| Natural vs Man Made
Posted: 10/6/2009 10:24:34 PM | | What is the difference between something that is natural and something that is man made? This question really gets me. I was asked this question in Jr High School as a rhetorical question then told that if something is made by man then it's considered man made and not natural. According to the definition of natural, if something is man made it is no longer natural. If a man makes a home of mud, the mud is still natural but the house is not. However if a dirt dobber builds a nest both the mud and it's home are considered all natural. What gives with this logic, why is something man builds, no matter how simple or complex considered unnatural just because it's now labeled "man made"? And what if a woman builds a mud home? Is that home natural or man made? | |
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| Natural vs Man Made
Posted: 10/6/2009 11:17:02 PM | | Its my understanding that Manmade is something that has to be consciously created(cars, books, and yes, landscaping), while Natural implies that it will appear or be created without our intervention(trees, life, mountains) | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:25:47 AM | ^^^^^^ ... If you look at what we have done to this planet and the things on it and then what animals have done there is a HUGE difference hun ...
Man is like a huge locust so in the matter we are similar ...
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| Natural vs Man Made
Posted: 10/7/2009 8:12:44 AM | Same as the difference between a dam made by a beaver for its purposes, and a dam made by mankind for his purposes. Both flood lands. Both provide new areas for aquatic animals and plants, both provide something for each one that builds them.
But...to a "greenie"...the beaver dam is cool, but the manmade one is an abomination. Kind of tells me who likes being a human, and who has a rather low opinion of their own species.
Perhaps THIS is what marks "intelligence" on the planet and should be the benchmark. When you start questioning your own building or creating and start agonizing over how it will affect other things around you. Think a beaver gives a crap about how the flooding will affect the groundhog? Nope...not a bit. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:15:42 AM | | Nothing is really man-made, man just does a good job at re-arranging atoms. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 11:59:33 AM | Man-made things are made by men. Natural things are not made by man. The difference is only whether it's made by man. That's all it means.
Here is the test question: Did a man make it?
Yes = man-made
No = not man-made
So to apply this, go out and find anything, then ask about it, did man make it?
If not, then who did?
If a monkey made it, then it is monkey-made.
If a frog made it, then it is frog-made.
If it just grew there, or fell there, or wound up there after a storm or because it used to be a tree, then you can say it is naturally occurring.
This is because for the distinction between natural or man-made what is meant is that you have two possible cases, which are that something was made by man, or that it was not.
That mankind is natural in the sense of life being natural is beyond the scope of the purpose of the distinction. It's natural for you to be confused by this but really it's an artificial or man-made puzzle. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 12:35:07 PM |
If a monkey made it, then it is monkey-made.
If a frog made it, then it is frog-made.
lol good one... all the useless junk on the face this planet is monkey-made. But frog-made? Now that's just plain bananas, buddy! | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 1:12:53 PM | | It's not a false dichotomy when the exact purpose of the dichotomy is to differentiate between what it man-made and what is not. That's a true dichotomy. Nobody is saying mankind is unnatural. Nobody is puzzled by this except outside the context of its actual meaning. Frogs have no such difficulty comprehending the difference between natural and frog-made. Have any frogs asked about it? No, and that proves it plainly. You're being silly. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 8:41:37 PM |
What is the difference between something that is natural and something that is man made? This question really gets me. I was asked this question in Jr High School as a rhetorical question then told that if something is made by man then it's considered man made and not natural. According to the definition of natural, if something is man made it is no longer natural. If a man makes a home of mud, the mud is still natural but the house is not. However if a dirt dobber builds a nest both the mud and it's home are considered all natural. What gives with this logic, why is something man builds, no matter how simple or complex considered unnatural just because it's now labeled "man made"? And what if a woman builds a mud home? Is that home natural or man made? If you make something without a sense of conscious and sentient choice, just because your genetics and basic drives drive you to, then the primary motivator is nature, which is called natural. However, if the primary motivator is a human conscious and sentient choice, then it's primary motivator is man, and it's man-made. So, if someone takes ECT to your brain, until you're not able to think, or able to speak, and just start humping women the minute you turn horny, and your learning gets wiped out, and THEN you start building a house, by basic genetics and natural drives alone, then it's natural. If not, then it's almost always a conscious choice, and it's man-made.
