distributed to all pubs and clubs in the area. I know people on the ban and they have tried to evade it without success, once you're banned you have to do your time.
As far as I'm aware a stag or hen party walking home drunk and singing isn't breaking the law unless you are casing distress or alarm to another person. For example, if you walk home and start abusing people then you can be done for section 5. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 9:40:22 AM | As I said earlier, the article I read online earlier was talking about ASBOs being applied in England and Wales, that is why I said earlier that it didn't apply in Scotland.
As for the issue about happy hours up here, they have been banned certainly in Glasgow for a number of years now. You haven't been able to get happy hours, drinks promotions such as buy a glass of wine and get the rest of the bottle free for some time now.
It may not have been the year it began Scotland wide but certainly there have been no happy hour promotions in Glasgow for some years and the reason I am commenting on Glasgow is because I live relatively near there.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-14309450.html
From the Evening Times March 2005
A LEISURE complex has become the first venue to face having its licence taken away after being accused of breaching Glasgow's happy hours ban.
Bosses of Hotshots in Springfield Quay, which bills itself as a "family entertainment centre" and runs children's karaoke sessions, will have to explain themselves to city licensing chiefs at a special hearing next week.
The venue could find itself having to close early if the board imposes the sanctions available to it.
The hearing follows a visit to the bar, diner and bowling alley by licensing enforcement officials.
During the visit it is believed Hotshots management was found to be breaching the policy by offering cheap drinks outside the limits ... | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 9:47:38 AM |
Who is going to benefit from the fines, where is this money going to go?
To programmes to help people who are suffering from alcohol dependency or to swell the Governments coffers. I'm sorry but as I said earlier, it is cheaper to buy some alcohol from the supermarket than it is to buy a bottle of water.
That is so far off the mark it's not true. The people who are running amok aren't exactly tramps and winos and people who are sitting at home feeding their alcohol dependencies - they are generally young, out for a good time and binge drinking in pubs and clubs where they can charge a fiver for a pint (after they've taned up in the cheapie pub 1st).
No one intervenes when they get out of hand afterwards and they go back to work Monday morning - chucking money into alcohol dependency projects will have a nada effect on that. Chucking a big fine their way maybe will. Have enough people locked up for drunk & disorderly and a court that dishes out heavy fines and - the word will get round and the behaviour change. We already have a means to do that - we aren't using it. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 9:51:47 AM |
As I said earlier, the article I read online earlier was talking about ASBOs being applied in England and Wales, that is why I said earlier that it didn't apply in Scotland.
No one is implying otherwise are they?
The OP reads ........
Do you think this new law is tackling the true problem here and should these pubs/clubs etc not shoulder part of the blame in 'promotional gimmicks' buy one get one free etc ? (As now recognised and adressed in Scotland).
There is no mention of Scotland in connection with an ASBO in the OP but 'promotional gimmicks' as you have confirmed ?
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Posted: 9/1/2009 10:04:19 AM | Booze Asbo's will be available at ASDA's next to the 15p tinnies of lager and the litre bottles of Lambrini.
Personally I think they should re-train traffic wardens as drunk wardens, an illegally parked car usually causes me less concern than an illegally parked drunk (mainly because the car won't vomit on my shoes when I walk past).
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Posted: 9/1/2009 10:10:01 AM | Forget fines, unless they go towards the A&E units where so many of the worst results of drink end up.
Corral them till it's light, then give them rubber gloves and buckets to clean up the vomit on the streets. | |
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