| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 5:28:25 AM | I was watching the local news channel last night and there was a story on there about the Navy wanting to allow women to be on board submarines.
I personally think that they should be allowed, but there are woman who think that women shouldn't be allowed because it is such close living quarters.
The only reason I can think of for the Navy wives not wanting their husbands to be living with other women for up to 6 months at a time would be because they can't or don't want to trust their husbands.
I would like to hear what other peoples opinions are on this subject. | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 5:50:35 AM | well the navy's official arguement against it is that the dryers or washers witch ever one it was can't handle the ladies dainties witch is a load of bull me personaly I think they dont want thur f^g party gittin messed up havin a girl there would realy mess up their soggy waffle games that and girls gossip or most of them anyway and so they dont want their wives finding out I dont realy see a reason that they shouldn't allow it other then the girls are probly more likely to git off the boat preggo 6 months with no sun riding something long hard and full of sea-men has got to be hard on the psyche | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 5:54:45 AM | in these days of EQUALITY then all things and people/gender should be just that EQUAL.
fireFIGHTERS
policeOFFICERS
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 7:52:37 AM |
in these days of EQUALITY then all things and people/gender should be just that EQUAL. Only if it is truly equal, unfortunately, there are lowered standards for women to enter both the police force and the fire department.
I personally would prefer to have a 200 lb man defending/rescuing me as opposed to a 125 lb woman. Men are naturally stronger and as such, naturally better at some jobs/positions… | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 8:00:12 AM | anybody here ever been in a submarine? you can't sneeze without everybody on the ship knowing about it much less have sex.
thats ridiculous.
as I understand the latest research women may not be as strong as men but they can take long periods of high pressure better. sort of makes you think we might want to make the sub crews all women. | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 8:39:15 AM | Lint Spotter
personally speaking i would rather have a female police officer EVERYTIME.....lol come to my aid.
Whether certain jobs are " naturally better " towards a certain gender or not, the jobs should still be open for both sexes to apply.
I personally wouldnt want to work in a submarine or in any of the armed forces . | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 8:42:08 AM | The way I look at it all if women REALLY want to be on the submarine then LET THEM! or at least have one for an all woman's crew.
Hell the only reason Navy wives don't want their men cooped up with other women in the first place is because they can't trust their man to do his job. All they can think about is " I wonder if he is screwing around on me. GIVE ME A BREAK! If you can't trust your man maybe you should leave him and let him do his dang job, which is PROTECTING OUR WATERS! | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 8:49:48 AM | The main job of the submarine force is being a platform for missile deployment. Those subs are what would deliver the nuclear weapons if the time comes. They do other things but the main point is being a mobile and undetectable missile launcher. I think they might also be used to keep whales honest, but that is classified, if it's true.
Nothing about women and men serving together in submarines would adversely effect the missions, and the people would make the adjustments necessary to work well together. Attitudes have changed. It can happen now, and will probably benefit everyone concerned to be free of limiting prejudices and to have the additional talents. | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 9:21:15 AM | Personally, I think that this is just an extension of the 16th-Century superstition that women aboard sailing ships was somehow 'bad luck'.
If sailors (whether on a sub, or surface ship) are incapable of resisting the 'temptation' of opposite-sex crewmates, then they should be reassigned to duties where their lack of discipline isn't a factor. | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 9:33:24 AM | I would think women serve just as well as men (or, rather, some women serve better than some men, and vice versa!).
Logistically, though--they have to have two crew quarters, separate showers and bathrooms, ways of disposing of feminine hygiene products (a big issue [lol] on subs is waste control). Laundry has nothing to do with anything.
There is still, also the HUGE problem that women are not supposed to be in combat (law, not opinion), so the subs would be limited in scope, wouldn't they? | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 10:08:00 AM | I think they should be allowed to do any job for which they qualify. Interesting how many countries around the world have females in all kinds of military roles, but in the US apparently we aren't professional enough for that to occur.
But personally, I would hate to be trapped on a submarine with a bunch of women all suffering from PMS at the same time. | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 10:12:23 AM |
There is still, also the HUGE problem that women are not supposed to be in combat (law, not opinion), so the subs would be limited in scope, wouldn't they?
Not law, policy. And it has been broken in every war going back to atleast WW2. Women are still not allowed in combat arms units (infantry, artillery, armor, spec ops), but they are in every other segment and face combat every day in Iraq and Afghanistan. Women have been allowed to fly combat aircraft and serve on surface warships for well over a decade. | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 10:36:50 AM | OMG, can you imagine what being trapped in a sub with 5 or 6 pmsing women and no place to run ???
Come to think of it, what if it's one of them that has her finger on the Nooculer(Bush sp) trigger and is having a particularly bad day?  I pity them poor commie ba@%^$  | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 10:41:39 AM | Statistically, One in Three women in the military today are raped or sexually assaulted. I think women in the services should be issued tazers and due respect will follow shortly. It's still a good old boys world in the US services and there is still resentment. Remember how women bucked up and did the hard work at home during WW II and were immediately ordered back into the kitchen when the war was over? There remains the resentment that women can do the same job as well or better in many cases.
That said, Subs will probably be one of the safest places in the world if/when a nuclear holocaust is released and it would be good to have both sexes on these arks of mankind to help start over. | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 10:42:51 AM | If a person can't control their sexual urges and can't do their job without screwing someone, then they should not hold that job. I don't care if it's the maintenance man in a factory or a male & female on a sub, do your job, keep your pants on and find your sex life outside your profession. The genders working together is not the problem, it's asshats who have no self-control or integrity that are the problem and their gender has nothing to do with, just as many women are on-the-job whores as are men.
