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 milghi

Joined: 9/11/2009
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Posted: 9/18/2009 8:42:11 AM
Sometimes I feel so fed up with life that I even don’t want to stay here in this earth for one minute or second. Why people dominant other people? What are the reason being cast, class and group? You are in this group so you have to follow this and you are in that group and so you have to obey that! Why do we classify so many categories? When this question mark comes in my mind, I feel empty. Why are we divided in to religion, nation, race and this and that? Why do we want to get very short term benefit by dividing ourselves into enormous categories? When the God made human being (what so ever!), he probably never thought that his creation would be divided in to so many categories and would have full of tear due clashes in these categories.
He is Muslim and she is Christian, there is fight! And same Christians are classified into countries and countries are levelled into races like black and white. Still it was not enough and started classifying according to thought like red head and democratic. Identity of human became identity of these groups. And what should one normal person do whose identity is completely associated with these fake classifications of groups.
They feel proud for being in one of these groups. They advocate till death about the good aspect of the group. They become blind when they start advocating their group. They can’t see the drawback of their group and show only positive aspects. When one group tries showing their group is great than another group, a clash starts, a conflict starts, and society becomes imbalance. Human starts cry and earth becomes bloody tearful. One labels another as looser. Definitely, the God never becomes happy after all of these incidents.
After all, both parties are equal for the God with no difference! Why should he incline more to majority or to minority? Everyone is same for the God. Everyone is equal. But no one understands this. In spite, they also divided the God too. They made many fractions to the God saying Muslim, Christian, Hinduism; Buddhism and so on. Would the God ever thought about that; obviously not. Yes, someone could call him from any name, no matter, Mohammad! The Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, but he would never allow fight for the superiority of these artificial names, would he?
Everyone got the wishes and pray for the God for their happiness. But who cares for the happiness of the God! He in himself is perfect right! He wouldn’t any wishes right! He is like the tree, go and get peace. He tolerates everything. Go and confess with him he forgives any blunder. He would never ask anything with anyone right!
 KinkyBastard

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Posted: 9/18/2009 8:58:07 AM
Ah... I don't wish to rain on your parade dude... But to be frank, I'm not sure what you're on about... But let me say just one (or two) things.

Yes, this world is in trouble... Has been for quite some time if you ask me, and sure... Given today's technology and rampant consumerism, I would think that it's quite safe to say that we ARE in uncharted waters.

However... Turning to God isn't the answer. Don't get me wrong... I certainly like to believe that there are higher, better things than us that exist "elsewhere" but, right now, we're on our own.

Religion seems to be filled with Tests. Tests for this... Tests for that... Well... The World we're living in right now is a Test and running to God to implore Him to fix our mistakes seems like a real cop out!

If every time we fall in a ditch and we call on God to bail us out... Then how the heck are we going to learn anything?!

No... We made this ditch and we have to get ourselves out of it... On our own! And we'll either fail in the process... Which means we ain't worthy... Or we will overcome our own shortcomings and become a LOT better off after passing "The Test".

I ain't religious in any sense of the word but... I do agree with one, very important concept. Free Will... How we use that Will is 100% down to us.

So the onus is on Us… And no other.
 Hollowecho

Joined: 1/22/2008
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Posted: 9/18/2009 9:05:50 AM
That is quite a confused thread header, but I've persevered with it - and basically I think my response to it is that people tend to stick with what they know, or recognise. Birds of a feather stick together... the popular, pretty clique at school, the smoker's gang who swear and hang around in school doorways together, the sporty clique etc.

Diversity is a good trait in the human race, because we don't all want to look the same or act the same. However while some people relish diversity others fear it. That's where intolerance and discrimination come into play. My parents, for example, were racist and hated gays. They were brought up in a generation which was 'tut tut!' about such things, and so that small-minded attitude prevailed. When I came out as gay, which took some summoning of courage, my dad said "Just as long as the locals don't find out and we get a brick through the window", and my mother said "It's disgusting - un-natural. I'll never be able to hold my head up high again if people find out".

