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 EarlzP

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Posted: 9/30/2009 4:11:38 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/growing-momentum-for-publ_b_303415.html

This is exactly what we need, I think that President Obama should have authored this reform act and puhed it through in any way available to him including reconcilation


In a surprising vote Tuesday, ten Democrats voted to add a public option to the most conservative of the five health insurance reform bills working their way through Congress. That's just two votes short of passage.

This robust support for the public option -- in what most observers consider the most conservative committee in the Senate -- signals a sea change in Congressional opinion toward the public option. The odds are now very high that some form of public health insurance option will be included on the final bill when it emerges from a House-Senate Conference Committee later this fall and is ultimately passed by Congress.

The three bills that have passed House Committees, and the Senate Health Committee bill, all contain a public option. And increasingly it appears that the strongest form of public option will come out of the House.

In the midst of the right-wing, town hall onslaught last August, the pundits -- public option opponents -- all but declared a public option dead and buried. This narrative was amplified by the private insurance industry that doesn't want to compete against a not-for-profit public health insurance program focused on providing health insurance instead of maximizing the ever-ballooning profits of Wall Street investors and the salaries of CEOs that take home tens of millions.


The big private insurance companies don't want to change the status quo that has allowed a few big players to corner the market in most markets. An AMA survey, released in late January, gives a score gauging the concentration of the commercial market for 314 metropolitan statistical areas. The report showed 94% had commercial markets that were "highly concentrated" by standards set by the Federal Trade Commission and Justice Department.

A Robert Woods Johnson Report indicates that over the last ten years wages have gone up 29%, health insurance rates have gone up 120% and the profits of the private health insurance industry have gone up 428%. No wonder they don't want competition.

So why the resurgent Congressional support for a strong public option? There are three reasons:

1) First and foremost, voters' support for a public health insurance option is as strong as ever. All of the right-wing talk about a "government takeover" has not fooled voters who are forced every day to deal with the stranglehold that the private insurance industry has on their health care.

Last weekend's New York Times poll showed that 65% of all voters support giving Americans the choice of a public option and only 26% oppose it.

More importantly, the public option is also popular in swing Congressional districts. The firm of Anzeloni Liszt just released the results of a poll it conducted in 91 Blue Dog, Rural Caucus and Frontline districts. The poll found that 54% of the voters in these battleground districts support the choice of a public option.

And the poll also found that the voters in these districts want reform and want it this year. The polling report says:

Overall, 58% of voters believe the health care system is in need of major reform or a complete overhaul, and almost 59% are concerned that Congress will not take action on health care reform this year. The risks of inaction to Democrats in swing districts increases if voters perceive opposition stems from ties to the insurance industry, as 74% are concerned that the health insurance industry will have too much influence over reform.

Those kinds of polling results get the attention of Members of Congress.

2) Members of Congress have begun to realize that they will have to live with the consequences of what they pass for years to come. And what the voters will care about in the future will not be slogans or ideology. Once the program is passed, the voters will care most about one thing: affordability.

All of the health insurance reform bills contain mandates that every American buy health insurance or pay a fine. All the bills allow relief for hardship cases, but most people -- or their companies -- will have to buy health insurance.

Members of Congress are beginning to realize that if they are requiring the voters to buy insurance, it has to be affordable. The public option is an extremely powerful tool to assure affordability.

First, its presence in the market place will drive down the prices of premiums for private insurance. That, of course, is why the private insurance companies hate it. Insurance companies aren't seriously worried they will be forced out of business. They just don't want to cut their prices and profits.

Second, the Congressional Budget Office has found that it will save the Government huge amounts in subsidy monies that it would otherwise have to pay to make more expensive for-profit plans affordable. The most robust version of the public option saves over $100 billion over ten years.

If you don't have a public option, Congress' only choice is either to cut subsidies that are the major means of providing affordability -- or they must raise more revenues. Given the massive need for affordability, and reluctance of many to raise taxes, the public option is looking better and better to many swing Democrats.

3) Finally, they have begun to realize that the public option helps protect them from potential political harm when they vote to support a health insurance mandate. Anzeloni and Liszt make clear in their polling report that in swing districts:

It's wrong to think about the public option in isolation from other elements of reform. Forcing an individual mandate without a public option is a clear political loser (34% Favor / 60% Oppose), and only becomes more palatable when a public option is offered in competition with the private sector (50% Favor / 46% Oppose)

Turns out that a public option provides a political inoculation against backlash to a mandate. That's because people have no stomach for being herded into the arms of private insurance industry like sheep to the slaughter. They want to know that if the government is going to require them to get health insurance, that it also provides the choice of a not-for-profit public plan -- that they are not left at the mercy of private insurance CEOs.

