| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 4:21:46 AM | Whilst I'm sure were all fed up reading about Jordan and Peter Andre.....
During the models latest show on ITV2 What Katie did next not that I've ever seen it
She has told members of her film crew that she was raped by a well known Celebrity.
If this is true shouldn't she have gone to the police to report this serious crime?
If she doesn't want to cant the old bill knock on her front door and ask questions?
This applies to all women who make these allegations not just famous models.
If there is a dangerous celebrity out there shouldn't the public have a right to know about it? | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 4:32:30 AM | She was happy enough to tell her story on air yet never had she mentioned it to her (ex?) husband?
Anyway.
I suppose she cant be forced into reporting it so she shouldnt really be using it in the media,she is doing nothing to help rape victims and is highlighting nothing new so as callous as it sounds she should put up or shut up.
I can see no other valid reason for her not reporting the attack now other than her being scared she will get done for fabricating the whole thing if no other evidence comes forward. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 4:33:50 AM | In theory.... Yes.... but it takes a lot of courage to report rape, to endure the consequences of the investigations and court case if one arises. Not to mention the mental and phisical pain she must go through.
With the conviction rate being so low is it any wonder lots don't report. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 4:34:13 AM | Whilst I'm sure were all fed up reading about Jordan and Peter Andre.....
I've no doubt you're right on that one.
During the models latest show on ITV2 What Katie did next not that I've ever seen it
Punctuation!
She has told members of her film crew that she was raped by a well known Celebrity.
Has she? I wonder why she'd tell them that, whether true or not.
If this is true shouldn't she have gone to the police to report this serious crime?
Not if she doesn't wish to.
If she doesn't want to cant the old bill knock on her front door and ask questions?
They could do, but without even having an allegation from her it's unlikely to go very far. In fact few rape allegations in this country result in a conviction. This is partly because it can be difficult to prove and partly because there are many women around who will invent rape allegations.
This applies to all women who make these allegations not just famous models.
I admire your unbiased view, but what are you referring to?!
If there is a dangerous celebrity out there shouldn't the public have a right to know about it?
Oh dear, I thought you were unbiased! No, unless a case comes to court and the person is actually convicted, the public should have no right to know anything. The same should be true for all sexual allegations. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 4:34:49 AM | Considering many many reported cases don't end up in a trial never mind a conviction I would never condemn someone for being raped and not reporting it.
As for there being a dangerous celebrity out there and the public having a right to know about it look at what happened to John Leslie when he was outed as being the attacker of Ulrika Johnson. He was never convicted of the offence but he was treated as if he was guilty.
This isn't the first time Jordan has spoken about sexual abuse, I believe she spoke about the subject on a TV programme a few months ago.
I would think it's only a matter of time before someone approaches the press with the name of the alleged attacker. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 4:37:38 AM | great point hams, surely the police should have a right to get involved in the interests of public safety. If its publicity then there should be a case for wasting police time, this would stop the so called claim. I dont know the facts but however this has come out, unless by a third party, it would have come out for a reason.
i think rape cases are the hardest crimes to prove and i think its 5% that actually get a positive conviction. This being highlighted also must make women think thats the point of reporting it if nothing will be done or the guy will get away with it.
The jordan case, i give it two weeks tops until the guy is "outed" if i was him and i had nothing to hide i would come out and stick it on her first. Plead my innocence now because it will come out. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 4:39:43 AM | Jordon really should have kept her mouth shut!!
Please let me explain........
I say this because she has spoken of being sexually assaulted & having been raped more than on one occasion - and after none of these incidents has she gone to the police, reported it and ensured justiced was done. What kind of example is she setting to young women (and men) out there; moreso them who look up to her as role model?
As a individual so much in the public eye & who easily influences many young teens i cant help but think that she should be leading by example, setting an example even....She should have reported it to the police, i cant think of no reason not to. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 4:40:14 AM |
If there is a dangerous celebrity out there shouldn't the public have a right to know about it?
Nope. Frankly, you don't have a right to know. I have no feelings about Ms Price but it is up to her whether she reports this or not.
