| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/9/2009 2:00:48 PM | I for one hope the obama plan fails ...now before everyone on the left goes apeshit..let me explain. I KNOW the health care system needs to be revamped. I know it will not be easy, but to send us as a nation trillions more in debt, we need to SLOW down and concentrate on fixing it, not just throwing more money at it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090909/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_ap_poll_health_care
WASHINGTON – Public disapproval of President Barack Obama's handling of health care has jumped to 52 percent, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll released hours before he makes his case for overhaul in a prime-time address to Congress.
With his health revamp moving slowly and unemployment edging ever higher, Obama's overall approval rating has also suffered a blow. The survey showed that 49 percent now disapprove of how he is handling his job as president, up from 42 percent who disapproved in July.
The grade people give Obama on health care also has worsened since July, when just 43 percent disapproved of his work on the issue.
The poll underscores how the president has struggled to win public support to reshape the nation's $2.5 trillion health care system and to put the brakes on a deep recession.
Forty-nine percent say they oppose the health overhaul plans being considered by Congress, compared to just 34 percent who favor them.
People are about evenly split over what lawmakers should do now on health care: About four in 10 say they should keep trying to pass a bill this year while about the same number say they should start over again.
Significantly, though, only about two in 10 say the health care system should be left as is.
There is a clear public desire for a bipartisan approach on the issue. Eight in 10 say it's important that any plan that passes Congress should have the support of both parties, while two-thirds want Obama and Democrats to try winning support from Republicans, who with few exceptions have opposed the Democratic drive.
Obama's marks are also poor on the economy, with 52 percent saying they disapprove of how he's handled that issue.
A similar number disapprove of his handling of taxes, some of which may rise to help finance his health overhaul. And 56 percent dislike his handling of the budget deficit, which has skyrocketed under the costs of the financial bailouts and a recession that has caused sinking federal revenues.
The survey of 1,001 adults with cell and landline telephones was conducted from Sept. 3-8. It had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/9/2009 9:27:35 PM | I know it will not be easy, but to send us as a nation trillions more in debt, we need to SLOW down and concentrate on fixing it
Funny how conservatives are worried now about debt... where was that worry when Bush cut taxes during his warmongering?
I believe health care is a right and all Americans should be covered by health care. The only way that will happen is if there is a government option. Private companies are there for profit and I have nothing against that, but it also means that these companies won't cover everyone.
Tomorrow, we will get census numbers on how many Americans are uninsured. I wonder how big the number of uninsured will be... | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/9/2009 10:27:05 PM | "I believe health care is a right and all Americans should be covered by health care. "
It's not a right if I have to pay for you having it. That's called an entitlement. And you don't mean health care. Everyone in this country has access to "health care." What you mean is health insurance. And you have a "right" to all the insurance you can afford.
As for the number of uninsured, I'm willing to bet it's less than the 46 million number so often thrown around. That is, if you talking about "Americans" and not including non-citizens. And the number will be even smaller, if you take out Americans who make above 75K/year and choose NOT to purchase insurance. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/9/2009 11:20:22 PM | I have a hard time understanding how people (usually the ones who have health insurance, and by the way, I do have health ins.) can't understand the plight of those who don't have health ins.
I'd like the people who say everyone in this country has access to health care please explain how people with no health insurance or the means to pay for health care have access to the health care they need. You may get emergency care, care to stablize you, but that's it. You don't get the preventive care, the follow up care that people with health insurance and a family Dr. do, and what about prescription drugs..........without health ins. that covers at least part of prescription drug coverage most drugs are out of reach for many people. Generics aren't suitable for all drug needs.
There are some programs for the very low income who don't have health ins. but the income guidelines are unbelievably low.
I don't believe it's only a small number of people in the USA who don't have health ins. I think that's hype by those opposed to a national health care plan. But let's say that it's true , only a small per centage of people don't have health ins. One person without health insurance is one to many.
I don't see why anyone would be against The Presidents health care plan, he isn't mandating that everyone be under a national health care plan he is simply offering a national health care plan as an option for those who have no health ins.
