| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 7:59:00 AM | Hey guys, how do you feel about a “sin” tax to help pay for healthcare?
I personally don’t have a problem paying a little more on soda and sugary things. Maybe it’ll help Americans to become a little healthier.
And, every time I see that damn commercial featuring the lady unloading groceries (in plastic bags by the way) and literally bitc*ing about a soda tax making it too expensive to feed her family, I want to throw something at my tv! Stop feeding your kids junk lady!! I know, I know, she's just an actress, but you know what? I never gave my kids soda and it saved me money at the dentist!
Also, I live in NJ and they are proposing a 25% tax hike on liquor, (not beer) to help with the large deficit here. I say if it makes people drink a little less because of the price, maybe drunk driving will be reduced also.....
JMO.
Peace, 
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 10:00:47 AM | What happens when sin tax revenues fall due to less consumer demand on sin taxed products?
Do we start adding a extra tax to healthy foods when sin tax revenues fall from less consumer demand on the sin tax products ?
The government is gonna need to tax something in order to fund it's programs that were being funded by taxes collected from sin taxed products.
Maybe we should also put a sin tax on TV's and video games. After all they encourage laziness, especially in children. You'd agree with that right?
Heck, maybe the government should assign a government worker to everybody's house. Then those government workers can feed us by hand each and everyday to make sure that we are eating correctly. Open up wide cuz here comes the cho cho train.
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 10:00:53 AM | | A sin tax is right up the alley of most Liberals as they operate under the assumption that they are morally superior.....It seems to me if you tax things like soda junk food or whatever and people decide to limit how much they purchase then the revenue generated would lessen.(They already tax cigarettes and liquor at higher rates than other things) When that happens a new source of revenue will have to be found so the Sin tax will be applied to other things maybe chocolate or caffeine...then what? | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 10:05:48 AM |
A sin tax is right up the alley of most Liberals as they operate under the assumption that they are morally superior
Are you capable of entering a discussion without stating something about the 'evil liberals'? | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 10:12:10 AM | Don't know why I would, its so much fun..hope they don't start taxing me for that.....lol
Didn't say they were evil, said they think they are morally superior ..Sin taxes are based on Moral superiority or the belief in moral superiority...that is why they are referred to as "Sin" taxes... | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 1:30:09 PM | I think we should tax people every time they leave their home between the hours of 9am and 4pm because exposure to the sun resulting in skin cancer drives up health care costs.
We could all police each other. But if someone brings you back a bottle of whiskey you might let them slide. | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 2:55:02 PM |
What happens when sin tax revenues fall due to less consumer demand on sin taxed products?
Then the population will be healthier and our healthcare costs will be considerably less. Then the revenues will be unnecessary.
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 3:53:42 PM | It's not that simple. Some people would maybe be slightly healthier..maybe. But how do you get people to exercise? Do we force them? We have many places to workout and exercise these days, but that does not guarantee that people will use them. Exercise is a major key to staying healthy. You can build all the public gyms you want, it does not mean that people will use them.
How do you get the fat kids off the couch and away from their Xbox? | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 3:56:55 PM | .
Junk taxed?
How about Taxing the Processed poison?
Corn Syrup....
Not just in Junk, as a sugar replacement in almost every other processed food.....
Replace with real sugar and consumption of empty calories would drop.... Healthier people...
Exercise? ........ First restore the natural hormone balance.......
Is Earl Butz to old to prosecute?? Corn Syrup... his Right wing plot against minorities.....
...... ALL corn is GMO .. What genetic mod's are in the Earl Butz Conspiracy Corn????
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 4:14:01 PM | I agree with you there on the High-fructose corn syrup. It's not good for the body. I've been avoiding it for the past few years. It's in so many products...even in some breads.
I don't even like buying meats from the grocery store anymore. The idea of the growth hormones that factory farmers use kinda turns me off. Plus they have been busted sending sick animals off to slaughter. I personally try to eat as much wild game(deer, squirrel, rabbit and fish) and our locally raised Bison. The local buffalo farmer does not use any hormones and they keep a very clean farm. | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 4:32:24 PM | .
When you eat a Hamburger or beef ... Its corn...Feed lot beef are on the verge of death... over fed corn.
When you consider corn oil ... It is everywhere............GMO corn
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 4:42:08 PM | The problem with the liberal view of the world is that operates in a static model: that is, if you change this variable only the result they desire will happen. For instance, libs think that raising taxes automatically creates increases for the government coffers..Their model never takes in to account that raising taxes alters real world behavior. Because of that when taxes rise, real world behavior changes, real world revenue falls. On the other hand, lowering taxes is anathema to libs because it would reward the evil people that pay the most taxes. But when taxes fall, real world behavior also changes and revenue fills the government coffers to overflowing, until the libs spend it all, of course.