Going by your logic, it would be my right as a member of the public to know anything about any information you may have on any of your friends who could be considered dangerous. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 4:48:30 AM | The whole thing came about as an off camera comment I believe, then the papers got a hold of it and as usual it has snowballed.
The alleged attack happened years ago, and at the time she may not have felt strong enough to cope with it being dragged through the legal systems. That is how I felt at 17 when it happened to me, I thought no one would believe me, or tell me I asked for it. If it happened to me now I would drag the **stard through every court in the land as I am a much stronger person now.
P.S Hams, you've been watching the wright stuff haven't you lol | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 4:55:13 AM |
Whilst I'm sure were all fed up reading about Jordan and Peter Andre.....
You'd have thought so, but someone must be watching the shows and reading the stuff in the tabloids/gossip mags otherwise she wouldn't still be making money...
as for the rape claim to me it seems like just seeking more publicity, which would be a new low even for her. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 5:01:23 AM | but was that a natural reaction kez or was it because of what you had heard from people? look at what people have wrote, everyone has said how difficult it would be to make it stick...... if the publicity was reversed and it was more common knowledge that convictions werent so difficult would it make people think twice before doing the crime?
even if it was off camera, why would the conversation come up.... not the sort of thing that you throw into tittle tattle
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 5:07:07 AM | If this is true shouldn't she have gone to the police to report this serious crime?
Yes she should have but ultimately it is her choice and no one knows the ins and outs of what happened, what state emotionally she was in at that time. The conviction rates for rape are very low as well as the actual reporting of rape crimes.
If she doesn't want to cant the old bill knock on her front door and ask questions? The police don't need the victims permission to pursue a crime and are duty bound to investigate all crimes that they are aware off. Jordan though doesn't have to answer any questions and clearly doesn't want to take any legal action so the police shouldn't get involved, would be a waste of time and money.
If there is a dangerous celebrity out there shouldn't the public have a right to know about it?
The public should only know about convictions and when people have been charged with an offence and not before, so no we should not ne aware who this person is. If he does it again should Jordan feel guilty? She probably would but shouldn't and more the legal system in this Country that allows rapists to get away with the crime and the low conviction rate.
The jordan case, i give it two weeks tops until the guy is "outed" if i was him and i had nothing to hide i would come out and stick it on her first. Plead my innocence now because it will come out.
How would you know that she meant you if you were innocent? If someone came out now and said that they thought Jordan meant them it would seem like a guilty man to me. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 5:19:19 AM | "If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?"
It's her choice. When you know the procedure she would have to go through if she reported it and the actual percentage rate of someone being prosecuted successfully, what's the point.
It has to be a personal choice, and unless you've been through it, you never know what you would do in the circumstances.
As for this particular case with Jordan, I have tried to avoid it as much as possible, but if she's decided she wants to talk about it to the press and no doubt make money from the publicity, then personally I think she should then be prepared to report it, otherwise it does just smack of yet ANOTHER publicity stunt!! | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 5:19:26 AM | she would have obviously named the fella, i think the guy has already gone to one of the papers.... does that mean he is guity???? wouldnt want you to be the judge if i was up before you.
If there was more than one.... wouldnt that also mean she was very unlucky or maybe making things up | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 5:24:41 AM | Why is she in the papers anway? What has she ever done for this world that benefits it?
Do we really want people that earn more money that a Doctor through only ever doing "kiss and tell stories". The faster that the public just ignore her, the faster she will just go back into the obscurity that all these "so called celebrities" belong.
I'm sorry but she lost her credibility so long ago that i cannot believe a single word that comes out of her mouth. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 5:24:49 AM |
It has to be a personal choice, and unless you've been through it, you never know what you would do in the circumstances.
Indeed. People can also be raped or sexually assaulted more than once, the same way that any crime could happen to someone on more than one occasion.
Personally I think we underestimate the amount of trauma that rape victims might suffer before judging whether they were right or wrong to report it or not as the case may be.