Here's the bottom line: the odds are better by the day that before the holidays President Obama will sign a health insurance reform bill that for the first time provides Americans universal health insurance coverage -- and includes the choice of a robust public option.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/growing-momentum-for-publ_b_303415.html
 applesn2pie

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Posted: 9/30/2009 5:18:28 AM
This is a singles dating site. Couldn't you find a related site to post this?
 msquared

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Posted: 9/30/2009 6:03:17 AM
This is a singles dating site. Couldn't you find a related site to post this?


This, being the politics forum, is an appropriate place to post this thread. There is also no reason it should be deleted, other than sour grapes.
 etourdi77

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Posted: 9/30/2009 7:26:38 AM
An article in the Huffington Post and a poll conducted by one of the most left leaning news papers is not very persuasive. They polled 1,024 adults by phone there is no break down of the demographics for all we know they could have called all Democrats.
From the same poll-
do you understand the health care reforms under consideration in congress or are they confusing to you?
37%understand 59%confusing
 Goldee12

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Posted: 9/30/2009 7:56:01 AM
So etourdi77, are you saying you don't approve of a public option?

I've worked for the same company 22 years now and make $10k less a year because my company pays that amount for my healthcare. My pay hasn't gone up for at least 5 years now, but the amount I pay in my paycheck for healthcare always does.

Maybe you (etourdi77) aren't having these problems, but a very large amount of Americans are.

You should sit down and watch Michael Moore's "Sicko" , believe me it's an eye opener.

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 etourdi77

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Posted: 9/30/2009 8:06:49 AM
I am for health care reform, a public option will fair no better than medicaid or medicare..we need to reform the industry and make them more efficient and cost effective.
 Acoustic-Blues

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Posted: 9/30/2009 8:23:41 AM
Public option will not pass at this time. Too many blue dogs won't go along for the ride. If it is truly possible for Obama to reduce health care costs by streamlining the system as he claims he should push to have those implemented first along with a little tort reform. Then if that actually works, he will have no problem getting a public option passed. Something tells me they won't take that approach because it's BS.
 Dasein2

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Posted: 9/30/2009 9:54:49 AM
Actually the Blue Dogs are now getting in line for the public option now that the CBO has said that it will save American taxpayers $85 billion dollars compared to not having one.



CBO: A Strong Public Plan Saves Lots of Money
According to Congress Daily, the CBO says attaching the public plan to Medicare rates will save even more money than originally thought:

In a bid to wrangle concessions from the Blue Dog Coalition on healthcare reform, House leaders Thursday released CBO estimates for liberals' preferred version of the public option that show $85 billion more in savings than for the version the Blue Dogs prefer.

Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, D-S.D., a Blue Dog co-chair, said any possible new momentum toward a public option tethered to Medicare rates is, in part, "because of the cost issue" and the updated CBO score.

The original House bill required the public plan to pay providers 5 percent more than Medicare reimbursement rates. But as part of a package of concessions to Blue Dogs, the House Energy and Commerce Committee accepted an amendment that requires the HHS Secretary to negotiate rates with providers. That version of the plan will save only $25 billion.

In total, a public plan based on Medicare rates would save $110 billion over 10 years. That is $20 billion more than earlier estimates, a spokesman for House Speaker Pelosi said.


In other words, the conservatives want to spend $85 billion more than the liberals do. Moreover, the CBO is estimating savings to the government. That is to say, the $85 billion reflects reduced federal spending on subsidies because premiums in the public plan will be lower. Savings to individuals and businesses paying lower premiums will be much larger than $85 billion, and politically, much more important.



http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/09/cbo_a_strong_public_plan_saves.html
 cpfstock

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Posted: 10/2/2009 7:02:21 AM

The big private insurance companies don't want to change the status quo that has allowed a few big players to corner the market in most markets. An AMA survey, released in late January, gives a score gauging the concentration of the commercial market for 314 metropolitan statistical areas. The report showed 94% had commercial markets that were "highly concentrated" by standards set by the Federal Trade Commission and Justice Department.


So repel the federal law which allows each state to restrict access to their markets. The one fact most people engaged in this debate forget is a large percentage of "insurance companies" revenues come not from selling insurance, but from managing ERISA plans which are self-funded by individual companies.

WE need a public option to compete with the insurance companies is one of the big lies being told in this whole debate.
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 10/2/2009 11:54:59 AM
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So repel the federal law which allows each state to restrict access to their markets.



You think so????

You are saying repeal he 1945 McCarran-Ferguson Act.........?


You really think that will happen?

Leahy introduced the Health Insurance Industry Antitrust Enforcement Act to repeal the antitrust exemption that was established in the 1945 McCarran-Ferguson Act.

