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| Atheist's and Islam
Posted: 10/8/2009 5:25:45 AM | | This is something that's been on my mind for a while. I know many atheist's and christians like to 'have it out' by arguing about God, Jesus, the bible and religion. Which is fine. But I don't see all that many atheist's arguing about religion, the Qur'an, Allah, and Muhammad with Muslims. Why is this? | |
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Posted: 10/8/2009 5:00:17 PM | | It's just not common in this part of the world. I'm sure in the 'free' parts of the middle east there are middle eastern atheists who are more educated in Islam and can debate it. Just like I'm sure there are atheists in China and India - we just don't speak the language here so you aren't going to see it as much. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:41:50 AM |
But I don't see all that many atheist's arguing about religion, the Qur'an, Allah, and Muhammad with Muslims. Why is this?
Uh, well, yeah... If you were to learn Arabic or another language from someplace where Islam is prevalent you might be able to find some arguments....unless all their out-of-the-closet atheists are dead and the rest are pretty damn quiet.
I'll bet they don't argue very much about freedom of speech, or separation of church and state, either.
Gee, I wonder if they have arguments in Saudi Arabia over public school boards trying to slide so-called "Intelligent Design" into science classes at public school (i.e., non-religious school).
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/12/21/teachers/index.html
Do Muslims in Iraq demonize Charles Darwin as much as fundamentalist Christians do here? I don't know.
I wonder if they spend money to build "museums" in Iran with fantastic dioramas displaying dinosaurs coexisting with humans like we do here in America?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/arts/24crea.html
And there are all the other tiresomely familiar issues related to religion and freedom therefrom...
Atheists simply don't believe in deities - Christian or otherwise. Atheists don't argue theology since Atheists see no point in theology. Since Christianity is prevalent in the English-speaking world I guess we'll just have to accept the fact that Atheists will argue with Christians here. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:43:14 AM | | In most Islamic countries just saying you are an Atheist can get you put to death, saying any thing about the belief system or Muhammad can also get you put to death in these places. Why you don't see much arguments about it in those places. Getting put to death sucks! Here in the USA, because only a small persent of the population is Muslim they are not the ones for the most part trying to force their belief system on atheist, so not mush reason for atheist to push back, but if it will make you feel better; there is no god or profit's of god to include Muhammad. Allah and Islam is a lie. All religon is man made ideas and they are all cult like and dumb. Feel better now I hope. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 6:56:08 AM | Traditional treatment of apostates according to Shari'a law:
Islam teaches that a newborn has an innate ability to know and believe in his creator, and to understand good and evil. Muhammad (pbuh) stated: "Every child is born with the believing nature...it is his parents who make him into a Jew or a Christian." There is to be no force used to convert a non-believer to Islam. The Qur'ãn, quoted previously, prohibits the use of compulsion to force a person or a society to accept Islam.
However, once a person freely "enters into the fold of Islam, the rules change." 1 The word "Islam" means "submission to the will of God." The Qur'ãn says that: "No believing man and no believing woman has a choice in their own affairs when Allãh and His Messenger have decided on an issue." (33:36) On the issue of apostasy, "Islam clearly says: No! You cannot become an apostate." 1 Apostasy is viewed as a form of treason.
In many predominately Muslim countries, the punishment for apostasy is death.
Assuming that the individual:
Was a Muslim
Openly rejects Islam,
Has made this decision freely and without coercion,
Is aware of the nature of his/her statements, and
Is an adult. then the penalty prescribed by Shari'a (Islamic) law is execution for men and life imprisonment for women. Drunkards and mentally ill persons are excluded from this punishment because they are considered to be not responsible for their statements.
A person born of a Muslim parent who later rejects Islam is called a "Murtad Fitri" (Apostate - natural). This is viewed a treason against God. They are given a second chance. If they repent of their decision, they will be released. A person who converted to Islam and later rejected the religion is a "Murtad Milli" (apostate - from the community.) This is viewed as treason against the community. Male apostates are executed even if they repent. Female apostates are released from imprisonment if they repent.
