| who's your master?
Posted: 10/7/2009 12:33:44 PM | | Since were born we live at home with our parents until the age of 5, then we go to public schools where the education is not all that great. Over the next 13 years of public schools the kid is brainwashed to believe in college. Now learning is also working. It is work, no if, ands or buts. There are somethings that you cannot unlearn. Somethings you learn are helpful to you. Somethings you learn that end up hurting you some point down the road. Now college comes around and your expected to pay to learn (work) with the promise of a better future. A lot of the times you are expected to intern for free. That is also work and your not being paid. That sounds like slavery to me. Put all that on top of that some college grads don't get work in their area of study. My advice is don't work for free, your not only hurting yourself but your hurting someone else. Over 95% of the jobs that are out there can be done by a highschool graduate if they are willing to continue to learn the trades of the new job. Over 50 years ago they used to hire children to pick berries and fruit on farms. WHy? because the kids did not know the value of the dollar and were willing to be underpaid for their labor. Who do they hire now? Illegal immigrants. Truthfully most people at the age of 13 are more than able bodied enough for work. Yet parents don't like the idea of their kids being taken advantage of even though someone will always be looking for ways to make money off of other people's labor. | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/7/2009 12:37:26 PM | | I'm unemployed at the moment. But working is so overrated. | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/7/2009 3:59:47 PM |
Since were born we live at home with our parents until the age of 5, then we go to public schools where the education is not all that great. Then put your children in private/separate school.
Over the next 13 years of public schools the kid is brainwashed to believe in college. Encouraged, not brainwashed.
Now learning is also working. It is work, no if, ands or buts. I enjoy learning, then again, I also enjoy working and bettering myself.
There are somethings that you cannot unlearn. Somethings you learn are helpful to you. Somethings you learn that end up hurting you some point down the road. Please identify the things one learns that hurts them down the road? I'm curious as to what this might be...
Now college comes around and your expected to pay to learn (work) with the promise of a better future. A lot of the times you are expected to intern for free. That is also work and your not being paid. That sounds like slavery to me. Put all that on top of that some college grads don't get work in their area of study. If you are opposed, by all means flip burgers and mop floors for minimum wage. Post secondary education is a priviledge, not a right; hence the tuition fees.
My advice is don't work for free, your not only hurting yourself but your hurting someone else. Over 95% of the jobs that are out there can be done by a highschool graduate if they are willing to continue to learn the trades of the new job. Again, you are invited to flip burgers from your soapbox.
Over 50 years ago they used to hire children to pick berries and fruit on farms. WHy? because the kids did not know the value of the dollar and were willing to be underpaid for their labor. Human Rights Commission changed this...
Who do they hire now? Illegal immigrants. Truthfully most people at the age of 13 are more than able bodied enough for work. Yet parents don't like the idea of their kids being taken advantage of even though someone will always be looking for ways to make money off of other people's labor. Such as yourself.
I'm sure you want luxuries in life, things that cost money, require financing and such... are you willing to work for them?
I'm opposed to my son working at the moment as he's still a youth and as such, deserves to be supported by me. There will be plenty of time for him to work later in life after he graduates from post secondary.
Ultimately, I've paid my dues and today, I'm my own master... I go to work and earn a living, but I don't slave nor do I begrudge my employer making more money off my time. He's the one that has put forth the risk and effort to build the company, he pays me whether or not I'm billable to a client, so basically, I'm bartering and I believe most people are paid a fair wage for the work they do...
This whole thread reeks of self-entitlement as opposed to working for a reward...  | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/7/2009 4:23:43 PM | | Well..im answer to the topic question, I'd have to say.....Yoda! | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/7/2009 8:13:44 PM | Then put your children in private/separate school.
It costs money, public is free. Schools are institutions, the children are institutionalized from ages 5-18 not just to become "smart". By the way their all learning the same things, how are any of them going to get ahead. They are also institutionalized to keep order in society so chaos does not ensue. And it serves as a daycare for "mommy and daddy". They have to start them young at the age of 5 so when puberty hits they think it is normal to be in school and don't ask questions. From the ages of 13 to 20 they are at their healthiest and most physically capable age the majority of them will ever be for the rest of their lives. Biologically speaking teens are the highest potential threat to the well being of others. Whether they seek to "better" themselves through the system that "others" have created or they find their own way which sometimes includes crime. If you pay for education you teach your children it is ok to pay for education. That should be a crime. Were wasting their energy and brain capacity while spending our money to do it. What a waste of youth. Have you even seen how some teachers dictate classrooms?
