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 Ismene2

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Posted: 9/24/2009 2:16:59 PM


Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:01am BST
By Sylvia Westall
VIENNA (Reuters) - Homophobia is damaging people's health and careers across Europe and the problem may be worse than reported because victims are scared to draw attention to themselves for fear of a backlash, an EU study said.

The European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights said police in most countries were incapable of dealing with homophobic crime -- ranging from verbal abuse to deadly attacks -- and said many governments and schools failed to take it seriously enough.

This creates a vicious circle, with victims preferring to remain "invisible" rather than being open about their sexual orientation or reporting abuse to authorities, the study showed.

"From their early years, the derogative words used for gays and lesbians at schools teach them to remain invisible," said the study, published on Tuesday.

"They often experience harassment and discrimination in the workplace (and) in many countries they cannot secure their relationships to one another as legal partners."

The study recommended anonymous reporting of homophobic crime to combat the problem, highlighting pilot projects in the Netherlands, Denmark and Slovenia as good examples.

Some serious cases of discrimination involved asylum authorities, with people denied refuge because officials did not believe they were fleeing persecution due to their sexuality.

In terms of health care, discrimination can mean people avoid seeking help and in some cases were treated as if their sexual orientation were a "disturbance or sickness."

EAST MORE HOSTILE

The report, which brought together research from 27 countries, said over half of EU citizens thought discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation was widespread in their country.

Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Poland and Romania were singled out for being hostile towards "gay pride" rallies and people from countries in the region were generally less comfortable with having a homosexual as a neighbour, for example.

Only three EU states -- Belgium, the Netherlands and Spain -- gave full marriage rights to lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, transsexuals and transgender people, while most of the other countries do not award any rights at all.


My question is, why do you think it is so difficult for homosexuality to be accepted around the world? My direct observations and experience is that Europe is probably the most socially progressive place on Earth, and yet homosexuality is not accepted here. Is this problem related to religion, culture, xenophobia, what?
 AppleGeek

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Posted: 9/24/2009 4:43:55 PM
I'd like to point out the bias in your post so that at least your aware of it.
why do you think it is so difficult for homosexuality to be accepted around the world
You're assuming homosexuality is acceptable. Why didn't you ask "Is homosexuality acceptable?" "Should it be acceptable." "What factors influence the acceptance of homosexuality."
 msquared

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Posted: 9/24/2009 9:06:16 PM

You're assuming homosexuality is acceptable.


I don't see any logical reason why it shouldn't be acceptable. They are no better or worse than any other group of people.
 cotter

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Posted: 9/24/2009 9:12:35 PM
I've lived in Europe (for 10 years) and I don't think it's xenophobia. I don't think it's a religious thing either. I think it's "culture". Where the Europeans can be very open about some things (nudity ... no inhibitions there at all), they are so close-minded about other things that it is phenomenal.

Still, I'd rather go up against the Europeans (any day) when it comes to homophobia than the Americans ... most profoundly the Rednecks that I have encountered most recently in the deep south. Now that's just outright scary. They can be really scary ... at least the ones that lived in my immediate area. They are "gun-toters". If they don't like what you're up to ... they have no qualms about just blowing you away.

Ya ... I'd say the "southerners" are way more homophobic than the Eastern Europeans.
 mungojoe

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Posted: 9/26/2009 8:35:47 AM

I'd like to point out the bias in your post so that at least your aware of it.
why do you think it is so difficult for homosexuality to be accepted around the world
You're assuming homosexuality is acceptable. Why didn't you ask "Is homosexuality acceptable?" "Should it be acceptable." "What factors influence the acceptance of homosexuality."

Whose statement shows bias...?

Why should "is homosexuality acceptable" be the question at hand?

Is that not the same as asking "is being (nationality) acceptable", "is being (gender) acceptable" or "is being (race) acceptable"?
 Ismene2

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Posted: 9/26/2009 8:47:28 AM
Why didn't you ask "Is homosexuality acceptable?" "Should it be acceptable."
That would be a different thread, a different topic. In fact, I think there is a thead currently running on just that question. Why don't you do a thread search?