Society has been conditioned to reject so many things now, and our expectations have become unrealistic. Size 0, look this way, dress that way. Celebrities get ripped to shreds in the media if they're caught having a 'bad hair day'. And people pay for that (magazines and tabloid newspapers) because they enjoy tearing someone else down, it makes them feel better about their own inadequacies. People fear what they can't relate to.... what they don't understand. Difference.
 milghi

Joined: 9/11/2009
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Posted: 9/18/2009 9:34:47 AM
Yes I know, we do the mistakes and we have to be responsible for these mistakes. But don’t you think that this never ending testing procedure leads us towards a vigorous uncertainty with equal likely chances of being complete destruction. Here, I am indicating about entire human race welfare not only about some technical issues.
Just last day, I was returning from work alone. Two teenagers boy came and one started threatening me. He told me, ‘can I punch in your head?’ he was hardly 11 to 13 years old. What factor inspired him to threaten me? Are those treats come by birth? Or he learned from the surrounding? Like he should say someone as his friend and someone as his enemy regardless of the true circumstances!
I am not up to what someone says to me but just look surrounding, it is everywhere in variety of forms and shapes.
I know, every individual is different and unique in this universe. But, 'A' thinks that his uniqueness is more important than B or C’s uniqueness and B and C also think that they are most superior so they should be respectful. Where is the respect? Actually, we never learned to respect each other. We think we are superior, our thought is important and our believe and perception is only the true.
 _central_scrutinizer_

Joined: 9/15/2009
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Posted: 9/18/2009 10:13:34 AM
Why evils exists is an age-old question. You will never find the full answer as a mere mortal. Either God exists, and we don't know why evil exists. Or else there is no god, and the question is meaningless. Either way:

Your job, should you accept it, is to help those who need you. Do what you can to make the world a better place. Alleviate someone's misery. It's all you can do, one caring deed at a time. And you will feel better. Trust me. And that might be a beginning to the answer you're looking for.

 Paul K

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Posted: 9/18/2009 10:32:08 AM
Hey Kinky

You stated that you weren't religious, but I am curious if you believe in the concept of "God". By that I mean, a power, or control, or "Big Dude", something that has designed where and what we are. Like you, I believe that the most important aspect that we as humans posses is FREE WILL. I was raised in a very religous family, then went the other way, but as I learned more about our world, physiology of the human body, just how detailed it is, just how detailed all creatures are, I found it hard to believe that everything "just happened". I have a nephew who is a rocket scientist, really is, works for Boeing, and one day asked him if there was a way to figure out the odds of "us" becoming what we are through the evolutionary process. His answer was that we don't have numbers big enough to express it.

You are right when you say that it is free will that is the most important concept that we posses. Without free will, what would be the reason for even trying to better yourself or to help those that need it? I would say to you that as you go on in life, and realize just how complex everything really is, it is almost comforting to believe that there is an entity out there that is in charge. I don't believe that this entity has any direct effect or that this entity micromanages us in any way shape or form, but he sure does have a sick sense of humor, looking at where we are now on planet earth. I am willing to bet he would be a lot of fun to talk to. Again, these are my personal beliefs, and being beliefs, can't be proven, but to me they make sense.

Since the heading of this thread is "Words to the God", here are my words to "the God";


''Thanks a lot, Pal..................''

And then a big smile.


Paul K
 JustDukky

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Posted: 9/18/2009 10:56:27 AM

Do what you can to make the world a better place. Alleviate someone's misery. It's all you can do, one caring deed at a time. And you will feel better.

I can only add "ditto" to that advice. If you're looking for a reward for doing it, there isn't one, unless you consider it rewarding to help your fellow man with no hope or desire of reward, in which case you will find it infinitely rewarding, as it will give your life a sense of power, belonging, purpose and of course, meaning.
 batdann

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Posted: 9/18/2009 12:58:37 PM
nice too read your thoughts and I don't agree on alot of issues.
 farceur

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Posted: 9/18/2009 2:12:22 PM
At the root of it are the two facts: that people are able to both help and harm one another. Clumping together in groups is a means of protection, strength in numbers, sharing the wealth, taking care of your own. The ideal, ironically, of each group is to gather everyone into it. That is based on the premise that we are good and they are against us. In this premise the way to be one of us is to agree with us, think like us, act like us, live like us, and the opposite of us is them, who disagree with us, think in ways unlike we do, etc. You can step back and notice that both groups are identical in that they operate the same way but have slightly different versions of how they describe the same things. Our arbitrary divisions, classifications, religions, groupings have arisen without the benefit of reason, as people from different places and of different races make of their differences the stuff of us versus them. To someone who thinks of things rationally the absurdity and irony is made obvious. To people whose ideas are not rational, belief is at work, and for that all you need is a story to follow that feels right emotionally. The story of us versus them works for people whose lack of reason leaves them blind to the obviously universal aspect of humanity; we're all human. Irrational believers see good humans and bad humans, good countries and bad countries, etc. In any religion the goal is to transcend the form of the religion to achieve the formless appreciation of life that comes from setting aside any and all things that divide us. The success rate is very low. What happens instead is the religion becomes a power structure and the noble ideals of it are peddled as rationalizations.
 cutiebird

