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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:38:06 AM | I have just read a review of a book (Total Recall)describing how author Gordon Bell with the help of Microsoft has been electronically recording and archiving all his life for the last 11 years.
Microsoft's description of the project:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/sep09/09-23ememory.mspx
The book's own promotional site:
http://totalrecallbook.com/about-the-book/
Obviously those two sites are pro the idea of life-logging. I have several antis in mind, but wondered, before voicing them and prejudicing the debate, if the forum thinks this is a good or a bad idea and, given that the URLs show the good side, whether you can see any drawbacks.
Would you be interested in setting up an archive for your life-log?
Is there anything you wouldn't want to log?
Is there anything that, given the current technology, cannot be logged that you would like to see loggable? | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 12:47:37 PM | Nooo!
It' a similar answer to the "would you like someone to know everything about you"?
I haven't read the link, does it log your thoughts?
What about those... erm private moments?
I think I saw a piece where they were working on being able to visualise someone thoughts.
I suppose we're not that far away from it now, the spooky thing about technology, is the way it feeds back on itself; increases in processing power lead to increases in processing power, through manufacture and design. In the eighties, I remember going to seminars where they talked of theoretical upper limits. eg I remember a guy speaking for an hour on why it would be impossible to manufacture hard disk drives with capacities in excess of 40 Megabytes! I wonder where he is...
The human brain is a neural network of sorts.
I read a book about the brain working in a quantum way, with instantaneous and simultaneous activation of Bose Einstein condensates. Which was an interesting theory...
But it won't be long, I feel, before we know,
And then they'll be able to read your thoughts.....
Spooky!
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Posted: 10/14/2009 1:05:01 PM | Life logging oooo lordie well mine would be real fun for people to read
6.00 am get up , coffee shower coffee jobs round the house
7.35 am get bus to work
8.15 am hand scan clocked in for work
10. 30 am coffee
1.00 pm lunch more coffee
6.15 pm hand scan clock out of work
6. 55 pm bus home
7.15 pm home coffee dinner more jobs
11.00pm bed
REPEAT FOR THE NEXT 4 DAYS
Weekend oooo time for me what fun that would be to read | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 1:31:48 PM | Oh Gilly!
Nowhere near life-logging! It isn't a diary...
* Wear at least one miniature camera to record who you drove you, who you sat next to and who you saw on the bus, who you ate lunch with,
* have a record of all texts and 'phone calls you receive and send,
* have a photo taken on your mobile of which mug you used to drink each cup of coffee from,
* scan every document you read and every thing you write,
* GPS log to record where you travel, where you shop,
* log what you buy, what you spend, what you cook and how many sat down at table,
* a list of every TV programme you watch and every CD you listen to.
* biometric meters to record all your exercise, your heart rate, a record from electronic scales...
And all that is stored electronically for you to recall whenever you want.
A life-log is truly a record of everything you do. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 1:38:59 PM | The concerns I would have are the ones where if someone was sending me a text or an email or when I was phoning someone, would they be happy with their conversation being logged, same for scanning every document you write, surely there must be some ethical questions that are flagged up.
I would wonder why someone would want to life log, in recording I would imagine that you might take some of the joy of experiencing life out of it, being so busy with recording it all. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 2:47:31 PM | Sounds great till you get up to date and then have to put "write life log" for the next three years ............
no thanks - rather live my life rather than look backwards and write it all down .. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 2:53:48 PM |
have a record of all texts and 'phone calls you receive and send,
ha ha annie
I DONT THINK I SHOULD DO THAT
But how would you find the time to do all that you list ? I just couldnt not enough hours in a day.
But i am nosey if any one has a fun life id like to read about . | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 2:55:18 PM | if people want to log their lives thats fine, not my idea of fun but ok if others want to...
but why? why are they logging their lives? who will ever actually look at it? who is interested in how they spend every minute of every day...?
i reckon its a pointless exercise. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 2:58:20 PM | No way in a million years would I want so much detail about my life to be recorded in such a way. Scary | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 6:09:23 PM | Erm, well isn't that what a "biography" is anyway? Just another fad if you ask me, nothing more than a souped up secret diary of adrian mole. The past is there for a reason, you can't change anything so why keep a record of it? Plus, isn't that what our brains are for memories?  | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 7:07:52 PM | I think this is really interesting - I'll read more tomorrow, but I did want to say two things:
One: in the short term, I think I would find this useful for self-analysis. If the information is easily collected (I couldnt ascertain how easy that part was by quickly reviewing the sites) it would be useful for me to analysis things happening my life. Programmes can easily be asked to analyse the input cross referencing all aspects highlighting areas for attention.