They don't ever teach kids how to specifically make money, the kids have to do that on their own. There is only a certain amount of currency in the market and what you make is what you take from others potential to make money. There seems to be no room for the expanding population which leaves some of these young adults breathing their elders dust after they were misused in a institution.
Over the next 13 years of public schools the kid is brainwashed to believe in college.
Encouraged, not brainwashed.
HELLO- THey are brainwashing through the act of encouraging them. THey repeatedly encourage them, that can definitely be considered brainwashing. I looked up brainwashing for you, Brainwashing 2nd definition- any method of controlled systematic indoctrination, esp. one based on repetition or confusion.
Now learning is also working. It is work, no if, ands or buts.
I enjoy learning, then again, I also enjoy working and bettering myself.
Yeah humans have an innate drive to learn, it is natural. But when your learning material chosen for you by others it is work. They chose material for children to learn that will make them least likely to be a financial threat in their future. And they wonder why these students are not scoring well.
There are somethings that you cannot unlearn. Somethings you learn are helpful to you. Somethings you learn that end up hurting you some point down the road.
Please identify the things one learns that hurts them down the road? I'm curious as to what this might be...
Mathematics and languages are skills and tools that you have to continually use to keep them sharp. That's ok, Im fine with that. But by doing so, it is possible you are wasting your time and energy, unless someday you happen to write a bestseller, or publish math work that hasn't been documented yet. Most people don't do this.
Now college comes around and your expected to pay to learn (work) with the promise of a better future. A lot of the times you are expected to intern for free. That is also work and your not being paid. That sounds like slavery to me. Put all that on top of that some college grads don't get work in their area of study.
If you are opposed, by all means flip burgers and mop floors for minimum wage. Post secondary education is a priviledge, not a right; hence the tuition fees.
THat is what you do not get... people that flip burgers and mop floors are being paid at a slightly unfair rate. Maybe I am just a little to righteous for you. Truth is I would flip burgers or mop floors, Im not above it, nor are you. Even with the slightly lower rate that they are being paid combined with the benefits they are supposed to recieve after a few months a lot of them are laid off. There is a high turnover rate in order to prevent them from being paid the benefits.
My advice is don't work for free, your not only hurting yourself but your hurting someone else. Over 95% of the jobs that are out there can be done by a highschool graduate if they are willing to continue to learn the trades of the new job.
Again, you are invited to flip burgers from your soapbox.
If you want you can sit on my soap box in front of me....
Over 50 years ago they used to hire children to pick berries and fruit on farms. WHy? because the kids did not know the value of the dollar and were willing to be underpaid for their labor.
Human Rights Commission changed this...
Yeah because it went to far and started to work against.... go ahead and think about the finish there, you said you like to think right?
the biggest problem seems to be population growth and expansion. In 1800 world population was less than a billion, in 2009 it is estimated to be 6.7 billion, so do the math because you like to think right? good for you, id give you a cookie but your in the center of the world right.
Who do they hire now? Illegal immigrants. Truthfully most people at the age of 13 are more than able bodied enough for work. Yet parents don't like the idea of their kids being taken advantage of even though someone will always be looking for ways to make money off of other people's labor.
Such as yourself.
Actually I was born here and I am a legal law abiding citizen.
I'm sure you want luxuries in life, things that cost money, require financing and such... are you willing to work for them?
NOt if it were to become the bane of my existence.
I'm opposed to my son working at the moment as he's still a youth and as such, deserves to be supported by me. There will be plenty of time for him to work later in life after he graduates from post secondary.
If you were such a great parent you would provide and teach a living to your offspring instead of sending him to the wolves.
Ultimately, I've paid my dues and today, I'm my own master... I go to work and earn a living, but I don't slave nor do I begrudge my employer making more money off my time. He's the one that has put forth the risk and effort to build the company, he pays me whether or not I'm billable to a client, so basically, I'm bartering and I believe most people are paid a fair wage for the work they do...
And so the truth is hidden from the peoples eyes.
This whole thread reeks of self-entitlement as opposed to working for a reward...
Thank you for your opinion and your time spent reading and responding. I'm right you're wrong
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/8/2009 3:01:35 AM | You didn't actually respond to many of my questions... so I guess along with self-entitlement is avoidance... you're right...  | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/8/2009 4:26:42 AM | I'm not sure who or what is my master but erm... I am the master of my own domain...does that count for anything?
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/8/2009 10:14:48 PM |
I'm unemployed at the moment. But working is so overrated.