Joined: 8/4/2009
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Posted: 9/18/2009 4:11:18 PM
We question what we dont understand, this is natural we dont understand human nature. That require's certain food to upbuild spirit and faith, to enable belief.
In faith in God, I trust with my free will not a particular denomination, i will try to understand as any human can. And not try to enter the mind of god as that would be not an earthly knowledge, and certainly beyond my capability. But i can read about his personality in nature and feed on the positive things in life. And find comforting words in 1Corinthians 13 verse 1 to 13 . But Science is discovering things. things are being revealed all the time .
 milghi

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Posted: 9/18/2009 4:16:34 PM
to farceur,
I agree with your view. Everyone wants to stick with one group and each group is having some basic goal to accomplish. The difference is only in the way of getting that goal. I have read one story about sheep with I was kid. Two sheeps were coming towards a bridge from opposite direction. They were trying to cross the river (goal). But the bridge was so small that only one could fit at one time. Both of them were arrogant and so both of them came to the bridge from opposite direction and in the middle of the bridge they encountered with each other. There was no way to out, neither back nor front. Due to lack of harmony, respect and sacrifice, they started fighting with horn and both of then fell down in the river and died. Next day, two goats came on the same way and encountered in the middle of the bridge. Unlikely sheeps, one allowed another from the top by laying down himself. In that way, both of them were accomplish the goal.
Is there any way for us to accomplish our goal with not hurting at the same time? It is really a big question and almost impossible to answer.
 Island home

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Posted: 9/18/2009 5:03:22 PM
^^^almost impossible to answer.

Means we arent there yet. Doesnt mean give up an run around in fear

Fear our biggest enemy ! We don't defeat fear by bashing it up!
 farceur

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Posted: 9/18/2009 5:31:16 PM
The rational approach to humanism is to consider activities in terms of practical consequences. Some of misery is due to the way things are, and some is self inflicted through ignorance. The role of education is to promote the kind of awareness, rationality and knowledge necessary for organization and transaction of human affairs to best serve the needs of humanity. Things having to do with the basics of sustenance and health are pretty straightforward. The tricky part is due to individual happiness being somewhat a matter of the person's psychological habits and their emotional responses, which deal in belief, identity, purpose, and fantasy. You can optimize the experience of life on Earth to be best for most, in practical terms, but that leaves people to be happy or not for reasons of their own, regardless of an objective reality. The fact of diversity creates conflicts, because people being different will want different things. So, there is no one big solution like Utopia. There is just the proposition that as well as people treat one another, people may enjoy the benefits of being and living among helpful and caring people. Good intentions, good acts, good results. It's enough to be trying, doing what you can. The ideal of everyone always happy is a guide but not a realistic goal.

When you encounter someone who is living in their own world unaware of this one big world we share, seeing themselves as separate, and having no regard for you, that's just someone who hasn't yet and might not ever come to think broadly about life. Deal with them as you like, or ignore them. I prefer not to get upset when people put things in my path that I can step over or around and keep on walking. If I was walking in the woods and found a tree fallen across the path I would not rage against the forest, bemoan the state of forestry, or stop to wrestle the tree.
 KinkyBastard

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Posted: 9/18/2009 5:52:22 PM
Hey Paul K.

Yeah I'm very much into Science... Have been for as long as I can remember, and as such, I like to think that I do appreciate just how small we are in this vast and complex Universe.

And yes, even though I'm not religious, I do believe there is more out there than we can truly know... At this point in time anyway… And that there are some things that will probably always remain beyond our knowledge.

God... It’s such a small word to describe something which is quite indescribable. When I use the word God... I honestly don't know what I'm talking about. But to me that's the most important thing... God... Whatever that may be, is beyond comprehension in my eyes, but I guess I use that word to remind myself that we actually know VERY little and that some sort of humility is called for. Especially in the face of our History which, let's face it, is pretty bloody and brutal and seems, for the most part, to be based on male Human ego.