..........1945 McCarran-Ferguson Act is a federal antitrust exemption for health insurance and medical malpractice insurance companies for flagrant antitrust violations, including price-fixing, bid rigging, and market allocations,


Price fixing?

Bid Rigging?

Divide the market?

Exempt from any anti trust?





The two key provisions of the Health Insurance Industry Antitrust Enforcement Act will repeal the federal antitrust exemption for health insurance and medical malpractice insurance companies for flagrant antitrust violations, including price-fixing, bid rigging, and market allocations, and subject health insurers and medical malpractice insurers to the same good-competition laws that apply to virtually every other company doing business in the United States.
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200909/091709a.html#statement



You think a law that allows a business to Gouge, Price Fix, Bid rig, Is going to be repealed?

How many Billions do they have to spend?

How would opening the market, no state boundaries create Completion????

The Fed's cannot interfere with any state Regulation.... How did that work for Credit Cards...

The consolidation has created a carte.....Phoebus cartel ...

We are watching a Wall Street melt down....

The Public option is the only hope...

Other wise we are going to give the Sharks $60-85 Billion and 30 million forced customers....

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 CountIbli

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Posted: 10/4/2009 10:13:31 PM
Health insurance companies operate at a 3-4% profit margin. It won't take much government pressure at all to put them out of business. I suppose that's what the socialists ultimately want anyway.

I wonder, who's going to pay for the public option? I know, I know, the government is going to stick it to the rich. Only problem is that the tax burden has been steadily shifting away from the rich and on to the middle class.
 Dasein2

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Posted: 10/5/2009 4:45:13 PM

So repel the federal law which allows each state to restrict access to their markets.


Aren't conservatives supposed to be PRO state's rights??
 laxref41

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Posted: 10/6/2009 6:53:41 AM
"Health insurance companies operate at a 3-4% profit margin."

3% - 4% NET profit margin... which is typical of many, many, many companies.

There needs to be a public option to provide a low level of care... but nonetheless some measure of care... for a low price. This will put a downward pressure on healthcare costs. The wealthy can always have their better level of care for a higher price.
You can rent a better car with better service from hertz or avis or you can rent a wreck.
You can send your children to a costly private school for a better education or you can send your children to public school.
The public option is just that... a low cost, lower level of service option.
The public option has never ever been proposed as FREE... as many conservatives would like to try to make you believe. When you hear those opinions, you know you're listening to the gargling and regurgitation of the holy water gospel preached by their talk show heroes.
 killene

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Posted: 10/6/2009 7:09:05 PM
Looks like the WH stocked up on white lab coats for Obama's speech to the doctors. Seems just having some doctors take time out was not enough. The WH insisted they be in lab coats for the photo opts, even going as far as suppying them.
Guess Obama will do anything for his precious Public Option and Health Care Reform mess



The physicians, all invited guests, were told to bring their white lab coats to make sure that TV cameras captured the image.

But some docs apparently forgot, failing to meet the White House dress code by showing up in business suits or dresses.

So the White House rustled up white coats for them and handed them to the suited physicians who had taken seats in the sun-splashed lawn area.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/tricky_doctored_photo_kTVWHZ3vEeRQbxCC0TNZHN
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 10/6/2009 7:35:58 PM
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....The W/H did not furnish the lab coats.



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 EarlzP

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Posted: 10/6/2009 7:47:14 PM

The physicians, all invited guests, were told to bring their white lab coats to make sure that TV cameras captured the image.

But some docs apparently forgot, failing to meet the White House dress code by showing up in business suits or dresses.

So the White House rustled up white coats for them and handed them to the suited physicians who had taken seats in the sun-splashed lawn area.


Must have worked look at these job approval numbers from real clear politics

President Obama Job Approval
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Approve Disapprove Spread
RCP Average 9/17 - 10/5 -- 51.6 41.6 +10.0
Gallup 10/3 - 10/5 1547 A 50 43 +7
Rasmussen Reports 10/3 - 10/5 1500 LV 51 49 +2
FOX News 9/29 - 9/30 900 RV 50 42 +8
CBS News/NY Times 9/19 - 9/23 1042 A 56 33 +23
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 9/17 - 9/20 1005 A 51 41 +10
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 10/7/2009 11:36:27 AM
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The extra lab coats were furnished by Doctors for America (DFA)..............


Bet the Murduck NY Post will correct ..... Is this all they have?

Remember the GOP Public Option don't get sick..... die....



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 cotter

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Posted: 10/8/2009 9:13:15 AM
OP ... I'd rather see single payer, but will definitely settle for public option if we can get that.