Most people have their health care through their employers......if you lose your job you lose your health care. Health care shouldn't be tied up with employment. If your health ins. is through your job ask yourself what would I do for health ins. if I became unemployed ?
Maybe those of us with health insurance should look beyond ourselves and try to relate to those who have no health ins, becasuse many of us are just a paycheck away from being without health care. JMHO | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/10/2009 6:54:48 AM |
Most people have their health care through their employers......if you lose your job you lose your health care. Health care shouldn't be tied up with employment. If your health ins. is through your job ask yourself what would I do for health ins. if I became unemployed ?
....well said!.........there are many pple who have either lost their jobs (or have jobs without coverage) who cannot get insured at reasonable prices because they may have had a pre-existing problem............i heard of a case where this woman lost her job and at the same time she was seeing an ear doctor for treatment of a serious eye condition.....she lost her job, went on Cobra but was faced with an enormous premium.......she tried getting into other plans but they wouldn't even touch her!
We need to break the choke hold that these profiteering insurance plans have over us!
Maybe those of us with health insurance should look beyond ourselves and try to relate to those who have no health ins, becasuse many of us are just a paycheck away from being without health care. JMHO
Unfortunately too many Americans have a "let them eat cake" attitude................until of course, such a person ends up on the 'short-end'.......and then they all of a sudden start to realize how vulnerable they are!.....................Until we realize that our real adversary is the (health) insurance for-profit conglomerates who have been lobbying at the tune of 1.4 mil/day......to buy off the republicans, to disseminate missinformation, and ultimately to try to defeat anything that would be a threat to their monopoly! | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/10/2009 7:45:52 AM |
It's not a right if I have to pay for you having it.
If it is not a right...Why are hospitals not allowed to refuse treatment?
We should end that practice.... No Insurance NO TREATMENT....
Or is E/R treatment a right?
if you take out Americans who make above 75K/year and choose NOT to purchase insurance.
How do you know they have a Choice?
Insurance companies REFUSE me......... Is that my choice?
IT IS NOT BASED ON MY INCOME.......... | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/10/2009 10:18:51 AM |
Funny how conservatives are worried now about debt... where was that worry when Bush cut taxes during his warmongering?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms
The figures clearly show that 3/4 of the national debt was accumulated under three presidents; Reagan, GHWB, and bush.
And I'm sure the OP will delighted to hear that Obama single-handedly increased support for his health care reform by double digits
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/09/10/obamas_speech_moved_swing_voters.html#disqus_thread
"Support for Obama's plan jumped 20 points, from 46% before the speech to 66% after. Importantly, Obama also achieved one of his principal goals of boosting the intensity of support. Prior to the speech, just 2% of these swing voters supported the plan strongly while 26% opposed it strongly; by the end of the evening those numbers were virtually reversed, with 28% supporting the plan strongly against just 8% strongly opposed."
I think it's hilarious the way the republicans are wrong about everything. No wonder they're throwing temper tantrums instead of sitting still!! | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/10/2009 11:22:20 AM |
The figures clearly show that 3/4 of the national debt was accumulated under three presidents; Reagan, GHWB, and bush.And I'm sure the OP will delighted to hear that Obama single-handedly increased support for his health care reform by double digits http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/09/10/obamas_speech_moved_swing_voters.html#disqus_thread
Interesting statement from CQ Politics. At this time data behind Democracy Corps;'s poll does not seem to be available. Democracy Corps;'s site has not been responding for the last about 30 mins.
There is also a similar article on CQ that references a CNN poll which used 427 people(45% Dems, 18% Reps & 37% indep.) which indicates an overwhelming support for the speech.
Strange that other polls and sources say differently and seem to indicate about the same percentages of people do not approve the bill. Even the AOL poll shows that of 78,000 pollsters 59% do still oppose Obama's Health Care Reform.http://news.aol.com/article/obama-health-care-speech/660327
The Real Public Option: Start Over ..And the American public isn’t buying it. A poll released today shows that 49 percent of Americans oppose “the health care reform plans being discussed in Congress,” while only 34 percent approve; 36 percent “strongly” oppose the plans while only 16 percent “strongly” support them. Furthermore, when asked what the president and Congress should now do about health care, 42 percent choose “scrap the current negotiations and start over from scratch” and 18 percent say leave our current health care alone -- with only 39 percent saying they should keep working to pass something “by the end of the year.” So 60 percent prefer starting over or doing nothing to an Obama-style plan.http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/09/the_real_public_option_start_o.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Maybe we need to give some of the pollster groups that usually handle polls time to gather their information.