Like wise with the sin taxes: to the lib, raising taxes on "bad" products has no effect on real world consumption and taxes flowing to the government will always rise. But as too often has been seen, the real world doesn't behave in such a naive manner.
When sin taxes rise, those consumers will figure out some other way to get their fix or some suitable substitute. And in so doing the libs will only end up creating a black market for the restricted product. And in so doing further undermine the rule of law we hold so dear, yet never seem to be able to approach.
TK
{The **stards tax my dark choc'lit, I'm not switching to carob} | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/14/2009 5:06:50 PM | .
On the other hand, lowering taxes is anathema to libs because it would reward the evil people that pay the most taxes. But when taxes fall, real world behavior also changes and revenue fills the government coffers to overflowing, until the libs spend it all, of course.
I am asking my boss to cut my hourly 50%... Real world I will get a raise.............
I going to buy a Boat........
B/S... Proven wrong by CBO and everyone else ............ except the Coor's Heritage group......
Reagan Tax cuts.... Doubled Gas taxes and Doubled FICA witholdings while the economy comes out of recession...........
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/17/2009 8:22:36 AM | How about liquor and cigs and luxury items such as diamonds and yachts.
And maybe if you a president that is smoking up the WH a higher tax. Cant count the times I've heard from kids about smoking must be ok since Obama smokes.
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/17/2009 9:52:47 AM |
Cant count the times I've heard from kids about smoking must be ok since Obama smokes.
You know what. I think you can. Or actually, I think you are making that up. You saw a chance to score a cheap point. I bet you have never heard a kid say smoking is ok because Obama smokes. Or if you had it was an extremely rare thing. Kids nowadays are totally against smoking. And if they do start and it because as you say cause Obama smokes well I think you should blame the Republican Party cause there aren't any pictures of Obama smoking out there (or any since he entered politics) except for this one which was created by the magic of photoshop and the Republican party.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/11/arizona-gop-runs-doctored-cigarette-photo-of-president-obama/ | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/17/2009 10:21:37 AM | I agree with you one eyed jack, she's just trying to get in a low blow.
please see the link, President Obama quit smoking in 2007!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-health-web_frimay30,0,463574.story
Peace,
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/17/2009 12:44:08 PM | As to whether Obama still smokes one might want to see his answer to a reporter in June of this year. Obama says he needs to quit and wants to discourage children from picking up the habit. However, kids are more on the do as I do versus do as I say mode most of the time.
Right now many states have taxes on cigs to support quit smoking programs, so sin tax on cigs would another good tax for Health Care. Hey it is the Health Care budget that suffers from smokers.
From the Huffington Post
(Obama's Smoking Questioned By Reporter, Again
First Posted: 06-23-09 OBAMA: Well, first of all the new law that was put in place is not about me, it's about the next generation of kids coming up. So I think it's fair, Margaret, to just say that you just think it's neat to ask me about my smoking as opposed to if -- being relevant to my new law. But that's fine. I understand. It's an interesting human interest story. Look. I've said before that as a former smoker, I constantly struggle with it. Have I fallen off the wagon sometimes? Yes. Am I a daily smoker, a constant smoker?[ No. I don't do it in front of my kids. I don't do it in front of my family. You know, I would say that I am 95 percent cured, but there are times where -- there are times when I mess up. And I've said this before. I get this question about once every month or so. And I don't know what to tell you other than the fact that, you know, like folks who go to AA, you know, once you've gone down this path, then it's something you continually struggle with. Which is precisely why the legislation we signed was so important. Because what we don't want is kids going down that path in the first place. Okay? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/23/obamas-smoking-questioned_n_219707.html )
Remember people why many get upset about the ways some athletics and teen idols behave; teen pregnancy, violence, drugs, and the list goes on. Obama is the head of our country and even he admits that he should be setting a better example.
Hey I'm an ex smoker myself for about 7 years now, and it's not an easy habit to break. The fact is Obama still smokes and admits to still smoking. The fact is it's not the best image to present to our children or the children. Even Obama has said that a few times.
Even at some foreign meetings people have been shocked to see Obama smoking a cigarette.
From the economic times (Obama's smoking 'lights up' Mumbai meet 10 Mar 2009 http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ET-Cetera/Obamas-smoking-lights-up-Mumbai-meet/articleshow/4250397.cms)
From ABC News (Obama on front lines in battle to stop smoking Posted Jan. 19, 2009. Experts say his efforts to quit illustrate how difficult it is. http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2009/01/19/hlsa0119.htm)
Peace you all.... | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/17/2009 1:31:17 PM | I never denied Obama is still sneaking smokes. What I called you on was this statement:
Cant count the times I've heard from kids about smoking must be ok since Obama smokes.
