| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/9/2009 6:41:54 PM | yea i said it WWE needs a legends title like TNA, or some kinda belt for stars that have been around awhile and dont really need another WWE world title Championship ........ I mean c the ones i grew up with mid 90's Taker, Austin, Rock, HBK, Brett hart.... they were all champions like 6 or 7 times and it meant something no PPVS every 3 weeks, no switching the title every month....... 10 yrs from now Orton and Cena will be like 15 time champions, thats crap......... So i say give them a belt that means more respect than the world title i dunno just ranting | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/9/2009 11:52:02 PM | I think TNA only has a legends title because they can't get anybody other than has beens ;) True legends don't need a title that confirms their legacy. Ric Flair is a legend with 16 title reigns. Triple H with what 15 now? I don't think you can have a belt with more respect than the title everyone wants and up and comers dream of.
I can see it now. 15 years from now John Cena unveils the Geezer Spinning belt... | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/12/2009 9:13:13 PM | | I doubt they would do something like that. WWE is becoming the biggest joke there is. The guest host storyline is good at times but to have celebrities "beat on" and "pin" seasoned and established wrestlers like they are no name jobbers is a low down dirty shame. WWE hasn't even introduced a new title that wasn't associated with WCW or ECW since the hardcore title in 1998(not including the divas title it's the same as the womens title) but a real wrestling company like TNA has introduced a womens singles and tag team title belts in the last two years and maybe hopefully a good idea of introducing a X division tag team title along with the continued title defenses of New Japans IWGP tag team and Junior tag team titles. Also if WWE started a legends division even though their not that many legends left on the active WWE roster that Vince wouldn't hear the end of it from Dixie Carter or Jeff Jarrett because he would have copied their idea and would have to admit that TNA is starting become major competition to WWE especially now having brought in Bobby Lashley(who with some work could become a bigger name than what WWE could have done) and the rumors of Ken Anderson aka Mr. Kennedy along with some others already in the company like Hernandez and Eric Young finally getting some good pushes to main event level might make TNA a bigger threat than WWE is letting on. We'll just have to see how each companys storylines work through the next few months and see how they each work out | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/13/2009 1:42:10 AM | | I think the legends title is a waste. TNA should change the title to a North American title or something. I mean how many wrestling Legends does TNA really have to compete for a title like that?????????? | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/13/2009 9:00:34 AM | | There's plenty who could compete for it. Sting, Mick Foley , Kevin Nash (current champ), Booker T, Scott Steiner, Jeff Jarrett, then there are the ones who been with TNA since the begining that could like AJ Styles, Daniels, Abyss, Samoa Joe, etc. But they have been using it as a regular title lately for example the triple threat match at Bound For Glory where Kevin Nash will be defending the belt against Hernandez and Eric Young, two of TNA's two biggest rising stars. If Young or Hernandez get the belt dropped to them at BFG it could cement there status as a major contender for the World Title later on. So in a way a legend could win the belt and say I've still got in me or a up and comer could win it as a way of saying that I'm going to be a legend so take notice now. That belt can boost the career of both young and old | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/13/2009 1:20:42 PM | The Legends Title is the equivalent of what the IC Title was for many years in the WWF, just with a stupid name.
It's a title that is use to really test the waters for up and coming superstars to test their marketability for holding the world title. Many of the biggest legends in the sport have held the title, and while some did go on to win World Titles, I always thought some got screwed out of the World Title. But really, it is a testing ground for up and coming stars.
Now why they never gave a title run to Mr. Perfect or "Ravishing" Rick Rude is beyond me, but those are two legend upon which the testing ground of the IC title failed in my opinion. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/13/2009 3:43:52 PM | I love the old guys, but nothing is worse than watching the old has beens hobble around the ring and do their (often unspectacular) signature moves at half speed.
I had a lot of respect for old Ric Flair. He really wrestled pretty well for a long time. He was one of the few old guys who did a pretty good job of keeping up with younger comp. But Hogan, Foley and Nash? Please. Waddle around on your decrepit knees and then give a big leg or something equally ridiculous? no thanks.
I have no idea what WWE is thinking. CM punk with the title? Geez it took edge 10 years before he got a shot. Jericho has the title for what, a few days??