Additional factors:
If either spouse apostatize from Islam, a divorce is automatic.
If both apostatize they are generally allowed to stay married.
An under-aged male is imprisoned, and only executed if he remains an apostate when he becomes of age.
The will of a male apostate is not valid.
A female apostate's will remains valid.
In the rare instances when an apostate is executed, it is traditionally done by severing his neck with a sword.
Among Malikites, Shafi'ites, and Hanbalites, adult women receive the same penalty as men: execution.
The Shi'ite schools of law allow for Islamic law towards apostates to be applied in non-Muslim countries. The majority "Sunnites do not believe in extraterritorial jurisdiction." 1
Justification for the death penalty is mainly based on two Hadith texts:
"Whoever changes his religion shall be killed." (Abu Dawud)
"It is not lawful to kill a man who is a Muslim except for one of the three reasons: Kufr (disbelief) after accepting Islam....." (Abu Dawud).
Add to this mobs will do what mobs do in these counties and what mobs do in these counties is kill people that question there god. | |
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| Atheist's and Islam
Posted: 10/10/2009 10:13:17 AM | 78outdoorsguy
This is something that's been on my mind for a while. I know many atheist's and christians like to 'have it out' by arguing about God, Jesus, the bible and religion. Which is fine. But I don't see all that many atheist's arguing about religion, the Qur'an, Allah, and Muhammad with Muslims. Why is this?
There are several different reasons that there isn't much argument.
1. There is no confusion when it comes to their belief system and who God really is. Muslims believe that there is only ONE God that governs everything and that they worship the god and that Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and all the others that have come before them were simply messengers who brought message to people regarding knowing God and worshipping one God. Unlike, Christianity where there is Jesus, the son, the father and the holly spirit and all other denominations that have their own belief systems. Therefore, people get confused as to who do they really worship when it comes to Christianity and people mostly leave the religion 'cause they don't understand it and go all in different directions and some turn atheists and argue against it.
2. Not all Muslims really know about Islam itself and most are "born muslim" just like there are "born Christians, Jews etc", so they wouldn't be able to argue regarding the religion as they follow what they have been told by their fathers and grand fathers and all.
3. Not all Muslims in the Muslim countries pray and go to mosque all the time and all. You need to travel there and see it for yourself. Just like in the Western world, there are many many Christians, Jews etc, who don't really follow the religion, the same applies to Muslim countries. There are secular people who don't necessarily pray and all and nobody bothers them or forces them since in Islam everyone is responsible for their own actions, so if they pray and ask for forgiveness and all, it is their own duty and has nothing to do with being forced into it. Thus, there are many Muslims who may not really believe in Islam and argue with scholars of Islam about it as well, but I don't think we have any TV channels that will broad cast those since it doesn't make money in the western world. :)
Freetime to be me
However, once a person freely "enters into the fold of Islam, the rules change." 1 The word "Islam" means "submission to the will of God." The Qur'ãn says that: "No believing man and no believing woman has a choice in their own affairs when Allãh and His Messenger have decided on an issue." (33:36) On the issue of apostasy, "Islam clearly says: No! You cannot become an apostate." 1 Apostasy is viewed as a form of treason.
- You need to stop quoting verses that have nothing to do with an issue without really understanding it. This verse has nothing to do with apostates in Islam. When you quote a verse, try to understand the actual context of the verse before you are quoting it.
- The following is the actual context of this verse that you have quoted. I have quoted the verse before the one you quoted and the one after as well so that you can see the context of the verse.
33: 35. For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise,- for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward.
- In this verse, God says that for both men and women who believe in God, are devout, truthful, patient, humble, give charity and fast and state chaste, God has prepared great reward for them and that's the forgiveness for them and great reward.
- Then the next verse says the following in context of the above verse.
36. It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by God and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.
- This verse doesn't say anything about apostates at all. It simply says that what you have been told by God and his messenger, such as believing in God, staying chaste, patient, fasting and all the other things mentioned in the Koran need to be followed by the believers since they have been decided by God and his messenger for you (which are supposedly good things and good decision) and if you disobey them, then you are going in the wrong path.
