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| What is going to happen to/in America?
Posted: 9/22/2009 8:49:00 PM | What do you guys think?
We're awfully polarized...the economy sucks.....some people actually think the world's going to end in 2012!
Seriously though....
When will we dig out of this rut? Five years? Ten? Maybe never?
Will we still be a super power, or is it all over now?
Will dollar hegemony continue?
Are we going to be like Britain...or Argentina?
Are we heading for some bad inflation?
Let's hear your thoughts and predictions.... | |
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| What is going to happen to/in America?
Posted: 9/22/2009 10:23:06 PM |
Personally, I'm hoping for the rapture . . . then I can have all their stuff and we can move on.
I haven't had a good rapture since I hooked up with that gymnast who had a penchant for farm-fresh vegetables while swinging on the uneven parallel bars.
I'll never be able to look at an eggplant in the same way again...... | |
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| What is going to happen to/in America?
Posted: 9/22/2009 10:36:27 PM | You know that time when at your job, for whatever the reason, that you are going to be unemployed by the end of the week? No one is openly admitting it, but you just know. Could be cuts and no one knows whose next, could be you bad mouthed the boss and it got back to him, could be they just eliminated your job because of a new system, as you watch a whole new area being created without explanation. But sure enough, at the end of the week, you are handed your last pay check and a box and told to leave the building quickly...
That is the week USA has been in for quite a while. There is no USA as any of us have known it. This ship has sunk. Get used to it. | |
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| What is going to happen to/in America?
Posted: 9/22/2009 10:49:48 PM | Just like every empire in the past america will dissolve and break up.
Too much money is being mismanaged and the infrastructure is falling apart.
Soon some states will start to try and separate.
This will be better for the rest of the world | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 12:50:12 AM | The revolutionary war, civil war, WW1, great Depression, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, JFK, MLK, 70s fuel shortage, cold war, we will drive on, adjust adapt and overcome.
Now the 2012 thing, read a whole scientific study on this and all the different cultures that have predicted this date. The science of it is that the Sun is supposed to align with the milky way causing some kind of magnetic interference with our solar system and the earth magnetics. They said this will cause a moon shift and it only takes the moon to move a few degrees to throw it all out of wack. If any part of this is true there isn't a damn thing we can do. | |
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| What is going to happen to/in America?
Posted: 9/23/2009 7:20:02 AM | given the state the country is in, I'd worry a lot more about making to 2010 than 2012.
I think the US is in transition. we have been a vibrant democracy expanding into an untapped land. now we've hit the end of that run and started to exhibit the tendencies of downward tilting republics. ill advised and expensive military expeditions, increasingly strident and bellicose foreign policy, lack of reinvestment in education and infrastructure, and worst of all a growing gap between the rich and the poor. (the kiss of death in any democracy)
assuming we can't get our shit together, get some military sanity going, stop the healthcare bleeeding, do more to stop the steadily increasing distance between the rich and the poor, stop letting our educational process slip and most of all, halt the deregulating of our financial sectors, my bet is the chinese economy will supersede ours as the default world currency and leading industrial power shortly.
gonna be ugly. | |
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| What is going to happen to/in America?
Posted: 9/23/2009 9:38:54 AM | About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new
Constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at
The University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot
Exist as a permanent form of government."
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that
Voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public
Treasury."
"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the
Candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with
The result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose
Fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
Beginning of history, has been about 200 years"
"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through
The following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
Democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already
Having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million
Criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say
Goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 9:51:55 AM | America lost its way a long time ago. Instead of looking after its own citizens it decided to police the world. Wrong move.
Gov't is way too big....it needs some serious cutbacks and some serious changes. It won't happen.
I can see a huge revival of state run religion...a religious oligarchy instead of what the Americans call gov't now.
Or a corporate run gov't...worse than what they have now.
Corporations have fogotten fords axiom...pay them enough to buy the products they are producing." Some car manufacturers already run deals for their employees...you see them every night on TV! So much a month lease for "qualified buyers or whatever...or this price for company employees....certainly not for the general public!
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| What is going to happen to/in America?
Posted: 9/23/2009 9:52:05 AM | I think if it gets bad enough, States will secede and prosper. Texas will probably be the first. Now some sage words from a Texan
So what does Texas have to do to survive as a Republic?
1. NASA is just south of Houston, Texas. (We will control the space industry.)
2. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States.
3. Defense Industry. (We have over 65% of it) The term "Don’t mess with Texas," will take on a whole new meaning.
4. Oil - we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need for the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that.
5. Natural Gas - Again we have all we need and it's too bad about those northern states. John Kerry will figure a way to keep them warm....
6. Computer Industry - we currently lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications: Small places like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD, Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball Semiconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, Alcatel, Etc, Etc. The list goes on and on.
7. Health Centers - We have the largest research centers for Cancer research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world and other large health planning centers.
