| Lisbon Treaty – can we get rid of a few hundred politicians?
Posted: 10/12/2009 8:01:46 AM | A movement is beginning in Europe, lobbying to reduce the number of Members of Parliament / Members of The House of Lords and their equivalents in other countries within the EU after the EU implements the Lisbon Treaty. Petitions are beginning to be raised (e.g. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/LisbonLessMPs/ ) calling for individual state governments to reduce themselves in size and the commensurate costs they incur.
This is on the basis that in signing the Lisbon Treaty, individual member state governments have abdicated most of their decision making power to the EU; the logic then follows that we need far less members of government within individual EU states (such as Britian) to make the few decisions that are left to make.
So – should the number of MPs and Lords be reduced – and if so how many do we need?
And if you think we should retain the current numbers – why? And how should they occupy their time? | |
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| Lisbon Treaty – can we get rid of a few hundred politicians?
Posted: 10/12/2009 8:36:35 AM |
And if you think we should retain the current numbers – why? And how should they occupy their time?
they should start by sorting this country out and getting us back on our feet instead of having moats built around there houses and going on luxury holidays paid for by us tax payers..the country is fecked up and they are just sitting back and lining there own pockets while 1000s will be freezing and hungry this winter... | |
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| Lisbon Treaty – can we get rid of a few hundred politicians?
Posted: 10/12/2009 8:54:42 AM | So – should the number of MPs and Lords be reduced – and if so how many do we need?
the tories have already pledged to get rid of the amount of mps as currently we have the same amount as when the british empire was in full swing. im sure ive read about the tories getting rid of the house of lords as well? something blair promised 12 years ago but failed ...... 
the problem i have is, if europe gets there way all mps and lords will go and we will have just unelected twats at the top ....... silly me madelson, brown, baroness scotland | |
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| Lisbon Treaty – can we get rid of a few hundred politicians?
Posted: 10/12/2009 10:29:47 PM | Fewer MPs seems to imply larger constituencies, and that would worry me if the first-past-the-post system remained in place.
The percentage of the vote that goes, for example, to the LibDems is not represented in the House of Commons by anywhere near the same percentage of the MPs. The support across the country is substantial but diffuse and currently has no chance of gaining an equivalent proportion of MPs.
With the rise of even smaller parties like the Greens and UKIP, having the current system disenfranchises them completely. With a proportionally representative voting system the two-party division would become less strong and make those who took the majority more considerate of the views of the whole population.
As to what they would spend their time doing?
Education? Welfare? Health? | |
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| Lisbon Treaty – can we get rid of a few hundred politicians?
Posted: 10/13/2009 12:08:16 AM |
This is on the basis that in signing the Lisbon Treaty, individual member state governments have abdicated most of their decision making power to the EU; the logic then follows that we need far less members of government within individual EU states (such as Britian) to make the few decisions that are left to make.
It makes perfect sense.
The member states are subject to EU law, not their own, and this is a further step towards centralisation. The Treaty Of Rome (details of which were not made widely known prior to the 1975 referendum) contains the desire for 'ever closer union':
http://www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/FSTREAT/TR1.htm | |
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| Lisbon Treaty – can we get rid of a few hundred politicians?
Posted: 11/3/2009 9:01:47 AM | So Lisbon is going through the Czechs are signing.
Should we propose to get rid of politicians now?
The ex Director of Public Prosecution was on the radio this afternoon, talking about the 3,000+ bits of legislation this government has given us since 1997 and how much of it was ill-conceived and badly drafted. On the basis that members of the legal profession are hugely over-represented in both Houses, should we also be proposing a cap on the percentage of our representatives who are current or previous members of the legal profession? | |
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| Lisbon Treaty – can we get rid of a few hundred politicians?
Posted: 11/3/2009 9:11:00 AM | Well, the ratification of Lisbon means that we no longer need elected representatives of any kind in this country, so we can get rid of them tomorrow.
The EU already tells our councils how to behave, right down to parish level, and even our votes for MEPs are meaningless.
The ex Director of Public Prosecution was on the radio this afternoon, talking about the 3,000+ bits of legislation this government has given us since 1997 and how much of it was ill-conceived and badly drafted
The main reason for that, of course, is that we have had too many career politicians since 1997, rather than people who lived in the real world and know how real people live. Also, our laws since 1984 have been subject to either EU approval or have been issued by bureaucrats in the EU., some of whom have never been subject to any kind of plebiscite. This means that they haven't NEEDED to listen to the public and understand their concerns. | |
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| Lisbon Treaty – can we get rid of a few hundred politicians?
Posted: 11/3/2009 9:13:09 AM | if the czechs sign, we might as get rid of the house of commons and the lords as wont make much difference as europe has the final say! 
makes me annoyed, and a bit of topic but, how can we preach to the afghans when we have an unelected leader, and never had the vote on europe??? i bet the taliban think their moderates compared to our lots. | |
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