I'm sure many of my more scientifically minded peers would bawk at my admission to even use that word... God... But as I said, it's simply a word I use to describe the indescribable. I certainly don't advocate, like some of our religious peers, that I know what God wants and what "His" intentions are. Such simplistic Human notions are irrelevant in this matter and yes, I use quotes around the word “His” because gender is also irrelevant...

Back to the Human question then... In my humble opinion, I don't think God is simply there to clean up our mistakes or to swoop down on us in times of despair. I would much rather do something about a problem, than hope that it will somehow go away if I pray hard enough... I guess that's one of my major gripes with religion... This idea of off loading responsibility elsewhere, when the problem should be addressed at its source.

Anyway it’s a big and complex subject... And my own humble opinion is simply just that... A humble opinion... Maybe I'm just inventing a mystery to amuse myself in this Life... But to me... Life IS a mystery... Even if we eventually unravel the mechanism of Life in its totality, the fact remains... Why do we exist at all?

(Okay I'm WAY off topic here LOL!)
 Paul K

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Posted: 9/18/2009 6:33:20 PM
AHHH!!!

Hey Kinky, you answered your own question as to why we exist in a statement you made earlier, or at least according to me you answered it.

We exist because we have free will, and that is something that no one can take from you. I draw an analogy to explaining God in this way, it is like me trying to teach my daughters dog algebra; way above the dogs pay scale. Some things MUST be taken on faith, for if you really think that you have all the answers, then you really are wrong.
I go through life wondering every morning what I am going to learn, or find out, or discover that day. THAT makes life very interesting. I do have to admit that every once in a while when I get a little shitfaced and silly, it is hard to think that way hung over, but for most of the time, to me, life is a wonder.

I agree with you that most religions are used as a crutch, which is sad, because religion at its core should make the individual responsible for their own lives, otherwise, how would anyone qualify for the "good place" after death?

Paul K
 monalee1

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Posted: 9/18/2009 7:44:00 PM
hi.. OP I appreciate your thoughts and can relate to feeling disheartened over the state of the world... I seek solace in Gods Word, I find my direction and strength in Jesus... I have come to understand that God gave us Good and that the adversary has made a counterfeit to that Good... do I feel able to go head to head with a fallen angel who was once Gods highest angel?.. no I do not.. I know that I need God and Christ and Gods Spirit in order to make it through the haze and the traps set by a great foe... there is an Eternal Life to be won and a hell to shun so I am not taking any chances by going on my own wisdom.. I mean we go to scientists for science, mathematicians for math and finacial advisors for our finances and yet we hesitate to go to God for Spiritual matters... we have become divided because we have turned away from Our Creators Voice and we have listened to the voices of Godless beings and fallen angels... free will for me means that I choose to go into the battle over my life with Gods Army vs going in alone but that is just me... blessings for Peace and Assurance
 divagreen

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Posted: 9/18/2009 8:42:01 PM

In any religion the goal is to transcend the form of the religion to achieve the formless appreciation of life that comes from setting aside any and all things that divide us. The success rate is very low. What happens instead is the religion becomes a power structure and the noble ideals of it are peddled as rationalizations.


Bingo!

When I was in high school, (way back in the day), I participated in a play titled, "Us and Them". It was a play about two independent groups, whose only difference lied in the fact that one side of their face was white, and the other side black. One group, the black paint was on the right side, and the other group was on the left, with the white paint being vice versa.

So both groups are on opposite ends of the stage, and start wondering what the other group is doing. Then they get really suspicious. An agreement is made between the two groups, to build a wall, in which the they cooperatively construct. After the wall is built, they start wondering what the other group is doing, on the other side of the wall. So now, they must look. Each group sends someone over the wall at the same time, and OH MY! They are spying on us! (Neither group acknowledges that they were doing the same thing.) Why, they must be planning an attack! Let's tear down the wall to attack them! They clearly want to harm us! So they tear down the wall, and attack each other. One survivor remains from each group, and they end up on side of the stage of the group that they were opposing. And both decided they needed to build a taller wall, a stronger wall.

A compelling social commentary, one that asks a lot of questions.

Op, I think it is "natural" for humans to classify things. It provides insight into the inter-relatedness of the environment around us. She has red hair, he has brown hair. "Why is that?" We make the distinction in order to attain knowledge, and to build upon the knowledge that we have gained. I might be overgeneralizing here. Because history also tells us that people make distinctions for other reasons...


