| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/2/2009 4:41:04 PM | i saw this on the news the other week and i thought it was stupid.
basically OHIP is willing to pay for upto 3 IVF treatments at a cost of $10,000 per treatment to infertile people.
it hasn't been passed yet but it looks like it will be a sure thing.
i don't see why the government should be paying for this. There are other options open to infertile couples (adoption, surrogacy). They are also saying it will be for anyone single, married, homosexual.
Don't you think that, at the very least, the people who choose to undergo the procedure should foot some of the bill (if not all of it). Having children is a choice NOT a necessity. | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/2/2009 5:11:16 PM | I feel it is a gray area. If a couple is unable to concieve naturally and they are not able to pay for treatments, I could see this as a good thing. But, if the person is known to be a welfare recipient who wants children just so they don't have to work, and collect more welfare support, I think that is slitting the throat of tax payers.
Realistically, I am so upset with the Liberals with the way they incorporated a health tax and cut other important services. It irks me that those new tax dollars are going to this NEW program..... I thought our health system was lean and broke?
What hypocrates!! | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/2/2009 5:49:57 PM | Sounds like the OP has never been in the unfortunate situation of desperately wanting a child and not being able to afford the help that is out there to attain! It's a very heartbreaking and deparately sad situation to be in - especially since the couples who go this route have probalby suffered through miscarriages and the empty horrible feeling of not being able to have a child with the person you deeply love and desire!
I am sure there will be stipulations and personal humility to go through before you can actually get this new assistance - that is a God send for many want to be families!
I thank God that I live in Ontario and have the gifts that our health care system has to offer!
We should all be greatful - because this same system may have something to offer you in your personal life - that you deem acceptable to spend your tax dollars on - perhaps something that may save your life!
This just shows me that we still have compassion somewhere in the Ontario government and that they understand the plight of the people involved! | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/2/2009 5:59:51 PM | I don't see any benefit to taxpayers.
Paying for this kind of thing to me seems a disturbing misuse of tax dollars. Think about how many (already living) people one $10,000 treatment could help. Homeless, mental health patients, kids with various diseases. There are literally thousands of things that should be funded before this.
Funding this is not healthcare. It's welfare for want to be parents. If a child means that much to you, there are means to raise money. A handout from taxpayers shouldn't be an option.
We should not be funding the creation of human life. It takes care of itself. | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/2/2009 6:04:54 PM | | Well if OHIP pays for IVF they should also pay for some drugs that cancer patient needs and also dentist, and getting your eye check. The only way that Ohip pays for the eye test if you have a letter from your Family Dr. | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/2/2009 6:24:48 PM |
Sounds like the OP has never been in the unfortunate situation of desperately wanting a child and not being able to afford the help that is out there to attain!
well i have... and i DO NOT agree with this!
having a child isn't a right that should be guaranteed you by the gov't. after all, if they're going to pay the $$$ for people to have a biological child, why not pay for others to adopt? | |
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Posted: 9/2/2009 7:39:55 PM | | Compassion people - compassion!! I see the points others are making - but I simply see this as opening the door for the things you do want. We are so blessed in this country to have the opportunities bestowed on us. Let's just be thankful when good things do happen and pray that our good karma and compassion comes back at us two fold! | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/2/2009 8:47:55 PM |
OHIP is willing to pay for upto 3 IVF treatments at a cost of $10,000 per treatment
Speaking from experience, I think it is a worthy expenditure.
When I was married and we wanted children, my wife could not get pregnant. She went for many, many tests. I went for several tests. She had surgery and was covered by OHIP for other expenses related to this situation. I'm not certain of the costs but, I'm certain it easily added up to several thousands dollars plus the cost of the surgery. This was done with the intent of getting pregnant.
All of this was done because we could not afford the IVF. Had the IVF option been available to us through OHIP, I'm certain the costs paid for all of those other tests, surgeries and lab work (on me and her) would have cost close to the same if not more.
The ethical questions concerning who gets the treatment is more of a concern to me. Is there an age restriction?
Marital status?
What if they already have children?
What if they are a blended family - shuld they be compensated to have more kids?
What if a guy has a vasectomy, and they (as a couple) decide later they would want more kids - should they qualify?
In my opinion, having up to three attempts is fair. But, I think it should be restricted to first time parents. | |
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Posted: 9/2/2009 10:02:23 PM | Compasion ! What the hell no way no compasion for this 3 attempts of ivf at $10 grand a pop !
I do not agree that anyone should be allowed 3 atempts to get preggy and we the tax payers foot the bill at $10 grand per shot!
There should only be a one time atempt allowed per couple that ohip pays for and any more would be at the expence of the couple and not goverment funded.
I do agree though it should be only for first time want to be parents and only married couples ! Not for those just living together!
Theres many other ways that are either free or a lot less expensive then IVF's!