So..................
- There is no such thing mentioned in this verse regarding apostates or anything like that at all. Therefore, I suggest you research a little bit more and then quote verses in context rather than out of context.  | |
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| Atheist's and Islam
Posted: 10/10/2009 10:32:36 AM | "You need to stop quoting verses that have nothing to do with an issue without really understanding it. This verse has nothing to do with apostates in Islam. "
I can see what it has to do with apostates in Islam even if you don't. So it is you not me that does not understand. I suggest yuou open your mind it not hard to find the context here. It is a simple and true fact that wake up! | |
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| Atheist's and Islam
Posted: 10/10/2009 2:36:35 PM | In answer to the OP
There are probably many reasons for the apparent lack of debate between atheists and muslims vs the apparently vocal debate between atheists and christians. I say apparent, because it is likely that most atheists...and most christians don't give a hoot what the other thinks or believes...and just go about their lives oblivious of or indifferent to the beliefs and practices of each other.
In western countries, many atheists are former christian theists, and relatively few are former muslim theists. Although atheists who are former christians have no greater belief in muslim mythology than they do christian mythology, they do however in the main, have a greater familiarity with christian mythology than they do muslim mythology, and therefore may be more inclined to dispute the content of sacred christian texts than sacred muslim texts.
As far as I can understand, christians don't have the equivalent of the muslim fatwa, so it is probably safer for non christians to challenge the tennets of the christian faith than it is to challenge the tennets of the muslim faith. Many muslims take their fatwas seriously, and sadly, a number of people of different faith positions have died as a consequence of fatwas being executed.
Some people do have the courage to take islam head on...but often they live life as a fugitive from fanatical religious persecution and retribution. Below is a link to an interview between Taslima Nasrin a Bangladeshi feminist writer and Kerry O'Brien on "Lateline" ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission) TV (1995).
http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/articles/taslima-nasrin-writer-trial | |
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| Atheist's and Islam
Posted: 10/10/2009 5:52:19 PM | We are simply riding on the back of a more progressive wave.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_Jurisdiction_Act_1677
Everyone has to go through the same 12 step program at their own pace. 
I myself used to be addicted to this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvation
... and I also feared reprisal if caught associating with things that did not fear god.
I remember being scared to even talk to a boy on our school bus after he'd revealed he was an atheist. I was just brought up that way. And it is hard to break free of that, when the culture one lives in only reinforces the mentality. | |
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| Atheist's and Islam
Posted: 10/10/2009 7:54:17 PM | Freetime2bme
I can see what it has to do with apostates in Islam even if you don't.
- No. You can't see it at all. If you could see it, you wouldn't be quoting verses out of context without knowing the history behind the verse and what it was talking about.
- I already proved to you what that verse says and what the context was.
- Plus, you can't even read the Arabic version of it and I can read it and understand it since I have lived most of my life overseas and studied about Islam.
- Now, if you have a better proof, please provided it on here so that we will know that you know a bit about Islam and make sure you quote them in context this time. | |
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| Atheist's and Islam
Posted: 10/11/2009 5:37:47 AM | "- I already proved to you what that verse says and what the context was."
Wrong again you proved nothing to me. You can not think clearly. You have been infected with an illness. The illness you have been infected with is religion and when you are infected you do not think logically. By saying you have proved something to me when you have not, clearly proves that. I too have traveled to many moslem countries. I was in the US Army for over 25 years. Gave me the opportunity to see the underside of islam close up. I looked at it without having the false belief in a none existent god, so I saw it for what it is and what it is is a blight on man kind. I see what you don't because I see with clear eyes and an open mind. Your will likely never be able to do this and for that I feel sad for you. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 8:56:28 AM | Freetime2beme
Wrong again you proved nothing to me. You can not think clearly. You have been infected with an illness. The illness you have been infected with is religion and when you are infected you do not think logically. By saying you have proved something to me when you have not, clearly proves that. I too have traveled to many moslem countries. I was in the US Army for over 25 years. Gave me the opportunity to see the underside of islam close up. I looked at it without having the false belief in a none existent god, so I saw it for what it is and what it is is a blight on man kind. I see what you don't because I see with clear eyes and an open mind. Your will likely never be able to do this and for that I feel sad for you.