Who knows why the discrepancies in the scant amount of polls out so soon after the speech. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/11/2009 9:04:50 AM |
I think it's hilarious the way the republicans are wrong about everything. Strange that other polls and sources say differently and seem to indicate about the same percentages of people do not approve the bill. Even the AOL poll shows that of 78,000 pollsters 59% do still oppose Obama's Health Care Reform.http://news.aol.com/article/obama-health-care-speech/660327
I repeat, I think it's hilarious the way the republicans are wrong about everything!!
Your poll is from BEFORE the President's speech. Here are #'s from AFTER the speech.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/11/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5302288.shtml?tag=cbsnewsLeadStoriesAreaMain
Poll: Obama's Speech Buoyed Public Support
Last week, just 40 percent of these adults approved of how the president was handling health care. More, 47 percent, disapproved. After the speech, 52 percent said they approved and only 38 percent said they disapproved. Those are the best assessments for Mr. Obama's handling of health care shown all year by CBS News Polls.
President Obama's speech was particularly successful in unifying Democrats. Now, 85 percent of them approve of his handling of health care.
Approval rates also rose among independents and Republicans, but independents are still divided and only 17 percent of Republicans approve of the president's health care actions. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/11/2009 9:33:49 AM | | Gotta love how Obama supporters are touting the polls now that they think things have shifted in his favor...Polls don't mean squat...besides any bump he got will be gone in a few days once people start paying attention to the facts again.... | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/11/2009 9:45:17 AM | I do feel that time will tell the true effect of Obama's speech and its effect on health care.
KALAMAZOO NEWS ran some interesting polls after the speech too. Just as I could not find the demographics of the people polled in this one or the CBS one here it for what it is worth. I was able to discern that CBs had 678 people involved and the Kalamazoo had around triple the number of peoplee involved in most of the questions.
Below are some of the questions asked after the speech.
Did President Barack Obama clarify what he wants in the health care bill?
Total Voters: 2,051. 28% said yes, 67% said no and 4% not sure.
http://www.twiigs.com/poll/Politics/39152
Do you support President Obama's health care proposals?
Total Voters: 1,942 25% answered yes, 72% said no with 1% not sure.
http://www.twiigs.com/poll/Politics/39158
Did the president's speech promote bipartisanship?
Total Voters: 1,461 18% said yes, 78% said no with 3 % unsure.
http://www.twiigs.com/poll/Politics/39153
So it looks like its a bit of demographics as to results and like I said in my earlier post its really too early to tell. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/11/2009 10:35:39 AM | Well, it was reported in today's paper that after Obama's speech 67% of Americans favour his reform plans, compared with 52% prior to his speech.
Looks like he must have been pretty clear in the speech. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/11/2009 10:54:58 AM | Clear about what? I didn't hear one thing that was actually about the bills themselves, just what Obama says they supposedly "won't" do.
Did you get that from the faulty CNN poll where only 18% were anything but democrats? Even the biggest pro-Obama sites are only showing a miminal spike in acceptance.
Here, in a nutshell is the truth about any government healthcare that may pass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7XpeVVUl3E | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/11/2009 12:48:50 PM | Here's a possible good reason why the approval is down and why Wilson called Obama a liar. But what you hear on the news is that Obama is the victim. I had to dig around to see if this was really true.
http://www.cis.org/feere/healthcare
"In fact, lawmakers have blocked language specifically designed to ensure illegal aliens could not access the proposed health care system."
So, technically the illegals are left out...but the enforcement mechanism (SAVE) was voted out.