8. We have enough colleges to keep us going: UT Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women's University, Ivy grows better in the south anyway
9. We have a ready supply of workers. (Just open the border when we need some)
10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc.
11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard and the Texas Air National Guard. We don't have an army but since everybody down here has at least six rifles and a pile of ammo, we can raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over a couple Texas Rangers.
12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several types of grain, fruit and vegetables and lets not forget seafood from the gulf. And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good. Don't need any food.
This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic Of Texas in good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't have. | |
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| What is going to happen to/in America?
Posted: 9/23/2009 9:54:23 AM | | Things will go back up. They went down, after having been back up, they went back down. Next they will go back up. And then after things have started looking up, and seeming to get better, and have gotten a whole lot better, and are better than ever, they will go back down again. Then after they have been down a while, up again they will go. When things are going up you can warn they will go back down, and when things are down you can remind they will go back up. I'd call it a cycle but since it's only been going on like this for all of human history, it's too soon to say for sure if it's just a fad or if some basic and persistent principle is at work. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 10:04:06 AM | | Pirateheaven, that is actually part of why I am contemplating moving back to TX. It is a republic and can leave any time it wants. Like I always say...I want to be on the winning side. | |
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| What is going to happen to/in America?
Posted: 9/23/2009 10:19:52 AM |
every democracy will finally collapse due to loose
Fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
Beginning of history, has been about 200 years"
"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through
The following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
Democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already
Having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
This is the smartest thing I have ever read and exactly what I believe, I just couldn't word it as well and do not have the polisci degree to back it up. Not that that is needed to know a thing or two. I will have to read up on this guy.
Thanks,
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Posted: 9/23/2009 10:41:30 AM | I think if it gets bad enough, States will secede and prosper. Texas will probably be the first. Now some sage words from a Texan
So what does Texas have to do to survive as a Republic?
1. NASA is just south of Houston, Texas. (We will control the space industry.)
2. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States.
3. Defense Industry. (We have over 65% of it) The term "Don’t mess with Texas," will take on a whole new meaning.
4. Oil - we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need for the next 300 years. Yankee states? Sorry about that.
5. Natural Gas - Again we have all we need and it's too bad about those northern states. John Kerry will figure a way to keep them warm....
6. Computer Industry - we currently lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications: Small places like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD, Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball Semiconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, Alcatel, Etc, Etc. The list goes on and on.
7. Health Centers - We have the largest research centers for Cancer research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world and other large health planning centers.
8. We have enough colleges to keep us going: UT Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women's University, Ivy grows better in the south anyway
9. We have a ready supply of workers. (Just open the border when we need some)
10. We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc.
11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard and the Texas Air National Guard. We don't have an army but since everybody down here has at least six rifles and a pile of ammo, we can raise an army in 24 hours if we need it. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over a couple Texas Rangers.
12. We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and several types of grain, fruit and vegetables and lets not forget seafood from the gulf. And everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good. Don't need any food.
This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic Of Texas in good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't have.
Amen brother! I 100% agree. I am a Texan born and raised, used to teach Texas History. I have said for a long time that Texas would and should secede if the need should arise. Texas has a lot more things that you didn't mention too.
We still (we...and I am in Michigan. Can't take the Texas out of the girl) still have the most abundant and diverse wild game available.
We not only have salt from the ocean, we have an almost state sized salt dome.
We have wild prairie chickens. No, the chicken industry isn't going to collapse. The point is, if there was a bird flu to wipe them out or if things on Easrth did degrade unimaginaeably, there are enough natural resources still going strong in Texas to survive like the pioneers did if all technology were to cease. Not that I think that would happen, but in case of invasion...who knows.
The longhorn was roaming wild there for a few hundred years between the Spanish leaving them and Texas being settled and they are still a species able to survive the hardest conditions.
We have huge numbers of wild boar.
Wild grapes, berries and sugar cane are very very important for the difference in just surviving and thriving again if the unimagable should happen. Texas has plenty. On the wild grape is where cream-of-tartar forms andthat is as good as baking powder.
Texas has, I believe but not totally up on it, the largest and most thriving variety of heat adapted cereal grains in the world. We would survive and thrive. Not to mention the largest rice industry east of China and India.
Texas is adaptable. Camels have been used instead of horses when needed.
There is a large number of under ground aquifers and caves.
Texas has been known far and wide for it's wise and effective businessmen and women and politicians. No, George Bush is NOT a Texan. They just knew the state to move him into so he could gain clout. REPEAT He is NOT a TEXAN.
We have Ross Perot, for a little while longer, but he has children. We also have Kinky Friedman LOL  I think he is channelling Anne Richards 
Texas would survive no matter what and I think we will see the rise of the Republic of Texas once more. I have been feeling a strong call to go back to Texas. Maybe this is why, what I know. It just feels safer. DO we have any ICBM installations there??? We better get some and AICBM's
It is just so danged hot.