Sperm banks/etc.
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Posted: 9/3/2009 3:13:01 AM |
There should only be a one time atempt allowed per couple that ohip pays for and any more would be at the expence of the couple and not goverment funded. Then you are just throwing that money out... it is very rare for a woman that requires in vitro to become pregnant on the first try. The stress and anxiety often cause this to fail as the process is quite intense...
The second and third attempts have much better results as the woman is more relaxed, more aware of the procedure.
I know of four women that are unable to get pregnant naturally, I would NOT wish to be the person that denies them the right to have a child as each of them would make wonderful mothers... they're kind, gentle and nurturing with a huge abundance of love to share.
I personally would rather see them be able to use their money to raise the child rather than pay for getting pregnant... | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/3/2009 5:21:14 AM | i think the age limit was in the early 40's (i want to say 43).
i also question this procedure because of the risk of twins, triplets, quads ....
Matt Hays (CH news) was saying the risk of multiple births with IVF treatment is around 25% with the lowest clinical average being around 10%
think about the costs involved with premature babies. long term and immediate it will be high and it's us the tax payers that pays for that too.
I have no compassion for people who go to extreme measures to have their own natural children. there are other options and besides having children is a choice not a right ... you will NOT die if you don't have children but you will die if you can't afford cancer drugs. | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/3/2009 7:55:15 AM | I personally think it would make more sense for the government to give low interest loans, instead of just giving people the money. I just cant see how they justify this new program when they just took away our eye exams not long ago, and they cost less then 100 dollars per person every couple of years. Plus there is a ton of people out there that cant afford basic dental care.
I just hope there are very strict rules and guidelines when people apply for this money. How many Octo-Moms do we really need? | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/3/2009 6:44:35 PM | I was so thrilled when I heard on the news that IVF might be covered by OHIP. It's a vital medical service that should have been covered a long time ago. Infertility is a serious medical issue and not the infertile couple's fault. The news gives hope to couples trying to have children.
Having children is a choice and why should infertile couples not have that choice available to them? They definitely should! So far that choice has been denied to such couples. | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/3/2009 7:52:16 PM |
It's a vital medical service that should have been covered a long time ago.
it's NOT "vital" - which literally means necessary to life.
procreation is NOT a necessity.
Having children is a choice
EXACTLY! it's a choice, NOT a right.
why should infertile couples not have that choice available to them?
then why not pay for adoptions?
just because medical technology exists to do something doesn't mean the public health care system should pay for it - there are far more important things the money could be spent on. | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/3/2009 8:16:58 PM | Divine. IVF is vital. It's caused by infertility, which is a serious medical condition and not the fault of the person suffering with it. Someone saying it's not vital is like someone saying chemotherapy and radiation for cancer is not vital.
Yes having children is a choice and infertile couples have the choice and right to have their own children if they wish. Why should they be discimminated against and singled out due to infertility? That's prejudice in itself.
Adoption? Maybe some infertile couples don't want to adopt. They have every right to make their own choices and should not have those choices made for them.
More important things the money could be spent on? Like same sex operations, which is NOT necessary? That's what the Government deems acceptable, which is pathetic, but what is covered. Spending the money hoping to get the 2015 Olympics? Pathetic as well.
Obviously you don't know anyone who suffers from infertility. If you did you would not be so insensitive. | |
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Posted: 9/3/2009 8:33:13 PM | Honeyangel1985, I think you might be missing the meaning of vital.
An infertile woman will not die of infertility.
A cancer patient WILL die without chemo/radiation/etc...
Cancer services are VITAL in saving lives
IVF services are not
Granted some infertile couples are really destroyed by their infertility issues, but there are other options. All the power to them if they want to have their own biological children, but it is not vital to do so. | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/3/2009 8:39:19 PM | Some women do die from infertility if their cases are severe enough even after they've been treated for it (PCOS, endo for example). I'm not missing the meaning of vital at all.
If infertile couples want to have their own children why should they not be allowed to do so? Why should they be told they have to adopt? Perhaps they don't want to adopt.
So your saying that it is vital for fertile couples to have their own biological children but it's not vital for infertile couples to do so. How prejudice! 
How insensitive of you. | |
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Posted: 9/4/2009 4:36:20 AM | Obviously you don't know anyone who suffers from infertility. If you did you would not be so insensitive.
obviously you haven't been reading the thread very carefully -
*I* am infertile.
and the gov't did NOT owe me a child!
you mentioned PCOS - i have such a bad case of it that my ovaries have been sectioned 3 times and they still produce cysts - sometimes large ones. in fact, 2 days after xmas 2007, i ruptured one that the doctors estimated was the size of a large orange based solely on the mass of fluid they found.
yes, i could've died from it, but that still doesn't mean that society should have paid for me to have a baby.
until technology came along to start interfering in life processes, infertile couples adopted or did without children - there was no notion of this being "owed" a biological child.