Personally, TNA still has some of that old school, side show, (for lack of a better term) "white trash" element.I like that. More true to its roots. Whereas the WWE has tried to distance itself from its roots somewhat. Sure they trot out old guys once and while, but for the most part, aside from the fans, the heart has been removed. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/13/2009 4:04:17 PM | Sting, Mick Foley , Kevin Nash (current champ), Booker T, Scott Steiner, Jeff Jarrett
three problems. One the guys that could compete for it are all in the same faction or not even wrestling anymore as of now and AJ Styles, Daniels, Abyss, Samoa Joe, aren't legends of wrestling by any means at least not yet. The whole thing imo is stupid. I never cared for it when they first debuted it by giving it to Booker T, I mean if you want to piss on a new belt right off that bat that's how you do it. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/13/2009 6:08:24 PM | | AJ, Daniels, Abyss, ands Joe are TNA originals who shaped the company to what it is today and wouldn't be the same without them just like the other originals. That's legendary to a point. AJ was the first in TNA to hold all titles at one point, Daniels has won 4 ultimate X matchs, Abyss has created numerious barbaric hardcore matches including monsters ball, and Joe went almost 2 years undefeated. Those also sound like legendary feats to me | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/14/2009 3:05:15 PM | | So they are originals still. Legends are guys like Hogan, Flair, Sting, HBK, Hart etc.. These guys like AJ Styles Abyss and Joe are by no means legends of wrestling, they haven't earned that right to be called a Legend yet. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/14/2009 3:26:11 PM | | Sting, Flair, HBK and Hart legends yes. Hogan? Not a legend. At least not to me. Hogan was then what John Cena is now. The biggest joke in pro wrestling, the only reason hogan is remembered today is because of the way Mcmahon promoted him. Because Hogan can't wrestle for shit and has only 3 wrestling moves that has been the same for 25 years. The same goes for Cena he's the hogan of our generation. To me a legend should be judged by gimmick and ability. Hogan is just gimmick so to me he's far from being a legend. As for the the TNA originals they might not be real legends yet but will be and are Legends at least in TNA because like I said without the originals TNA wouldn't be the way it is today. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/14/2009 3:51:32 PM | Hogan not a legend? Are you kidding me the man is an icon in the wrestling business and i'm not even a big Hogan fan. No Hogan was much, much bigger then John Cena is today. Hogan sold out arenas almost by himself everywhere he went when he was in his prime. Everyone around the world just about knows who Hogan is even if they didn't watch wrestling, that's how big Hogan was and still is today. You can't mention wrestling without the name Hogan being mentioned next to it.
Since when was modern pro wrestling apart of wrestling itself? Wrestling is entertainment. You can have the best wrestling skills ever but if you don't have the mic skills or the charisma then you aren't going to go over very well in the business. Look at most of your guys today that are legends, the vast majority of them have sub-par wrestling skills, but what they do have is great mic skills and the charisma that put them over the top as entertainers which is what basicly modern day pro wrestling is. The Rock didn't have very many wrestling moves either for example but his mic skills and charisma made him to be one of the biggest wrestling names in wrestling history. I mean another example is Kevin Nash he will tell you straight up that he isn't a wrestler, but instead an entertainer and his mic skills and charisma is what got him over to where he is today. Being a legend in pro wrestling is all about how popular you are and not how many moves you know, It's always been like that since guys like "Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers wrestled.
But where is TNA today? The same old TNA for the past 4 years with little to no progress. TNA is still sportting an 1.2avg rating which is def nothing to brag about. TNA has done little if nothing at all to progress themselves to where they should be now. Instead of pushing their own homegrown talent they bring in former WWE wrestlers that spotlight their main events month in and month out and those former WWE wrestlers other then Kurt Angle have done little to nothing to help progress the company. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/14/2009 7:46:43 PM | | Hogan to me is not a big deal. Yes he has accomplished many things but I was never to impressed by him but without Vince he would have never done it. Since he has broken ties with WWE he's almost has become a ghost. The only things I've heard about him in over 2 years is that he and Linda divorced. Why? Because without WWE he's out of sight and out of mind. Now Im hearing he's in talks with TNA again and that would be boost for him and the company but I'm not holding my breath on it. If it doesn't get his way he won't do it . It's like the time WWE wanted a rematch between him and HBK, he was all for it until they told that he would lose then he changed his mind saying his knee was bothering him supposedly. I know a friend who met Hogan back in 2003 and he told me he's the biggest fraud and douchebag he's ever met and he had heard somebody ask one of the people from WWE that was handling the autograph signing what was up with him and they told him he was upset because he was paid enough to do the signing and really didn't want to do it for that simple fact. He disses the main reason he is where he's at today, the fans. With TNA the only reason they can't change much is due to 2 facts. 1. They don't have piles of money like WWE. 2. Vince Russo and his crappy storylines. If they could fix these problems they could do so much more but they do what they can with what they've got, and to me that makes TNA better than WWE anyday any time. I want wrestling not talking on the mic the entire show how about they put up and shut up and show the world your ring skill not mic, a good example of a Phenom who didn't use much mic skills for several years of his career is the Undertaker. He went over real well with the fans without mic skills but with his skill and awe inspiring presence due the fact of how agile he his for his size even to this day. Mic skills don't mean nothing. Its how well you can work a match with whether it's a greenhorn or the biggest name of the time. Mic time makes wrestling boring, I want action and nothing else leave the talking to the color commentary. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/14/2009 8:41:48 PM | Hogan is not a big deal? He was one of the biggest reasons wrestling exploded in the 80's. I can tell you were little too young back then to remember that.