No proof found in the above statement regarding Quran and what it says about apostates.
So............
No further debate is required till you provide the proof from the Quran and explained the context of the verse in detail instead of copying and pasting it from the internet. Good luck. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 12:57:56 PM | I posted what I posted. I stand by what I posted. You continute to debate what I posted. Your context was wrong my context was right. I do not have to look up anything for you. "No further debate is required " lol. Please you are a joke.  | |
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| Atheist's and Islam
Posted: 10/11/2009 2:24:58 PM |
I posted what I posted. I stand by what I posted. You continute to debate what I posted. Your context was wrong my context was right. I do not have to look up anything for you. "No further debate is required " lol. Please you are a joke
- The above-mentioned information doesn't contain any verses from the Koran where it could prove the evidence of prostates in the Koran nor does it explain the context of the verses.
Thus.....................
It is all nulll and void until the poster is able to provide the verses again and explain the context of the verse including what the verses are about, how they relate to Islamic theology etc. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 2:54:57 PM | No it's still a facted, because I said it was. Your not the king of the forums. You have again shown your lack of logical thought. There is no need for me to show any more then I did. We all know what goes on in the Islamic countries, lot of them kill if you say you no longer believe in god. This is a fact!!!!!!! You are trying to use tricks to get out of this fact, but it will not work. You keep this up I will delair a Jihad on your post. | |
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| Atheist's and Islam
Posted: 10/11/2009 9:56:38 PM |
No it's still a facted, because I said it was. Your not the king of the forums.
- Nah. I am not king of the forum and you aren't either, but we are talking PROOF here from the Koran and you have failed to provide the verse, explained the context of the verse and explain what the purpose of that verse was based on what Islamic sholars say. Your saying in this matter is NULL since you are neither Muslim who knows about Islam, nor an Islamic scholar who has done his research and studied it.
But..........
If you are, please explain the verses in context, the history of the verses, why where they revealed to Muhammad, the year it was revealed and the purpose of the verses when it comes to Islamic theology.
You have again shown your lack of logical thought. There is no need for me to show any more then I did.
- No. I haven't. You have showed your ignorance and lack of knowledge regarding Islam without providing evidence and right now not even able to explain the verses in context since you have no clue what you are talking about and simply repeat the propaganda that you listen to in your circles.
We all know what goes on in the Islamic countries
- Who cares what Islamic countries do? Countries don't represent Islam. Koran represents Islam. If countries have t heir own laws and regulations regarding death pentalty and all, that's their problem and not Islam's problems.
- There following verses are from the Koran and this is what the Koran states regarding killing others.
5:32 "......... if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity...." - There is no where in the Koran any verse that says to kill apostates and if you could find it and quote it and explain it to us, then we will know the extent of your Islamic knowledge here, which I am sure is lacking. Also................. Koran is the only book that explicitly mentions that there is no force in religion at all. [quote' There is no compulsion in religion. Right has become distinct from wrong. So whoever rejects evil and puts faith in God has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that never breaks. And God is hearing, knowing. (2:256)
lot of them kill if you say you no longer believe in god. This is a fact!!!!!!! You are trying to use tricks to get out of this fact, but it will not work. You keep this up I will delair a Jihad on your post.
- The above-mentioned information doesn't contain any verses from the Koran where it could prove the evidence of prostates in the Koran nor does it explain the context of the verses.
Thus.....................
It is all nulll and void until the poster is able to provide the verses again and explain the context of the verse including what the verses are about, how they relate to Islamic theology etc.
- If you are not ready to debate logically, put your closed-minded ideologies to yourself and rather indulge in debate with knowledge. I am sure you haven't read the Koran and nor know how many chapters it contains and can't read the Arabic text either. :)
But................