You said you are hearing little kids say its ok to smoke because Obama does. I call bulls--t. You made that up.
I don't think there are too many little kids out there reading the economic times to learn about him still sneaking smokes.
And why would repuglicans doctor a photo to show the President with a smoke hanging out of his mouth if they think that he is going to influence young minds to smoke. Shame on them. | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/17/2009 1:56:46 PM |
Even at some foreign meetings people have been shocked to see Obama smoking a cigarette.
From the economic times (Obama's smoking 'lights up' Mumbai meet 10 Mar 2009 http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ET-Cetera/Obamas-smoking-lights-up-Mumbai-meet/articleshow/4250397.cms)
FDR was sneaking Polio..........not with Mumbai he wasn't born....
I get it the Rightie are moral .......... Reagan Alzheimers .........
Hidden... kept the kids from getting Alzheimers......
Liberals are immoral.... Polio.....
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/17/2009 6:12:17 PM | In the spring of 2008 and 2009 in the schools during the anti - smoking campaign it was brought up several times by quite a few teens about the fact that Obama smoked. There were pre-teens and teens that stood on both sides of the issue.
Yes lots of teens will usually find some weird justification to excuse what they want or should be allowed to do, and Obama was just such one noted person that some were using as a reason that smoking was probably not that bad.
Obama was not the only noted person brought up in the conversations, there were a few other celebrities.
I will admit that some noted names are also tossed around during anti-drug week at the schools too in a positive and not so positive manner.
As stated some kids look some public figures as role models, This is why it is nice to see so many public figures who donate their time to be a part of the information that is used during anti- drug and anti-smoking week. | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/17/2009 6:36:13 PM |
In the spring of 2008 and 2009 in the schools during the anti - smoking campaign it was brought up several times by quite a few teens about the fact that Obama smoked. There were pre-teens and teens that stood on both sides of the issue.
Yes lots of teens will usually find some weird justification to excuse what they want or should be allowed to do, and Obama was just such one noted person that some were using as a reason that smoking was probably not that bad.
Obama was not the only noted person brought up in the conversations, there were a few other celebrities.
I will admit that some noted names are also tossed around during anti-drug week at the schools too in a positive and not so positive manner.
As stated some kids look some public figures as role models, This is why it is nice to see so many public figures who donate their time to be a part of the information that is used during anti- drug and anti-smoking week.
I hope they increase taxes on all junk foods and place even more taxes on tobacco products..
Since President Obama was elected they have not only raised the tobacco taxes but have managed to get tobacco under the jurisdiction of the FDA. If for no other reason having tobacco under FDA jurisdiction would be enough for him to have been awarded the Nobel Prize | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/18/2009 4:49:14 PM | I believe that almost all processed foods are just about as junky and bad for health as the fat and sugar laden treats. Although a lot of stuff in the super market is touted as healthy and good for you --- it's terrible.
I wouldn't object to a "sin tax" on any of this stuff to provide for health CARE . But Obama "Care" provides for health "insurance" -- NOT the actual care. Big difference.
BTW: there are already federal excise taxes on Yachts and other luxury items. | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/18/2009 5:33:04 PM |
I wouldn't object to a "sin tax" on any of this stuff to provide for health CARE . But Obama "Care" provides for health "insurance" -- NOT the actual care. Big difference.
The liberals are taxing my patience. They're doing everything they can to make health care more expensive. Get the press to report on how expensive it is. Wait for the people to demand that government provide a solution. And then further consolodate power by taking control of the system. | |
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| Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/18/2009 6:42:32 PM |
I wouldn't object to a "sin tax" on any of this stuff to provide for health CARE . But Obama "Care" provides for health "insurance" -- NOT the actual care. Big difference.
The idea of the sin tax tackles health care on two fronts, 1 those who want to indulge in junk food will now be paying in advance for poor eating choices and 2 a sin tax may actually reduce consumption of junk foods
BTW: there are already federal excise taxes on Yachts and other luxury items.
Since the Reagan tax cuts the wealth in our country has shifted to those with the highest incomes, so maybe they have not raised luxuary taxes enough
The liberals are taxing my patience. They're doing everything they can to make health care more expensive. Get the press to report on how expensive it is. Wait for the people to demand that government provide a solution. And then further consolodate power by taking control of the system.
What a shame, see your doctor get some nerve pills, in 2010 the senate elections will see more of the republicans losing their seats | |
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