A man over a woman saving me...well let's see, how would a sub come under that, but anyway....Rosie O'Donald or Woody Allen, who could save me LOL | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 10:46:49 AM | Off topic to the subject, but it's against the LAW for women to serve in "most combat situations"...you are correct that each military branch has its own "definition" of combat, though.
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Recent policy changes on women in combat:
1992
The Defense Authorization Act repealed the long-standing combat exclusion law for women pilots in the Navy and Air Force. ***(Cassa's edit--I have two female pilots friends in AF--they will not train women on fighters, but will train women on B1(?) bombers (not the stealth, the other one))
1993
President Clinton signed the military bill ending combat exclusion for women on combatant ships. ***(this answers my one question, apparently women CAN be put in harm's way)
1994
Defense Secretary Aspin approved a new general policy to allow Army women to serve with some ground combat units during fighting. ***(it should be noted, the role is limited)
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In the Army women cannot serve in the following: infantry, armor, cannon field artillery and short range air defense artillery.**
**But there's a twist here that literally allowed women to fly under fire in Panama in 1989. Although federal law mandated that the Navy and Air Force prohibit women from serving in direct combat roles, no such law bound the Army to do so. Instead, the Army used its combat exclusion policy to regulate itself to conform to the intent of the federal laws that affected the other services. Thus, the Army's combat exclusion policy limited women from direct combat. That policy defined direct combat as "engaging an enemy with individual or crew-served weapons while being exposed to direct enemy fire, a high probability of direct physical contact with the enemy's personnel, and a substantial risk of capture." According to the Army, "Direct combat takes place while closing with the enemy by fire, maneuver, or shock effect in order to destroy or capture, or while repelling assault by fire, close combat or counterattack." The helicopters piloted by women were considered transport and not combat, thus the "non-violation" of the then in effect combat exclusion laws.
In the Navy women are excluded from Submarine Warfare, Special Warfare (SEAL) and ratings particular to submarine service such as fire control technician, missile technician, and one aspect of sonar technician. Women can be sonar technicians...they just cannot serve in the submarine component of the rating.
The Marine Corps assignments closed to women are infantry, armor, field artillery, security force guard protecting nuclear material, and several positions related to armored, amphibious, assaultunits and fleet antiterrorism security teams.
Air Force positions closed or restricted are Combat Control, Special Operations Forces, Rotary Aircraft, TAC Pararescue, and Weather assignments with infantry or Special Forces.
All Coast Guard occupations and assignments are open to women.
CG says: This is from http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/combat.html by a female soldier who is trying to break one of the last "glass ceilings"--the military's.
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Here's a 1987 GAO doc with some info on the history of the LAWS that prevent women from serving in combat. http://archive.gao.gov/d39t12/134619.pdf | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 10:53:55 AM | maybe if more women were in top military jobs we wouldnt have had the wars/world wars that we have had.
more women in power sat around the table discussing diplomacy and i guess the world and its nations might be a far more peacefull place.
Whats the worst that could happen.........a cat fight on the table , a bit of hair pulling and hitting with hand bags then peace again around the table.
.............plus all those women in their power suits and uniforms............mmmmm | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 11:07:28 AM |
I personally would prefer to have a 200 lb man defending/rescuing me as opposed to a 125 lb woman. Men are naturally stronger and as such, naturally better at some jobs/positions…
There is one particular female police officer in my community. She is small, she is attractive, and yet everyone who has had conflict with her has learned she is not to be trifled with. If it was necessary, I'd much rather have her protecting me than most of her male counterparts. | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 11:47:00 AM | | I love women on my submarine. Ohh think I just stepped off a cliff. | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 12:52:04 PM |
as I understand the latest research women may not be as strong as men but they can take long periods of high pressure better. sort of makes you think we might want to make the sub crews all women
Just where did you pull that from? Dealing with pressure is an individual thing, its not sex based | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 1:55:06 PM |
I personally would prefer to have a 200 lb man defending/rescuing me as opposed to a 125 lb woman. Men are naturally stronger and as such, naturally better at some jobs/positions…
You don't need to be 200lb to take some down with a Taser... just ask Robert Dziekański's mother... | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 3:25:16 PM | But personally, I would hate to be trapped on a submarine with a bunch of women all suffering from PMS at the same time.
Me, too... On a surface vessel, the guys have at least an option to throw themselves overboard if relationships get too hairy...
But trapped in a steel tube... Several fathoms beneath the waves...
There's just no escape...
Before making any arbitrary decisions, the Admiralty Board ( or whatever they're calling themselves these days) should view "Operation Petticoat", 1959, with Cary Grant... | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 3:32:52 PM |
I personally would prefer to have a 200 lb man defending/rescuing me as opposed to a 125 lb woman. Men are naturally stronger and as such, naturally better at some jobs/positions…
As much as I do agree with that to an extent, I'd just like to throw in that when someone has a gun, their sex/weight/size means absolutely nothing. ;-) | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 3:50:39 PM | But personally, I would hate to be trapped on a submarine with a bunch of women all suffering from PMS at the same time.
oh sure boys-
and I would hate to be trapped on a submarine with a bunch of men all suffering form PMS at the same time too-
post masturbation syndrome- | |
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| Women on Submarines
Posted: 10/15/2009 3:58:02 PM | | I'm just picturing all that/those seamen lol ^^^^^^^^^^^^ | |
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