Without Vince he would have never done it? More like without Hogan Vince would have never became so big in that time frame to become such a huge success. Hogan has that special niche to him that you can't copy.
Hogan is out of sight out of mind once he is out of the WWE? Is that why he still has such a huge following. Is that why he can still go to just about any wrestling org and still sell a lot of seats. Is that why he just started his Hulkamania tour down in Australia which has been a big success so far?
That's bogus, Hogan has jobbed for many people and tried to pass the torch a few times as well to guys that ended up dropping the ball at the end like Goldberg and The Rock to name a few. I'm not saying that he is a total jobber, but the man has jobbed and worked with talent much less known then he was. I mean, what about that whole Billy Kidman Hogan feud back in 2000 with the WCW new blood storyline? I'd say he put Kidman over pretty well and that's just one example.
Are you talking about HBK? Last time I checked this guy isn't anything to compare to. He too has a huge ego. I mean this is a guy that flat out lied to Bret Hart at Survivor Series 1997 which went down as one of the biggest screw jobs in wrestling history.
Well I’ve met Hogan a few times and he was pretty cool to me. Matter of fact when he held the WCW title back in the day he let the fans hold it and take pictures of them holding it with him when at when he would stop in at Hooters in St. Pete every now and again.
The Undertaker isn't a technical wrestler. What put him over was his gimmick and his charisma that came along with that gimmick. I mean if wrestling skill was the main thing then guys like Dean Malenko would be over huge, but they’re not, because guys like Dean Malenko had zero personality. Mic skills don't mean anything? How many legendary wrestlers didn't have mic skills vs. legendary wrestlers that did? There is a whole hell of a lot more legendary wrestlers that had mic skills vs. the ones that didn't. To say mic skills don't mean anything is like saying tires don't mean anything on a car. It's pretty much a proven fact that without mic skills, charisma and a solid gimmick in the wrestling business the odds of you getting anywhere up the ladder is slim to none, which is why guys like Hogan, Flair, Sting etc. are legends and guys like Dean Malenko aren't.
Well then you must be a select few because a lot of fans seem to enjoy the mic time when a wrestler speaks. I mean how do you think guys get over by the fans in the Business, just by coming out and showing up? lol. No you have to have something to your gimmick other then showing up in trunks and wrestling. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/14/2009 9:43:17 PM | | I didn't sayhogan wasn't a big deal. I said for me he wasn't. I was more a fan of Hart and Piper in the early ninties. I didn't buy into the hulkamania bullcrap growing up I was more into NWA and WCW where most of the real wrestlers were at the time. I watched WWF/WWE only for a select few. Then when Hogan jumped ship to WCW in 93 I pretty much quit watching because Hogan was really ruining for me. He basically gets the world belt dropped to him when he want sits and they hand it to him when other more deserving wrestlers like Piper are left with the scraps. The main reason I stated watching wrestling again was The attitude era of WWE because of DX and Stone Cold the only two gimmicks that I enjoyed watching because they were hilarious when they tortured Vince. Wrestlings best times was the early ninties to early 2000's and depending where hogan was. I just stand can't stand Hogan he is a steroided up, money hungering, old fart. He was and is it in for the money and not the fans at least anymore. It shouldn't be just about the money because without the fans in those seats their is no money. If you want to know how hogan really can be towards other wrestlers you should read Bret Harts book Hitman he goes into alot of detail about what really went on when Hogan is around. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/14/2009 10:17:42 PM | Wrestling is a business of ratings. Whoever draws the big ratings gets a lot of things handed to them. It's been that way for years. I mean look at Flair, Austin, Rock, HHH for example. Those men pretty much won the title belt every other month or retained it for months and months on end. Hell it was just last year that Cena held the belt for one year straight, before giving it up. Same with HHH a couple years before that he too held the belt for the vast majority of the time for a couple years.
Piper dropped the ball, which is why he never got over huge after Wrestlemaina 1 in the WWE . Vince gave him the ball to run with at the first Wrestlemaina and headlined Piper as the main event on that ppv, but since it didn't go over that well it was the last time Piper ever headlined a Wrestlemaina. So Piper is the only guy to blame for his under-card future in the WWE after that.
Well if it wasn't for the NWO there wouldn't have been a DX and Hogan had a huge part to do with the Monday Night Wars, because without Hogan's heel turn the NWO would have been just some typical faction.