I too would call that dishonest. But that's just me. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/11/2009 1:18:01 PM | http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/july-16-2009/rep-nathan-deal-fights-government-health-care-illegal-aliens.html?jid=200213&lid=9&rid=1890&tid=80249
Section 1714 states, "in determining eligibility for services under this subsection, the State may consider only the income of the applicant or recipient." This means that for certain non-essential services, the State can disregard an individual's immigration status and look only at the individual's income. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/11/2009 1:36:44 PM | Calif already tried to bar illegal immigrants from social services ...it was called Prop 87. Voters voted it in and the illegal immigrants took it to court.
The state spent tons of money fighting its constitutionality, yet lost.
Maybe that is why Obama is down in the polls? He is a constitutional Lawyer yet either doesn't even know about this landmark episode in constitutionality or he lied regarding something he cannot pull through. OOPS excuse me I forgot Obama doesn't lie he misspeaks.
You cannot bar anyone the government free social services based who they are. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/11/2009 7:50:59 PM |
Calif already tried to bar illegal immigrants from social services ...it was called Prop 87. Voters voted it in and the illegal immigrants took it to court.
The state spent tons of money fighting its constitutionality, yet lost.
So much misinformation
California Proposition 87 was a proposition on the ballot for California voters for the November 7, 2006 general election, officially titled Alternative Energy. Research, Production, Incentives. Tax on California Oil Producers. It was voted down by the voters, 54.7% opposed to 45.3% in favor.
and the idea of illegal immigrants taking issues before a court is ridiculous. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/11/2009 7:57:51 PM |
Except that after the speech ... the APPROVAL rate was up to 67% ... eh?
Guess it depends on the polls you look at.
Do you support President Obama's health care proposals? Demographics unknown. Created on September 10, 2009 by kalamazoo gazette the day after the speech. with 2309 pollsters
73% said no,
25% said yes
1% not sure
http://www.twiigs.com/poll/Politics/39158
If you look through the posts you will realize that 52% against is probably the one closest.
In the posts it seems the polls numbers are from
73% NO to
67% YES
Most of the newer polls are probably from a bias demographics leaning one way or the other. Maybe some of the new polls were a bit too quick on button. Who knows!!!! | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/12/2009 7:16:11 AM |
I can vote on the above poll....and I live in Canada...
Yep , that is why I said that we need to wait a bit for the polling people to get their numbers together. For those that want to get enjoyment out of the highly skewed numbers up or down, fine.
The CNN poll everyone is talking about, political party affiliation demographics of the pollsters are not reprehensive of our country's political party demographics. in fact the numbers are quite skew away from a Republican response.
18% of the respondents who participated in tonight's survey identified themselves as Republicans, 45% identified themselves as Democrats, and 37% identified themselves as Independents http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/09/09/top13.pdf
It's currently reported in America that about 32% to 33% are Republicans and 37% to 38% are Democrats leaving about 25% being independents. In the CNN you can see that the numbers are not even close to those %, with the Republican factor way below what it has been and currently is in our country.. To top it off it seems that there really are not any real other polls out there to compare it to.
What seemed really strange in the skewed numbers up a lot one way or down another way is that Obama's approval rating has essentially stayed in the 52% - 53% range all week. Obama started out the week at 52.8% and ended up the week at 52.3%. Those are not numbers one would expect from a president that just bumped up the approval rating of his biggest controversial piece of legislation. These poll numbers are from Real Clear Politics which averages all the current polls out there.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends (Political affiliation % numbers of America)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html (Real Clear Politics Poll Averages). | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/12/2009 8:46:24 PM | nonsense, going around the circle over and over again.
just make it simple like the rest of civilized world - give minimum social health insurance for everyone, let it be inferior, but some sort of guarantee - then the rest who can afford, let them buy the insurance they afford and deserve.
what is this monkey going around - first we don't let insurance companies not to insure those with preconditions, then we make it more efficient - all of them are complete absuurd, especially forcing employers insure their employees.
i got couple of guys working for me who recently talk to me like as if I owe them something, it's like a little left until they will start yelling on me, while I am the one providing jobs to them.
how this is going to promote economy when people may not work well and have so many right against those who employ them?
arent' insurance companies glad? of course they are. now government forces them not to refuse others if they have preconditions - fine, now they will increase the prices.
government puts some price control, now they will lower the service, they need to make it up somewhere.