The rational approach to humanism is to consider activities in terms of practical consequences. Some of misery is due to the way things are, and some is self inflicted through ignorance. The role of education is to promote the kind of awareness, rationality and knowledge necessary for organization and transaction of human affairs to best serve the needs of humanity. Things having to do with the basics of sustenance and health are pretty straightforward. The tricky part is due to individual happiness being somewhat a matter of the person's psychological habits and their emotional responses, which deal in belief, identity, purpose, and fantasy. You can optimize the experience of life on Earth to be best for most, in practical terms, but that leaves people to be happy or not for reasons of their own, regardless of an objective reality. The fact of diversity creates conflicts, because people being different will want different things. So, there is no one big solution like Utopia. There is just the proposition that as well as people treat one another, people may enjoy the benefits of being and living among helpful and caring people. Good intentions, good acts, good results.


I feel like this was beautifully put, and well worth repeating. However, if we can dream of an Utopia, then we may adhere to ideals which may be followed up with action. And there is the part about everyone's idea of Utopia, is different.

I believe that Utopia is honoring inherent, equal human value. There would have to be an agreement amongst peers, in order for it to exist. Peers being the operative word here. No human would be considered better than, or less than, than the other.

I don't believe humans are incapable of it. I think we just lack the role-models in order for it to exist. We would have to co-create that model, in order for it to exist. (Did I just use the term create? Does that make me a Creationist? ...just joking...)
 madgato

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Posted: 9/18/2009 10:23:19 PM
@Kinky B

And yes, even though I'm not religious, I do believe there is more out there than we can truly know... At this point in time anyway… And that there are some things that will probably always remain beyond our knowledge. ... I'm sure many of my more scientifically minded peers would bawk at my admission to even use that word... God... But as I said, it's simply a word I use to describe the indescribable.


The term I use to for what you describe is Agnostic Theism. Or the belief that at least one deity exists, but that it is impossible to ever prove that existence.

Now as far as a world created with both good and evil. I always liked Alvin Platinga's view of it in his work, God, Freedom, and Evil . The view he defends is that God is omnipotent, and as such he could and did create the best world possible. But in order to do that, and create the highest attribute of moral good, the inclusion of moral evil also has to coexist.
 milghi

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Posted: 9/18/2009 11:37:45 PM
to Madgato,
Even though I haven’t read the book yet, the concept of God, freedom and Evil is really interesting. There is saying, ‘God leads light and Evil leads dark.’ From one point of view, it seems true, like if people of good heart (towards God) try to be free from people of bad heart (Evil). But is there any boundary of good and bad? There is another saying, ‘if anyone of them anger, desire, greediness and affectionate became uncontrollable in a person then he or she becomes Evil. May be same theory implies to groups and society in overall. And, it is not extraordinary though because our social system is always based on vertical pyramid and so leader’s thought and sightseeing affects the social structure and the world. Sometimes we are good hearted people get the leadership of Evil hearted leader and feel pain all the way.
Though, the concept of freedom is really complicated. Sometimes with ourselves and our believe and sometimes with external factors. But still freedom is really a wonderful word and it is the only one way to get The God.
 ishaun

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Posted: 9/19/2009 6:37:08 AM
I didn't read the entire wall of text I was presented with, but I noticed at the beginning you're saying God didn't think we'd be so divided. The funny thing about that is, and I get this right from a bible I read:

I'm not quoting anything because I don't remember the exact lines, but it went something like this:

Man kind had come together in Unity worshiping God, all speaking one language, and having one religion. They wanted to build a grand tower to reach God, and began construction. When they were nearly done, God came down to see them, and what they have done, he said "Together they can accomplish anything like us, we cannot allow them to be like us". God destroyed the tower, and separated the people in different nations, giving them different languages to confuse each other.



I pretty much stopped reading the bible after that, wondering Wtf is this about? Who is this God, and why did he mention "We" as in more than one -- the same thing that was said in the Adam & Eve story when Adam ate from the tree of knowledge. That went something like "he ate from the tree of knowledge, and now can have knowledge, we cannot allow him to eat from the tree of life or he will live forever like us".
 ishaun

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Posted: 9/19/2009 6:47:42 AM
Here I found the text online:


3They said to each other, “Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.
4Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”
5But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building.
6The LORD said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
7Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
8So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.
9That is why it was called Babel†—because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
 Paul K

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Posted: 9/19/2009 2:36:27 PM
Hi Madgato

I like your description of Kinky's view of God, that being Agnostic Theism. I think that I fall rather closely in the same category. However, my thoughts on WHY God created us and this world are a little more different, and a bit more detailed. Again, this all goes back to BELIEF, and why would an omnipotent being create a place where all of the suffering and evil that has gone on would go on; especially in light of His omnipotence, he knew it was going to happen. Lots of issues there, some rationalization is required, but when it is all wrapped up, it really all makes sense. That is, IF you have a belief in God in the first place.