Well tell me what wrestlers weren't on roids back in the 80's and 90's. Every guy from Hogan to Hart have admitted to using roids in their wrestling career. And what wrestler isn't in it for the money? I mean you think half of the WWE roster that jumped to WCW weren't going there other then the money at the time? I mean Nash admits it that he goes were the highest dollar takes him. So does Ric Flair.
That's not true Hogan loves the fans. The guy gets emotional everytime they start chanting Hogan, Hogan! and he totally understands that without the fans he wouldn't be where he is today, but the thing is it's also a EGO driven business at the same time. Hell, Hart got like 8 million dollars when he signed with WCW at the end of his career. you know what Hart did? Instead of saying well this isn't fair to guys like Chris Jericho that work their butt off at the time in WCW that didn't get paid for what they were worth, he took that money and ran. Another thing that was Ego driven from Hart was Surivor Series 1997. Hart didn't want to give up the belt to HBK at Surivor Series 1997 even though that was his last match in the WWE. He didn't care about rather it was good for the business to do so, all he cared about was his own EGO. So does Bret Hart really have any room to talk about Hogan? Not really. The guy did the same things as Hogan did like all of the Superstars that reach that status do. They are EGO driven. Hell even to this day the EGO is still going strong in the wrestling business. Booker T has flat out refused to job to Matt Morgan recently which has made a nice some of people upset at him backstage in TNA as of late and because of that he is prob on his way out of TNA once his contract is up at the end of this year. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/17/2009 12:15:59 PM | | WWE does not need any more titles, most of them are useless anyways, the way they book changing of titles monthly. They made the I-C strap and the tag titles a little more worthy, but overall, titles do not mean a thing anymore. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/17/2009 12:20:39 PM | Hogan not a legend? Ignorance. The biggest draw in North American wrestling history over the last 70 years, the last guy who was a draw like him and for longevity was Jim Londos, who wrestled in the 30's..........
Hogan was the biggest draw in wrestling before he even came to the WWF in 1984, why do you think McMahon signed him to the biggest deal at the time in 1984? Then when he left WWF, he went to WCW and was the biggest draw in the country for a few years. On top of that, he was one of the biggest foreign draws in Japan for many years.
Cena, not even close, no one outside of wrestling fans even have a clue who he is... | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/20/2009 3:41:40 PM | | The wwe doesn’t not need any more titles, much less a legends title, if they’re going to bring back any titles they should bring back the hardcore title or the cruiserweight title. The wwe should also get rid of that divas championship, it’s so worthless. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/23/2009 1:59:32 PM | WWE needs a lot of things. I honestly can't watch it anymore. I do watch TNA from time to time but honestly, after working in the business for about 15 years, there's just too much production put into the show, and not nearly enough believable wrestling.
I've converted to the UFC pretty much altogether...except the shows I ref...where we do it old school! | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/27/2009 5:04:06 PM | You mean the same guy that went on a murder rampage that killed his family and killed himself?
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/27/2009 7:03:38 PM | | I think that Cody Rhodes and John Cena are the measuring sticks by which all men should be measured-when it comes to looks! lol | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/29/2009 1:22:02 PM | | Back in the day, pro wrestling had the promoter, and a booker, and wrestlers ad-libbed most of their promos ( well Roy Shire back in the day would write scripts for wrestlers, if they sucked on the mic), and ad-libbed in the ring. Now, with scriptwriters and even more soap-opera stuff, it is not the same. For example, Cena would be a better promo if the script-writers did not give him such lame-ass material to say. You can tell half these guys do not believe in what they are saying. As Jim Cornette says, wrestlers are not good hollywood actors, and pro wrestling is not a movie where you see closing credits at the end. | |
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| WWE needs a legends title
Posted: 10/29/2009 1:59:12 PM | In my opinion, WWE has too many titles and it's always the same people getting those titles. I am so sick of the same fueds and matches over and over again. I think Vince has too many wrestlers and therefore, good talent is going to waste because they can't be pushed. If I have to see Cena vs Orton again I am going to lose it.
They also have too many ppv's. I now only get the main ones. Come on, a ppv every 3 weeks and sometimes they have two ppv's in a month. Not usually but at times. PPV's used to mean something too and a lot of work went into them. Some of them now are just like watching Raw on Monday nights.
With all the ppv's, so many belts and the same matches, I don't know why I watch half the time. I see many wrestlers who have little talent who could be fired. Why not get rid of some of the filler wrestlers and give a push to good ones who don't get much air time.
Smackdown needs a lot of improving. I like the guest host thing but I do miss the Vince-Steph-Shane family fueds. In my humble opinion, the best I ever enjoyed wrestling was in the middle of the 90's to about 2002. | |
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