Pelosi said she will not let it out of the House without the public option ... GO NANCY!!!!!
 etourdi77

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Posted: 10/8/2009 9:30:29 AM
Its funny how Liberals changes the names of things to make them more palatable, for instance Pro-choice=for abortion another example of this is Public option- sounds great an option for the public but what does it really mean? We should call it what it really is Government Run universal Health Care,,,,,,
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 10/8/2009 9:40:58 AM
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Public option- sounds great an option for the public but what does it really mean? We should call it what it really is Government Run universal Health Care,,,,,,



That scares the crap out of me.....


Now about the Neo-con/GOP use proper names...


Medicare .......... SINGLE PAYER


VA............ SOCIALIZED MEDICINE


The GOP wants to raise Medicare age to 70 years old.... thats a great fix,,,
 Goldee12

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Posted: 10/8/2009 9:42:24 AM
etourdi77 , you make that sound like a bad thing. I'd take "Government Run Universal Health Care" in a second!

Another thing I'd like to point out, just because someone is pro-choice doesn't mean they are all running out and getting abortions.
I'm pro-choice but have never had an abortion, just ask my 3 kids!
Pro-choice just means that you have a right to say what and how you take care of "YOUR OWN" body! No one else should have that right, but anyway there are people saying that President Obama's health reform would have our government paying for abortions. I don't know where this is coming from, private insurance doesn't cover them, so why would people think that the gov is going to???

Peace,
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 cotter

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Posted: 10/8/2009 10:16:43 AM

Public option- sounds great an option for the public but what does it really mean? We should call it what it really is Government Run universal Health Care
Anyone who has a problem with government-run universal health care better start saving their pennies now ... because then they might be able to afford private health care when it's time to sign up for Medicare ... which is run by the government and I have yet to hear anyone on Medicare complain that they have health care!!!

What surprises me are the people who have no problem spending trillions on some war (or as some call it "nation building") that is getting us nothing but a bunch of dead or maimed and mutilated soldiers but can't bring themselves to help their own people here at home.

Well, maybe that shouldn't surprise me ... what's the difference? Dead soldiers or dead Americans who are dying because they don't have insurance. We lose over 120 people per day because they don't have insurance. It's over 45,000 people a year.

I wonder what tune those people would be singing if they lost 120 of their relatives for no other reason but that they don't have insurance to help keep them alive. Got breast cancer or colon cancer or prostate cancer? Too damn bad ... we can't treat you because you don't have insurance. What did you say? Your kidneys are failing and you need dialysis? Too damn bad ... we can't treat you because you don't have insurance. What? Your insides are dropping out and you need a hysterectomy? Too damn bad ... we can't treat you because you don't have insurance ... just shove it all back up inside and keep going.

And one thing is for sure, it's not the legal refugee immigrants ... they're all on Medicaid. They get unlimited free medical benefits that our own American citizens don't qualify for. People don't seem to be concerned that these people on Medicaid are people who never ever work or pay taxes and get all the amenities that our own citizens can't get.

Government-run universal health care ... I had socialized medicine for 10 years while living in Germany and we did not ever have a problem getting all the medical help we needed. We should be so lucky to get something like that here.

Seems to me ANY health care is better than none and being reduced to having to live on the street. Even all the refugees we take in every year aren't reduced to living on the streets and dying without any kind of health insurance. Why can't we provide the same for our citizens?
 CountIbli

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Posted: 10/18/2009 6:24:41 PM


Anyone who has a problem with government-run universal health care better start saving their pennies now ... because then they might be able to afford private health care when it's time to sign up for Medicare ... which is run by the government and I have yet to hear anyone on Medicare complain that they have health care!!!


Medicare and Medicaid are going to be insolvent within the next couple of decades. You're right, we all need to start saving our pennies because these programs won't exist when we need them.
 etourdi77

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Posted: 10/18/2009 9:29:04 PM

We lose over 120 people per day because they don't have insurance. It's over 45,000 people a year.

"Steffie "Woolhandler, study co-author, professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, and a primary care physician at Cambridge Health Alliance, noted: “Historically, every other developed nation has achieved universal health care through some form of nonprofit national health insurance. Our failure to do so means that all Americans pay higher health care costs, and 45,000 pay with their lives.”"

A co-founder of PNHP-Physicians for a National Health Program

The study was done by a pro Health Care reform advocate ....
the study is also 9 years old..
It doesn't indicate how lack of Insurance allegedly caused these deaths..
 killene

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Posted: 10/28/2009 11:09:54 PM
Msg 19 said (Its funny how Liberals changes the names of things to make them more palatable, for instance Pro-choice=for abortion another example of this is Public option- sounds great an option for the public but what does it really mean? We should call it what it really is Government Run universal Health Care)

Apparently Nancy wants to change Reid's new proposal so that the public won't know its Public Option and will go for it.

What is really interesting is how Reid's new proposal has turned away more votes for the bill.

Maybe Reid should have left the mess alone for now it looks like it's going to be "Public Option Sick and Dying".
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