also if government forces employers to buy more insurance for these retarded people who have zero responsiblity for themselves to go get insured themselves, then instead of insurance companies selling more to individuals, it becomes a business sale. and business sales are more expensive. not a brainer - for the same telephone line I pay 3 times more just bcs it's a business line as opposed I pay for my home line. med insurance is the same
i don't have a med insurance on my company's name, but as a private individual. when they quoted me in a group plan for business it was way more expensive.
so let insurance companies make more money, advertise idiotic PRESCRIPTION drugs on tv while these drugs are for doctors to prescribe, WTF they advertise it to the public?
let government and insurance companies make more money on you - STPIDS, and you fight here with each other.
let employees get so many rights so that I will stay on Saturday to catch up with works and pay tens of thousands on taxes to keep the government busy for talking childish things and pay now extra for employees insurance.
for someone who became a presidnet without having any business and management experiance, nothing else can be expenced.
this is just about being decent, civil nation or not.
civil nations, all of them have some sort of social medicine, why it is not prsent here in USA?
bcs American arrogance. English were the first ptotestant countries going against traditional Catholic values and even changed their legal system, but even they are in social medicine and have lots of social progrmans the same way Canada and Australia.
so WTF is wrong with USA?
in Russia people make aroudn 10 times less money than in USA, but even they have social medicine which means there is a guarantee that someone will get treated by government paying for it if things come to worst. this doesn't mean that normal people want that. those who take that stay in line for months, but still there is a guarantee. those who need urgent medical care do get treated and do not receive ridiculous bills. it creates friendly atmosphere in society that all members there don't let people in critical situation on top of all that health problem they have now end up in financial ruin.
normal people living in the same socialty do not treat each other like fascists treated jews.
but in America it's nothing else than fascism to let people go broke while they get sick just bcs they were not punctual and didn't get or couldnot afford insurance.
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/13/2009 12:55:13 AM | | I'm all for a co-op pay public healthcare option. People that want the public healthcare option will pay a small precentage of the co-op fee for each time they go to a hosiptol or a clinc etc.. I mean, it looks like that what it's going to come down to anyhow in the end. | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/13/2009 2:00:49 PM | Polls polls polls
Guys. If you look at a CNN, NY Times or Fox, NPR ect... poll you are gonna get different numbers every time. Gallup currently has the best reputation as a polling company. This comes from my college classes. Otherwise you might as well split the difference between the various media outlets.
As for economics if I were all of you, I would start listening to those who were calling this collapse long before it happened. Not all weathermen are accurate and why would all economists be?
Here's some that were predicting this economic collapse; Peter Schiff, Nouriel Roubini, Robert Schiller ( author of Irrational Exhuberence), Lyndon LaRouche, | |
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| Obama disapproval on health care up to 52 percent
Posted: 9/13/2009 2:35:18 PM |
Guys. If you look at a CNN, NY Times or Fox, NPR ect... poll you are gonna get different numbers every time. Gallup currently has the best reputation as a polling company. This comes from my college classes. Otherwise you might as well split the difference between the various media outlets.
That is why I used Real Clear Politics when possible for political they average out close to all the current polls currently out there.
Before using other polls I will try and find the demographics of the people being polled. (I will often note that this is unknown if I can't find them) If it is to be a poll reflective of America's feelings then the poll takers should reflective of America's demographics.
In politics that means that there probably should be around a third republicans, a bit over a third democrats and about a forth independents.
According to Rasmussen there seems to be 32-33% Republicans, 37-38% Democrats with about 25% independents. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends (Political affiliation % numbers of America)
I don't really have a problem with polls that are just 5 percentage points higher or lower off in the type of demographics they should be using. It's when demographics % are 10 to 20 % lower higher in one or more areas. That is usually indicative of that there were be a bias in one direction or the other.
Most of the polls that came out right after Obama's Health Care Speech had slanted demographics or demographics that could not be distinguished. That is why I said it might be better for some better polls for comparison.
The 52% disapproval is before Obamas speech but is reflective of quite a few polls.
So I'm not really jumping off or on any bandwagons with the Heath Care Polls. | |
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