As for Jordan, I think she is a very mixed up individual who is clearly hurting right now, whether she is telling the truth, only she knows that. I think she needs some sort of proper help and support before she goes totally off the rails. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 5:27:28 AM | This is JORDAN we are talking about !!!!!!!!!!
She exists by trying to keep the tv thing going - of COURSE she will splash stuff in the media and on 'her' programme first - thats why sad celebrity obsessed people watch it and pay her a fat salary !!
If you wanna know who the celebrity is, watch her programme or read the Sun ...
But YES if a woman claims to have been raped, she should report it to the police as soon as is practically possible to preserve any evidence (no doubt missing now in the Jordan case ..)
Not reporting merely serves to reinforce the opinion of some guys that they can treat women like sh*t and get away with it ..... | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 5:30:21 AM |
she would have obviously named the fella,
Has she? Why is that obvious?
i think the guy has already gone to one of the papers.... does that mean he is guity?
I am not aware of any accusation that has been made against any man, if she hasn't made an allegation what would prompt a man to go to the papers and say I didn't rape Jordan? I should go to and confess my innocence.......
Going to the papers now would imply to me a guilty conscience but if I was a Judge or on a jury I would require evidence to convict. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 6:00:41 AM | so she said i was raped by a celebrity.... but im not saying which one........ not really alot of credit in saying that is there
the last bit of your comment doesnt make sense........ if she didnt make an accusation what are we actually discussing here? What did she say raped her if it wasnt a man? what tends to happen in these cases is the paper has details of the other party and they approach that party before the story comes out to give them the opportunity to put their side of the story out, thats why say the mirror have one side of the story and say the sun has the other. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 6:20:44 AM | | Frankly i think she is going on about it for the publicity ,there is not a day goes by when she is not in the headlines or he is ,its a game they play and he is winning at the moment and she does not like it .i think even if it meant standing up in court i would report some one raping me ,i bet in the next few weeks exactly who she claims raped her will be named ,it said in paper !TV2 who make her programme already know but have been sworn to secrecy , we all know secrets come out | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 6:35:19 AM |
so she said i was raped by a celebrity.... but im not saying which one........ not really alot of credit in saying that is there
She said that she had been raped weeks ago, I know I read it or heard it somewhere and there was no mention of names or accusations against anyone at that time. The story has snowballed as I guess the Newspapers have investigated as it would sell a lot of papers, jordan accuses "add celebrity name here" of rape is headlines for weeks.
the last bit of your comment doesnt make sense........ if she didnt make an accusation what are we actually discussing here? What did she say raped her if it wasnt a man? what tends to happen in these cases is the paper has details of the other party and they approach that party before the story comes out to give them the opportunity to put their side of the story out, thats why say the mirror have one side of the story and say the sun has the other.
I knew about the allegation of someone raping her weeks ago and after looking it transpires that there now is a man at the centre of these claims weeks after the event. He hasn't gone to the papers and they have gone to him and he has denied any involvement.
My point was that you didn't get was , if no one has accused you of a crime, no crime has been reported to the police, a crime has been mentioned in the papers and nothing more and your name not linked with it what would make you associate that crime with yourself if you were innocent that you would go to the papers to say that you were? The only way in those circumstances that someone would think it was them is if they were guilty or know that Jordan has a grudge against them. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 6:37:53 AM | Apparently this has come about because someone criticised her new partner for acting in a film that had a rape scene in it, she defended him, mentioned in her column for OK magazine that she had been raped and it has snowballed from there.
I think the newspapers who are doorstepping celebrities asking if it's them are wrong, they could ruin an innocent person's reputation.
Police are now apparently waiting to take action as well. | |
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| If a woman claims to have been raped shouldn't she report it?
Posted: 9/17/2009 6:45:19 AM | Msg 7
What kind of example is she setting to young women (and men) out there; moreso them who look up to her as role model?
A cr@ppy one, IMO she should have gone to the police at the time.
Almost any woman could ruin a man's reputation by a spiteful accusation years after an alleged incident. It would be trial by tabloid he'll be damned if he goes to the papers damned if he doesn't. | |
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