Two: One question I repeatedly ask myself is, What Is The Point Of This Here And Now? Though the input and output wouldnt necessarily ansa that question it would leave information/data that could be used to show that 'I Have Made A Difference', or not.
and also blogging and biography is usually a public thing - this seems personal. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:57:53 PM | The concerns I would have are the ones where if someone was sending me a text or an email or when I was phoning someone, would they be happy with their conversation being logged
Recording calls has legal implications - it will be interesting to see how they handle that. When Gordon Bell recorded phone calls in his office he had a message say "recording" at the start of every call so the caller could opt out, in order to comply with California law.
Taken from Totalrecallblog - Jim Gemmell Post: 24 September 2009
I am with the other readers who are speculating which new product they will be trying to push with this one, the i-pod nano is already being promoted with this linkage
New iPod Nano will record video, voice, and steps
Strangely there is a link to the Forums here in POF albeit some may consider tenuous, the forums are Archival in nature and show changes over time on opinions, many people also find it interesting to see their older posts and if their opinions or stance has changed over time, many forget they have posted certain things as time passes. This form of "total recall" is supposed to negate that and assist memory in a virtual way.
I don't think I am up for a life-log although the scanning of mails etc would make interesting reading perhaps to some, if it were private and secure I would consider it I suppose it would depend on how much it intruded on life. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2009 2:04:16 PM | You'd never lose your keys, would you? All you would need to do would be to review yesterday's movements.
But on the other hand... you could also never lose an argument because you could review what "he said, she said" before you began raking over old history. How about the arguments where you say, "I thought I said..." and then your SO shows you that you actually said something else.
Msg 10:
Plus, isn't that what our brains are for memories?
That is the nub of my view against the idea.
If we make our view of the past solely the facts we can store on a PC, what happens to our emotions? How can you record feelings in binary?
One's view of one's father after his death may be coloured by your sorrow, and he may become a hero in the eyes of your own children. That's what is supposed to happen, isn't it? But what if your children could view his archive? See him losing his temper or not doing the things you thought he had done? Who loses face? You for your false memories? Or Grandfather? So what do you tell your children? The facts from his archive without any feelings?
And why should we feel awe and wonder at a sunset? It would no longer be unusual - we would have an archive of every sunset we have ever seen - and on review there might be better ones than the one we are looking at now, which would diminish the current view.
How could teenagers rebel if the parents, as guardians of the lives of their children, could access their archive to see what the kids were actually doing when they said they were staying with their mates on a Saturday night?
And then a post like Msg 11 comes along and makes me revise all those thoughts.
Programs to analyse one's behaviour so one didn't keep repeating the same things yet expecting different results.
Did the changes you made give different results?
Did you make a difference?
Those uses could be so affirmative and produce positive results.
Hmmm. Need to go away and think some more. I find it all a fascinating use of technology, and can see - now - some good from it, but I still keep worrying over that emotion thing. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 7:55:51 AM | No not for me I have enough complications in my life without logging them and having the option of re winding if I forget  | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 8:12:18 AM | | I don't have the patience for it. I have let my online blog go to peices recently so a logging one rather than just blogging would be even harder to maintain. I'd rather spend moments living my life than logging it besides which it's rather boring at the moment. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 9:45:09 AM | OMG no no no no no no no no .
Instant reaction is what happens if my kids got hold of it ... "eewwww Mum you didn't do that!". No way. They'd be scarred for life.
More rational reasoning is that the past is past and while we need to learn from our mistakes, to view them in hindsight doesn't take into account emotions etc. Also in the wrong hands it could be a disaster. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 10:33:04 AM | I came across an old work diary from 1981, which lists all the places I visited, business miles, expenses, and the equipment I was working on, and the names of the customers etc.
It was quite weird seeing the minute detail!
The way we seem to remember, after time, is in a sort of 'overview' way, without the diary, I could have told you about that time, and remembered some of the places, but what's really fascinating, is that there was stuff I have absolutely no memory of now, even with the diary! It's like reading about someone else!
A life log would be like that..
I'm not sure it would be beneficial to be confronted with how fallible we are!
I think it would send you mad..... | |
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Posted: 10/17/2009 5:40:54 AM | I can think of nothing more tedious than having to sit through the mundane of somebody's life. Why bother? Unless it's going to be buried in a capsule somewhere for future generations to see the life of a 'typical' citizen from the period - if he was typical.
It's like 90+% of blog sites - are we really interested in their boring lives and thoughts errr no.
Today it is quite cold and ordinary. But I changed my loo roll and don't like the new stuff (insert 2 page boring bit on the relative merits of old and new bog roll) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. | |
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