I agree. Although I do work bc it is necessary for now, I also feel that when I stop working for any period, life then starts to actually become meaningful, flowing, and joyful. Mainly the physical effect that the 8 hour day takes. I actual feel healthy if I don't work for a while. The 9-5 for five days a week is like just throwing away days, waiting for death to come. That way, you're not living, you're deading. | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/9/2009 3:52:12 PM | | It's a bit of a rhetorical question everybody. How many people know their boss directly. How many people know their bosses boss? How many people know the boss of their bosses boss? Keep continuining this thought train until you no longer know. At the end of the chain your ultimate boss is the people. The mass of all of us. Or some of us if it is a territorial thing. We are a slave to eachother. The term master is misused because the concept is misunderstood. When people think of their master if they have one(sad), they think of them as being all powerful. Truthfully the master is dependent upon his/her subjects cooperation and willingness. There are bits and pieces of human nature that allows the concept of master and slave to exist. Lets investigate these aspects of ourselves and share. Is it possible that we are breeding for values that will lead to our own demise? If things continue the way they are will we be the cause of doomsday? Is it possible that "doomsday" is and has been occuring for a long time. It is not actually "doomsday" but "doomsmillenia" and is a lot longer process than we envisioned. Think of all the wars we have had. All the genocide. The violence, nuclear weapons, biological warfare, the list goes on and on. Are we bringing "hell" to earth, or have we already brought it? Is your misery someone elses pleasure? Is your pleasure created by someone elses misery? Have you ever been self destructive or destructive to others? Are we designed to destroy ourselves? | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/9/2009 6:18:25 PM |
who's your master?
Nobody in particular but really , the real question is "Who's your pappy !?"
Come on now OP ... if you don't want to work that's hardly news. Very few of us actually want to work. I mean , I rather enjoy going to work right now and find my job quite rewarding. I do in fact look forward to work. On the other hand , I don't really consider it 'work' either. That's the key.
It doesn't matter what you do , you have to do something. You've got an awful lot of years to just sit around contemplating what you should do with your time and during that same time , life is passing you by. Make a placard and walk the highways proclaiming the second coming of Jesus . Build a home in a mountain. No , not ON a mountain...dig buddy , DIG ! Or go live in the bush to 'get away' from all that civilization offers you. Nothing is free though...remember that. You'll sing for your supper one way or another. | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/10/2009 11:42:18 PM | | I don't think anyone has a better appraisal of the system than I do. Therefore I call my master Terry Gilliam. There is nobody who speaks so clearly and universally for me other than Terry. I defer to Terry Gilliam's definition of existence, especially with 12 Monkeys or Brazil. | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/11/2009 1:30:28 PM | money!
not me! no! no!....................... really! | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/11/2009 4:01:52 PM |
who's your master?
Only slaves have masters. Since it is wrong to be either one, I choose to be equal to all my brothers and sisters everywhere, which gives me the right to see them as equals; king or peasant...It makes no difference to me. | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/11/2009 4:27:15 PM | | You will serve/worship something in your lifetime--that's how people are made. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 4:31:58 PM |
You will serve/worship something in your lifetime--that's how people are made.
Then a better question would have been "WHAT's your master?"
If I consider that to be the question, then I can only say that I serve my fellow Man and "worship" freedom . | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/11/2009 4:53:03 PM | | What if worship of freedom compromises a desire to serve your fellow man Duckie, what method do you use to establish your priorities between when you worship freedom or serve your fellow man? Is it best to just go with what "feels" right on with respect to freedom and service on any given day, in any given situation dear fellow? | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/11/2009 8:01:40 PM |
what method do you use to establish your priorities between when you worship freedom or serve your fellow man? Is it best to just go with what "feels" right on with respect to freedom and service on any given day, in any given situation dear fellow?
The worship of freedom and service to my fellow Man are not at odds; it is not an either/or proposition. It is the freedom for my fellow man that I worship. To achieve that end, I live in the service of my fellows. As it is my choice to do so, it is an act of individual freedom. | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/11/2009 9:04:56 PM | | Is the freedom to support the killing of someone's child (with good financial or personal reasons to future prosperity, perhaps) also part of this most devoted worship of freedom and service to your fellow Man? | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/11/2009 9:12:02 PM |
This about the most ridiculous drivel I have heard in years.
Are you seriously equating a child-killing to service to your fellow man? Is that not a fecking oxymoron?
Oh. It happens by devout worship?
What the feck ever. When you say something that actually makes sense, maybe I will listen to you. I doubt I will agree with you, but maybe I will allow you to finish your diatribe before running out the door. | |
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| who's your master?
Posted: 10/11/2009 9:16:10 PM | | ^^^Massa Margaret Sanger? It was just a question. Let him answer. (How did I know you were a pro-freedom woman?) | |
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