If you can, please provide evidence and explain them in context just like I have been asking you to do so. Otherwise, without proof. You are barking at the wrong tree. | |
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| Atheist's and Islam
Posted: 10/11/2009 9:57:54 PM |
No it's still a facted, because I said it was. Your not the king of the forums.
- Nah. I am not king of the forum and you aren't either, but we are talking PROOF here from the Koran and you have failed to provide the verse, explained the context of the verse and explain what the purpose of that verse was based on what Islamic sholars say. Your saying in this matter is NULL since you are neither Muslim who knows about Islam, nor an Islamic scholar who has done his research and studied it.
But..........
If you are, please explain the verses in context, the history of the verses, why where they revealed to Muhammad, the year it was revealed and the purpose of the verses when it comes to Islamic theology.
You have again shown your lack of logical thought. There is no need for me to show any more then I did.
- No. I haven't. You have showed your ignorance and lack of knowledge regarding Islam without providing evidence and right now not even able to explain the verses in context since you have no clue what you are talking about and simply repeat the propaganda that you listen to in your circles.
We all know what goes on in the Islamic countries
- Who cares what Islamic countries do? Countries don't represent Islam. Koran represents Islam. If countries have t heir own laws and regulations regarding death pentalty and all, that's their problem and not Islam's problems.
- There following verses are from the Koran and this is what the Koran states regarding killing others.
5:32 "......... if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity...."
- There is no where in the Koran any verse that says to kill apostates and if you could find it and quote it and explain it to us, then we will know the extent of your Islamic knowledge here, which I am sure is lacking.
Also.................
Koran is the only book that explicitly mentions that there is no force in religion at all.
There is no compulsion in religion. Right has become distinct from wrong. So whoever rejects evil and puts faith in God has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that never breaks. And God is hearing, knowing. (2:256)
lot of them kill if you say you no longer believe in god. This is a fact!!!!!!! You are trying to use tricks to get out of this fact, but it will not work. You keep this up I will delair a Jihad on your post.
- The above-mentioned information doesn't contain any verses from the Koran where it could prove the evidence of prostates in the Koran nor does it explain the context of the verses.
Thus.....................
It is all nulll and void until the poster is able to provide the verses again and explain the context of the verse including what the verses are about, how they relate to Islamic theology etc.
- If you are not ready to debate logically, put your closed-minded ideologies to yourself and rather indulge in debate with knowledge. I am sure you haven't read the Koran and nor know how many chapters it contains and can't read the Arabic text either. :)
But................
If you can, please provide evidence and explain them in context just like I have been asking you to do so. Otherwise, without proof. You are barking at the wrong tree. | |
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| Atheist's and Islam
Posted: 10/12/2009 2:47:01 AM | "but we are talking PROOF here from the Koran"
No that is what you are tring to do not me.
"Who cares what Islamic countries do?"
I do and so do most people on earth.
"There is no where in the Koran any verse that says to kill apostates and if you could find it and quote it and explain it to us, then we will know the extent of your Islamic knowledge here, which I am sure is lacking"
But apostates are killed in the name of islam, this is a fact!!!! You do not like the facts do you.
Because you have again tried to get around the facts, I declare all your post null and void.
I issue this fatwa all post new or old from passionteman are now and forever null and void. | |
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| Atheist's and Islam
Posted: 10/12/2009 9:04:39 AM | Gentlemen:
The original post in this thread has the seed of an interesting discussion! Please settle down and behave!
Are we reasonable people trying to share information and learn something here, or are we behaving just as badly as any narrow-minded religious fundamentalists? We should not assume knowledge of one another's experience, hey? (Or, maybe, do unto others as you would... oh never mind!)
I see no reason to insult and challenge a man who has the courage to try to explain his own life experience. (Why in the world would you pretend that you can issue a fatwa, moron? Are you an imam? If so, please quote the Koran as asked! Take your ignorant hate elsewhere - that's how wars are started! After you've had the experience of living in a predominantly Muslim country, please enlighten us as to what your life has been like.)