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Posted: 9/4/2009 5:01:28 AM |
just because medical technology exists to do something doesn't mean the public health care system should pay for it - there are far more important things the money could be spent on. This is correct... and if given the choice of a PET scanner at our cancer center and IVF - my vote would unequivocally go with the PET. | |
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Posted: 9/4/2009 5:15:08 AM | Divine, I have been reading the threat carefully and I'm VERY aware of PCOS, which is hereditary and caused by insulin resistance.
Cysts are always present on the ovaries of someone with PCOS/IR and ovarian cyst ruptes are normal. The fluid in the cysts contains testosterone, which fills the pelvic cavity. The only treatment for cyst ruptures is time. I don't know anyone who has had the section done as it's a very old form of treatment and not used anymore. More common treatments for it are the shot, the pill, and Mirena (I have Mirena). Metform is also prescribed to women with PCOS and IR as it controls IR thus regulating PCOS. PCOS and IR can be controlled and it all starts with a patient exercising regularly and following either a diabetic diet or the GI diet to regulate their insulin, which in turn controls PCOS. PCOS/IR patients should be under the regular care of an endocrinologist and a gyne. Family doctors are not qualified to treat either.
Yep hurray for OHIP covering IVF! | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/4/2009 12:42:40 PM | Some women do die from infertility if their cases are severe enough even after they've been treated for it (PCOS, endo for example). I'm not missing the meaning of vital at all.
If infertile couples want to have their own children why should they not be allowed to do so? Why should they be told they have to adopt? Perhaps they don't want to adopt.
So your saying that it is vital for fertile couples to have their own biological children but it's not vital for infertile couples to do so. How prejudice!
How insensitive of you.
Wow... that wasnt what I said at all. You are obviously going to read whatever you want into what I say however...
Infertility is not a disease, it is a symptom of a disease. There is always an underlying cause for infertility whether its found or not. People dont just get infertility like they get cancer or ms. Again it is a SYMPTOM not a disease.
I am not insensitive to those who can not have children due to infertility issues. My best friend growing up has PCOS and up to now hasnt been able to have children, however my ex-sister in law has PCOS and has 2 wonderful little ones. There are also many different treatment options based on your situation and physicians.
Also it is not vital for fertile couples to have children as I know many couples who have no intentions on ever having children. | |
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Posted: 9/4/2009 3:53:45 PM |
Divine, I have been reading the threat carefully and I'm VERY aware of PCOS
then you would've seen where i said earlier that i'm infertile.
I don't know anyone who has had the section done as it's a very old form of treatment and not used anymore.
i'm more than twice your age - guess how long i've been dealing with this? as for being an "old" form of treatment and not used anymore, guess again - my last sectioning was June 1, 2007.
PCOS and IR can be controlled and it all starts with a patient exercising regularly and following either a diabetic diet or the GI diet to regulate their insulin, which in turn controls PCOS.
no??? really???
i've been dealing with this since before you were born!
and if it's REALLY bad, steroids and high-dose estrogen are the recommended treatment. but i'm sure you knew *that* too!
PCOS/IR patients should be under the regular care of an endocrinologist
no kidding? i've had three of the best when i lived in Toronto and Ottawa and now living here in London. specialists in reproductive endocrinology the lot of them.
and it STILL doesn't mean that anyone with my condition is OWED a child by the government. | |
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Posted: 9/4/2009 4:24:41 PM | wow they can put out that kinda money and yet i am sitting here a yr later with ptsd and no ones done anything but hand me fist fulls of antidepressant wow this one makes scene......
why can they choose to have kids but i cant choose to get better so i can take care of my own child whos 5 cuz clearly after they pay 10g on these ppl to get preg and then say another 100 - 1500000 for me to sit on disability the whole country will be happy :) | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/4/2009 6:37:22 PM | just to clarify ...
people will NOT die because they can't have children
they can die from what y'all are talking about but they will not die if they don't have children.
I am sterile by choice (tubes tied at 21 and on depo since i was 18) ... i have plenty of friends who don't have children and they're still alive and kicking. I also have friends with children and to be honest they can't afford the ones they have yet they want more (see: welfare breeder)
why is the government willing to pay for IVF but they won't pay for me to get glasses. glasses = necessary to function in society.
to the person who commented on gender surgery ... that is a mental illness. you can't cure that with a pill. it's like homosexuality ... it's not a choice it's a real condition (pardon the lack of political correctness).
Like many other people out there i can think of a whole lot of better ways for the government to spend 30K (per person) | |
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| OHIP paying for IVF
Posted: 9/4/2009 11:16:58 PM | Funny how when it affects YOU..its something OHIP must cover!
Funny how when it affects someone ELSE, OHIP should deny them service.
OP, listen to yourself. | |
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