Another example is that for most men, your choice of who you want to f*ck, and when you want to f*ck, is motivated by natural desires. That's natural. But your choice of who to ask out, and when, and how, is almost always by sentient choice, and so asking the girl out is man-made. | |
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| Natural vs Man Made
Posted: 10/9/2009 7:25:45 AM |
However, if the primary motivator is a human conscious and sentient choice, then it's primary motivator is man, and it's man-made. of course, thats common sense. But why do you think man-made and natural are mutually exclusive?? They are not. Our consciousness is a product of nature, so by extension anything our consciousness makes is also a product of nature. | |
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| Natural vs Man Made
Posted: 10/9/2009 8:22:35 AM |
What is the difference between something that is natural and something that is man made?
A damn built by sticks and mud by Beavers is nature made
A damn built of Equal size by Humans is man made
What is the difference between the two... We have the intelligence and wisdom to understand the consequences of our engineering... (It often usually doesn't give a crap about nature, and sometimes is even at the expense of other humans for profit margins... Cola polices for damning rare lakes in 3rd word countries is an excellent example of this) Nature is only working on instincts and self preservation.
And what if a woman builds a mud home? Is that home natural or man made?
If she's human, that would still be Man Made... just because a male beaver helps make a damn does not make it 'man made' | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 8:30:09 AM | | This is not going along with the progression of this thread at all, but I remember something about primeness of proportion having only been observed in products of human thought. Anything that has prime proportionality, (things proportional to sequential prime numbers), is almost certainly man made. How would this work into the blur between natural humans and a natural world? | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 1:40:10 AM | | its not cut and dried, obviously, but, for example, natural vitamins are good for you, [the ones in food!]as most, [if not all] man made vitamins are made for profit AND are many times [I BELIEVE] made out of stuff that is not absorable [bad word] by the body, which is probably, in a lot of cases, a good thing! | |
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| Natural vs Man Made
Posted: 10/10/2009 10:22:06 AM | In simple thought ... something that nature without man would make is natural.
something nature would not make but man does is man made. [we like to seperate ourselves from nature even though that is unnatural]
we could start to discern into very miniscule categories if we like and have
bird made
mammal made
bacterial made
but then who would buy that. Some natural made things are very detrimental to our health and the environment of parts of this planet too. [as far as life goes anyways]
volcanoes are natural and look at the devastation.
the ice age is natural
meteors striking the earth are natural
nature can be quite the destructive killer.
ps. as for our engineering knowing the consequences of it being put into reality ... that has been a false assumption many many times in the past and I'm sure will continue to be. Engineers think they know way more than they do.
I agree with the bottom line being the thought but they tend to only know that in the short term and not the long term. Economists also think they know way more than they do. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 1:15:09 PM | ''nature the desrtructive killer.
nature needs a regulator, again! | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 8:23:57 PM | | Mud daubers mix dirt with saliva to build the cells for their progeny. Imagine a bunch of drooling half-wits building our structures...Oh, wait! They already do, at least down the street from me! | |
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| Natural vs Man Made
Posted: 10/17/2009 12:15:07 AM | | We have thousands of chemicals that did not exist without man making them, and so forth. Forget the silly semantical arguments of what a man builds or creates as the definition of man-made, versus what nature has created. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:05:39 PM | | I feel you are right, it does seem obvious what is man made and what is not. Still how can someone who is a product of nature use a something that is a product of nature and claim to create something that is not a product of nature? | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:29:31 PM | | It seems it is natural for man to act unnaturally so while man may create unnatural things it is quiet natural that he does, so all things unnatural created by man are naturally man made. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 4:50:22 PM | | Thatch the biggest joke in environmental zeitgeist. Nature dictates what we do, our existence is in fact natural. If we nuke the planet we are simply the hand of nature wiping the planet clean. | |
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