"What factors influence the acceptance of homosexuality."
Actually, I am asking this.
 cpfstock

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Posted: 9/29/2009 10:45:08 AM
Well since you had to ask. Acceptance of homosexuality is reluctant at best because deep down most people know the practice is a behavior produced by a perverted mind.
 Ismene2

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Posted: 9/29/2009 10:50:06 AM

Well since you had to ask. Acceptance of homosexuality is reluctant at best because deep down most people know the practice is a behavior produced by a perverted mind.
Current scientific study indicates it is genetic.
 cotter

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Posted: 9/29/2009 1:17:05 PM

... because deep down most people know the practice is a behavior produced by a perverted mind.
A "behavior" produced by a "perverted mind"?

Perverted" … distorted … tainted … contaminated … infected … polluted … fouled … corrupted. Is that the same thing as some sort of "sickness"? Do Alcoholics have a "perverted mind"? What about Bi-polar people ... are their minds "perverted"?

Or is that the same thing as something that we have to jail people for. Do rapists have a "perverted mind"? Do killers have a "perverted" mind? Do thieves have a "perverted" mind?

Current scientific study indicates it is genetic.
Yes I saw several websites with the research. It's quite interesting.

OT ...
I think it's a matter of understanding something. I think people have a tendency to be frightened by things they don't understand.

Apparently there are open-minded people who are at least willing to "think" about theories that are out there. And those would be progressive people ... no doubt educated and able to think for themselves ... not dependent on fear mongers to keep them informed.

Then there are the poor souls who can only believe what others of influence tell them ... the ministers, the close-minded. Those would be the people who are most under the influence of the fear mongers and basically just aren't capable of thinking for themselves ... eh?
 kabiosile

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Posted: 9/30/2009 3:39:08 PM


My question is, why do you think it is so difficult for homosexuality to be accepted around the world?

Simple answer, ignorance and bigotry.
 scorpiomover

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Posted: 10/2/2009 12:12:06 PM
Fear and lack of tolerance.

Many guys fear being hit on. I've met lots of gays and had lots of gay friends. Many have hit on me, quite forcefully. That enforces the fear.

Fear makes people lash out.
 Ismene2

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Posted: 10/2/2009 12:59:28 PM

Many guys fear being hit on. I've met lots of gays and had lots of gay friends. Many have hit on me, quite forcefully. That enforces the fear.

Fear makes people lash out.
Must be testosterone, that agressiveness. I've never been 'hit on' by a lesbian, and have known, socialized and worked with them often, probably more than I know, because I wouldn't be paying much attention if someone is or is not. So, your point can have something to do with some men being homophobic, but I don't think it answers the whole problem of homophobia.
 kabiosile

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Posted: 10/2/2009 1:17:10 PM
I dont think it answer the questions either. I have been hit on by a guy before but, that is because I was in a place that most of the people there were gay. I did not take offense, I said hey man thanks for the compliment but, I am straight thanks. He smiled and said no problem and that was that. It is not so difficult. It is no big deal!

If someone hits on you it is a compliment not an insult. Just let them know you are not interested it really is that simple.
 AppleGeek

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Posted: 10/5/2009 3:36:43 PM


"What factors influence the acceptance of homosexuality."

Actually, I am asking this.

No your asking why people, who are wrong, aren't accepting of it.

Is this problem related to religion, culture, xenophobia, what?

And the answer is yes. Each and every one of these is a reason against it.
 msquared

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Posted: 10/5/2009 10:44:21 PM

Each and every one of these is a reason against it.


Each and every one of these has reasons against many types of people. That doesn't make them right.
 AppleGeek

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Posted: 10/6/2009 4:20:22 PM

That doesn't make them right.

I didn't say they were right. I didn't say they were wrong either.

I'm anti-smoking. Even before it became PC to be so. Does that make me right or wrong? Or does it simply mean that cigarette smoke makes me cough and my eyes water.

Everything is proper behavior to someone. And someone else thinks it isn't. You can't please everyone. There's a difference between tolerance and acceptance. I tolerate people who wear their pants around their knees. (Mostly so I can laugh at them.)
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