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Posted: 10/2/2009 5:35:58 AM | I was asked this question and did not know the answer.
If you are thrown out trying to stretch a single into a double youare not awarded a hit?
What about a pitcher throwing a perfect game? Would the out at second still allow for the pitcher to be eligible for a perfect game? | |
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Posted: 10/2/2009 5:47:31 AM | | It is still counted as a hit, and the pitcher is no longer eligible for a no-hitter or perfect game. Still gets the complete game/shutout, though, which is nothing to sneeze at. | |
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Posted: 10/2/2009 6:33:29 AM | | Well then are you awarded a single as a batter? | |
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Posted: 10/2/2009 10:53:32 AM | Interesting question.
I'm not an expert (or even a talented amateur) at scoring baseball, but I can add a few points:
- if the ball is hit but the throw to 1st is bad (overthrown, for instance) and the batter gets to 1st and then moves on to 2nd on the overthrow, then I know it is scored as a single and an error.
- if a runner reaches 1st base because of a 'fielder's choice' (the frielder choses to throw elsewhere to make a play), then it does NOT count as a hit but does count as 'on base'. I don't know how a double on a fielder's choice is scored, but I suspect it is the same as a single on a fielder's choice.
- again, I'm not an expert, but in the situation of a runner getting tagged out at 2nd while trying to stretch a single into a double, I find it hard to believe that it would be counted as a hit. How would it be scored? A single and an error? A single followed by a put out (all on the same at-bat)? I'm inclined to think that it would simply be scored an out.
- the earlier suggestion raises a further question: if a runner getting thrown out at 2nd while trying to stretch a single into a double is counted as a hit (and a what?), how about someone going for a triple? If he fails, is that a double and an out? Or does a failed inside the park home run attempt become a triple?
As for the pitcher, ANY hit (a real hit or our supposed 'failed-double') - for that matter, ANY man on base - will nullify a perfect game. If the runner reaches on a walk or an error, then the pitcher may still get a no-hitter (yes, I do believe it is technically possible to *lose* a no-hitter).
(Next time you attend a MLB game (or even a minor league game) you can buy a score card/program to score the game yourself. They often have 'how to' instructions and example scorings.) | |
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Posted: 10/2/2009 10:59:33 AM | the ball is hit but the throw to 1st is bad (overthrown, for instance) and the batter gets to 1st and then moves on to 2nd on the overthrow, then I know it is scored as a single and an error.
this is not right, it would be a 2base error, it wouldnt be a single and a error. the batter wouldnt get credit for a single for the overthrow. now i think the judge has some leeway if the runner was going to b safe anyway, then they might get the single, but most times on a bad throw its only a error not a hit. | |
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| Baseball Question - singles, double and errors
Posted: 10/2/2009 11:10:59 AM |
this is not right, it would be a 2base error, it wouldnt be a single and a error. the batter wouldnt get credit for a single for the overthrow. now i think the judge has some leeway if the runner was going to b safe anyway, then they might get the single, but most times on a bad throw its only a error not a hit. You may have a point there. If the official scorer decided that the runner would have been safe at first even if the throw was good, then he would probably score it a single and an error. If the official scorer thought that the runner would have been out had the throw been ok, then he would have ruled it simply an error. | |
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Posted: 10/2/2009 11:12:18 AM | The ball can be hit deep enough to the outfield for a single but the outfielder and the runner tries to stretch it to a double but gets thrown out at second it's still a single. Or the ball can be hit shallow to the outfield the runner tries to stretch it to a double and gets thrown out it's still a single....Several scenarios can occur that limits the runner to a single.....
the ball is hit but the throw to 1st is bad (overthrown, for instance) and the batter gets to 1st and then moves on to 2nd on the overthrow, then I know it is scored as a single and an error.
Safe on an error!
There can be a hit and error that could allow the runner to advance to second.. if the runner beats the throw and is safe then the ball is thrown and the first baseman can't catch the ball the runner can advance but then it will only be a hit and error on the throw.... | |
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| Baseball Question.
Posted: 10/2/2009 3:09:03 PM | IT'S TRIVIA TIME ! ! !