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Posted: 9/23/2009 10:55:45 AM | Democratic Republic, people just shorten it. Most people couldn't tell you the difference between a true democracy and a republic. America has a very uniformed public. I saw a Man on the street show during the last election, out of 50 people 40 of them thought Sarah Palin was Obama's VP candidate, they didn't know the difference between Dem or Republican and couldn't tell the interviewer which party controlled congress.
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Posted: 9/23/2009 12:07:20 PM | Yes, technically it is a (liberal) republic with (indirect) democratic election of its leader by the people. What will happen to it? IMO, probably not much within most or all of our lifetimes. Nothing will drastically change , I mean to the extent of.... (another) civil war, secessions of states, the dissolution of the union, etc. I don't think things like that are really that much in our immediate futures. The domestic economy will likely come back , to an extent. Inflation? Probably...they are saying yes. The deficit will be large and will continue to grow obviously (it's already unpayable; why stop spending now?). The country will likely remain polarized (it now has a culture of polarity IMO, with some sectors of the MainStreamMedia definitely feeding off of it and/or encouraging it). It might become even more so by the time the Obama presidency has ended, especially if he's a two-termer. Look he's only 7 or 8 mths in and the anti-Obama sector is already barking mad. We may see the growth of more viable grassroots third-party (or maybe even fourth-party) movements, but whether the MainStreamMedia will effectively let them compete fair-and-square is another story.
US global economic hegemony however will be (has been?) lost. Not sure about whether or not the dollar will remain prime currency or not. Where is more economic power going in the future? I'm not sure but IMO it is moving east (China, to name a prime contender I think). Military superpower status will probably be maintained at least to an extent due to the immense defense spending if nothing else, the "military-industrial complex", etc. Think of how Russia is now for instance; it's no longer the fearsome "Russian bear", the USSR, but it's still nonetheless a force to be reckoned with and considered. That may be how the US is looked at years down the road.
There will probably (unfortunately) be some type of American troop presence in for example Iraq and Afghanistan for quite some time. I do not think they will undertake any more new invasions in the manner of Iraq or Afghanistan , in the near future, due if nothing else to the difficulties (and expenses) they have surely now realized come along with trying to occupy and pacify these places, and also due simply to lack of available money and troops (barring a draft which I also don't think they'll do). | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 12:23:02 PM |
China, to name a prime contender I think
You are right about this, China is buying up natural resources in Africa and South America at record rates. America is vilified for doing the same thing in the past as raping the worlds resources, just wish China was held to the same standard. China's government or American Corporations, different side of the same coin. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 12:34:03 PM | No, George Bush is NOT a Texan. They just knew the state to move him into so he could gain clout. REPEAT He is NOT a TEXAN.
^^ He's not by birth, I know, but he's certainly rather adopted it hasn't he? I think he claims it. He never seemed to refer to his real birthplace or his actual "culture" by birth (which was more like East Coast WASP blueblood really). I mean, he's got the Texan dress, the talk, the accent, everything. So do many Texans view him nonetheless as sort of a 'foreign-born', a "Yankee" :) (as in, not truly Texan , or ?).
And if Texas wants out, and I'm not trying to be smart or start a fight here, I'm just seriously asking, how big is this kind of movement there? How serious are they? And if they have the numbers , then....what's stopping them? You know how they used to tell people who didn't like the Bush admin, "love it or leave it"? What is actually stopping Texas now then, from ....well, "leaving it", I guess ? Personally I would think it's a fringe movement down there, at best, but then I can't say, I've never even been there and I don't believe I know any Texans.
China's government or American Corporations, different side of the same coin.
^^ I agree.
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| What is going to happen to/in America?
Posted: 9/23/2009 12:44:45 PM | As a side note, how do you think the EU will do?
will the main countries continue to prosper? UK, Germany, France, Italy..
What will the relationship with the US be like? Nato.
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Posted: 9/23/2009 1:11:33 PM | Bush was the Governor of Texas. 1995-2000. That, and his residency in Texas, and his being a citizen of Texas. And he had a cowboy hat. He lives there now between Waco and Gatesville, which I'm not sure why but I find highly ironic. Something about straddling the divide between a prison and the birthplace of Dr. Pepper, I suppose. Oh yes, and that other thing that happened at Waco: The Snickers Bar. It all adds up to Texan.
We could divide up into 50 separate states and let the territories fend for themselves. The District of Columbia could be given back to Columbia proper. Why they gave it up in the first place is puzzling.
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| What is going to happen to/in America?
Posted: 9/23/2009 1:11:46 PM | You are right about this, China is buying up natural resources in Africa and South America at record rates. America is vilified for doing the same thing in the past as raping the worlds resources, just wish China was held to the same standard. China's government or American Corporations, different side of the same coin.
Because it's Americans themselves pissing in their own cheerios for the most part. | |
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