In the same way, I simply despise it when fundamentalist Christians try to define everything about me as an atheist. I see no Muslims here trying to do that. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 10:05:37 AM | freetime2bme
"but we are talking PROOF here from the Koran"
No that is what you are tring to do not me.
"Who cares what Islamic countries do?"
I do and so do most people on earth.
"There is no where in the Koran any verse that says to kill apostates and if you could find it and quote it and explain it to us, then we will know the extent of your Islamic knowledge here, which I am sure is lacking"
But apostates are killed in the name of islam, this is a fact!!!! You do not like the facts do you.
Because you have again tried to get around the facts, I declare all your post null and void.
I issue this fatwa all post new or old from passionteman are now and forever null and void
- The above-mentioned information doesn't contain any verses from the Koran where it could prove the evidence of prostates in the Koran nor does it explain the context of the verses.
Thus.....................
It is all nulll and void until the poster is able to provide the verses again and explain the context of the verse including what the verses are about, how they relate to Islamic theology etc.
Where4
I see no reason to insult and challenge a man who has the courage to try to explain his own life experience. (Why in the world would you pretend that you can issue a fatwa, moron? Are you an imam? If so, please quote the Koran as asked! Take your ignorant hate elsewhere - that's how wars are started! After you've had the experience of living in a predominantly Muslim country, please enlighten us as to what your life has been like.)
- Thanks for your post here. I just don't understand how people are not able to back up their own opinions with FACTS. He keeps talking about apostates and Islam and when he is told that the primary source of Islam is the Koran and that he is supposed to provide evidence from the verses of the Koran and explain the context, he is not ready to do so because I know he has gone on the internet and copies and pasted some verses without actually knowing what the verses are talking about.
- Then, he comes around and talks about "Muslim countries" - Islam was not built on the idea of "Muslim countries" - Islam was built from the Koran being the primary source of that religion. Therefore, talking about "Islamic countries" and what they do has nothing to do with Islam since many Muslim countries have their own laws just like USA, Canada and other European countries have and most of it has nothing to do with the religion at all.
But.......................
If you want to find the connection between Islam and the laws of the country, then you had better be ready to provide evidence from the Koran "IN CONTEXT" to back up your opinion. Unfortunately, Freetime2be me has simply watched too much FOX News and CNN and goes in circles without providing any sort of evidence. :) | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 11:54:42 AM | "Why in the world would you pretend that you can issue a fatwa"
I did not pretend to issue a fatwa I did issue one and I fatwa him good and hard too.
" If so, please quote the Koran as asked!"
There was never a need for me to quote the Korean, that was not the contex of my post you moron!
"After you've had the experience of living in a predominantly Muslim country, please enlighten us as to what your life has been like."
My life has been good, because I did not let the islamic hate get to me; also I had lot of people with guns so my atheist beliefs were okay. Some times might dose make right.
Back to the OPs question as to why and that is still the same in many predominatly muslim countries questioning islam or becoming an atheist can get you killed. This is a fact. I will not work the google for you or the other dumb a#s poster on this, but you can my friend. Call me a moron again and I might have to fatwa you too, but I think you might want me to fatwa you again and again just like the other posted did. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 3:07:38 AM |
There was never a need for me to quote the Korean, that was not the contex of my post you moron!
I will not work the google for you...
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=16461
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Posted: 10/16/2009 1:22:21 PM |
Why is this?
Because the #1 religion in North America is Christianity. Same reason the same cars show up as the #1 most stolen car year after year... because there's more of them out there to take.
The core argument against all religions is the same: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Show me evidence that your religion has any measurable merit. Testimonials aren't useful - we have testimonials from EVERY religion, and yours isn't any better than theirs. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 11:58:57 PM |
72 Virgins. Nuff said.
This turns out to be a mistranslation. It really says 72 white raisins (Google it if you don't believe me).
Generally the Atheists arguments apply to numerous versions of god. However, as others have said, in the US most Theists are Christians so arguments are tailored towards Christianity. On the other side of the coin most American Atheists used to be Christian so we're more familiar with Christianity thanother religions.
For what it's worth, Allah doesn't exist and Muslims are delusional. | |
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