(I posted this question before so many already know, the blond haired blue eyed girl got it last time.)
What right fielder holds the most throw outs to first base?
In other words the ball goes through the infield but swift enough for the outfielder to make the throw to first (probably has to be a slow runner with a bad start).
The # 1 player who holds the record has many many times more than # 2. | |
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Posted: 10/2/2009 3:37:37 PM | I kbnow that Harry Hooper holds the record for most outfield assists by a right fielder (somewhere around 350), but I don't know how many of them were to first base. I know this because growing up, I was a fan of the Montreal Expos. They had a couple of fielders in Andre Dawson and Tim Raines who were both fantastic at throwing out baserunners. Dawson played roight, Raines played left. Dawson was famous for picking off guys who were trotting to first on what they thought were singles. Teams learned never to take a base hit for granted when playing the Expos.
I remember reading about Hooper back in those days and the article was saying how Dawson could not hold a candle to Hooper in regards to ourfield assists.
I think Dawson finished with about 150, so are those your two players? | |
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Posted: 10/2/2009 11:32:54 PM | Nope.
I was saying # 2 guy was way behind the leader but I don't know who he is just the reigning champ.
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Posted: 10/3/2009 7:09:26 AM |
(I posted this question before so many already know, the blond haired blue eyed girl got it last time.)
Does that mean I can't answer it again??
I always keep score of the game, don't always agree with the "official scorer" though I have seen them change their mind a few moments later. The game last night was a challenge the Yankees had seven substitutions and moved several to different positions, looked like a spring training game. | |
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| Baseball Question.
Posted: 10/3/2009 9:43:38 AM |
What right fielder holds the most throw outs to first base?
My guess Carl Yastrzemski , although it may be Dawson or Raines but Yastrzemski holds the league record for assist in 7 straight seasons,but,Tris Speaker holds the major league reacod 22 straight seasons....I am not sure if either of them hold the put out record to first base or not...Just guessing! | |
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| Baseball Question.
Posted: 10/4/2009 4:55:10 AM |
What right fielder holds the most throw outs to first base?
Roberto Clemente threw a bunch out at first base. | |
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Posted: 10/4/2009 12:31:39 PM | An unbelievable player but incorrect.
The hof player to do it is still living.
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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:09:03 PM | It's Dummy Hoy.
Also credited as the one man who created the hand-signals that umpires use today. As already pointed out, Roberto Clemente was another outfielder that has thrown out runner with a forced out at first.
Larry Walker has done it as well. So has Dave Winfield. Another, lesser known player, was Tris Speaker, although most baseball fans know who he is. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2009 11:18:32 AM | Keep guessing.
He was one of the most popular player's of the game.
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Posted: 10/5/2009 12:30:40 PM | I know HankAaron had a lot of outfield assists, but almost all of his were to 2nd base.
Hockeysense... Dummy Hoy and Sepaker were both centre fielders. Speaker was Harry Hooper's teammate. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2009 12:43:55 PM | Ah, I just read through the entire thread again - still living hall of famer.
I'm cycling through names right now lol
I was going to suggest Frank Robinson, but he didn't play RF often, only when injuries arose. I'm beginning to think it's Tony Gwynn, but I can't remember a single time I saw clips of him gunning a runner at 1st. He was a pretty good fielder though by all accounts. Could it be Al Kaline? | |
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Posted: 10/5/2009 12:47:37 PM | | I broadened my thinking when I couldn't come up with a name. I know Speaker was CF, but he did play games in RF. It's not Aaron by the way - he wasn't the most fleet of RF and had a pretty average arm by all accounts. Could be Jackson, but I'm just grabbing at straws here now. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2009 1:01:54 PM | I was wondering whether it could be Jackson but again, I can't recall him being that good at getting them out at first. I know Aaron didn't have a great arm... that's why he has so many outs at 2nd... because batters always thought if they hit it to right field it's as good as a double.
The only way I could imagine it not being Harry Hooper is if they didn't keep stats back then on where the outs were made. He had nearly 100 more outfield assists than any other right fielder. | |
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