I think free will is the corner stone of why God did what he did here on earth, and as a result of that am sad to see what direction some countries are taking, where free will is getting less and less free, for lack of a better word.


Paul K
 Light Storm

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Posted: 9/19/2009 2:52:47 PM
To OP

To assume God knows the difference between right and wrong is pretty wishful thinking. I've always thought of God as more of an energy that connects everything in this vast universe. Cool thing about energy... that being it can never be created or destroyed, but it can be transformed into just about anything the imagination can come up with.

You have the power to make choices on how you use this Energy... you can use it to create, and you can use it to destroy. These are not choices energy makes... they are choices we make.

If you hate the world and want to end it all... sucks to be you, I don't see it that way, and choose to live pretty content with what I have, and more for the people around me then I need them.

Remember... to the world you are just 1 person, but to 1 person, you can mean the world.
 MetDBlck

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Posted: 9/19/2009 3:11:50 PM
In agreement with farceur's words. belief in ontological ideals of Utopia causes as much strife as it does good when chased following dogmatic and conditioned (culture/location) ideals.

Utopia (in my opinion anyway) should be approached as a perception and action towards the world, and your life (and those you come into contact with). Not concerned with eschatological Utopias and how to pursue them. To all degrees, religions teach and adovcate a "mastery" over this world, a way of approach and philosophy usually in the form of an ethical ethos. Additionally many concern themselves with a more traditional/mythological aspect with which to ground these codes from (for authority) the trouble is ba;ance between, for is religion not just ethics without tradition? (Yet could make for easier co-operation between faiths) and is tradition without the life-ethics emphasis just cultural myth with nothing realistic to offer us in this world?

I studied Theology at university and it always was a musing of mine in that so much effort is placed by each religion in the metaphysics of their theologies (and can be seen with Christians on forum boards sometimes). WHY this is ethical, WHY God exists. Religion is a method of medium between man and his experience of God in this life, no? And how he grows from that? More focus should be shifted onto the fundemental teachings of compassion, dignity, humility and wisdom and less on the initial justification, the importance would be far more apparent in the behaviours of the faithful were it administered more diligently in their lifestyles. It would also be a more stable ground for inter-faith dialogue and dialogue with atheists, starting with grounds they are familiar with (behaviour --> religious justification) as opposed to foreign grounded entry (religious justification --> behaviour) which for someone who isn't religious/of a wildy different tradition, upon hearing a justification for behaviour not in line/agreement with their own of the behaviour, will be quicker to disagree than to recognise the similarity.

Fussing and feuding internally about concepts which may be well and good for eschatology, theology and theodicy and such, but offer less to religious instruction of salvation, which, in the nitty gritty of it all, the entire purpose of religiosity (to trascend above the mundane, as was pointed out earlier; even if it requires very world-based masteries to get there, maybe it's ironic?)

All my opinion of course, wow, pseudo-rant o_O
 nevaagin

Joined: 4/8/2009
Msg: 25
Words to The God!
Posted: 9/19/2009 3:59:21 PM
We cannot 'blame' God as we see him/her/it for anything bad or ascribe ultimate goodness to a God . What we do is what we do , we are responsible for the choices we make ,leading to a happy or unhappy outcome . I think it's infantile to kick the cat .Energy coursing thru us and around us is the only force that matters . There is an old book i have and can't find just now called "Blueprint for Immortality' by a professor Saxton-Burr . It was the first time I'd come across the fact of electrical force fields around every living thing . It unites every'created' thing . When people used to say to me "oh you can see they have great chemistry' , I used to substitute mentally the word 'electricity' for 'chemistry' and it explains so much . Now not being 'clever' , it also explains why I stop clocks [electric clocks] if I'm really upset and check the time . Or why I can make my daughter's cat's paw uncontollably twitch [and he loves it ] if I hover my hand around the paw .
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