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 mungojoe

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Posted: 10/16/2009 7:01:56 PM


Mixed-race marriage refusal shocks U.S. couple
Last Updated Friday, October 16, 2009 | 759 PM ET
CBC News

A Louisiana justice of the peace has drawn criticism for his refusal to marry an interracial couple.

Keith Bardwell, a justice of the peace in Tangipahoa Parish, turned down the request to issue a marriage licence to a couple on the grounds that most interracial marriages do not last long.

"I'm not a racist. I just don't believe in mixing the races that way," Bardwell told The Associated Press on Thursday. "I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."

Bardwell said he asks everyone who calls about marriage if they are a mixed race couple, and if they are, he does not marry them, he said. He said he came to the conclusion that neither black nor white society would readily accept the offspring of such relationships.

"I think those children suffer and I won't help put them through it," he said.

Bardwell's stance came as a surprise to Beth Humphrey, 30, and 32-year-old Terence McKay, both of Hammond, La., who attempted to obtain a marriage licence through the justice of the peace on Oct. 6.

Humphrey, who is white, and McKay, who is black, said they did not expect any problem in 2009, when U.S. President Barack Obama is himself the child of a mixed-race marriage.

Bardwell refused to marry them, instead suggesting the couple go to another justice of the peace in the parish, who did agree to marry them.

"That was one thing that made this so unbelievable," said Humphrey, who plans to enrol in the University of New Orleans to pursue a masters degree in minority politics.

"It's not something you expect in this day and age."

Humphrey and McKay said they would consult the U.S. Justice Department about filing a discrimination complaint.
ACLU calls for probe

The American Civil Liberties Union in Louisiana said it has written to the Louisiana Judicial Commission to call for an official investigation into Bartlett.

"It is really astonishing and disappointing at any time, but especially in 2009," said ACLU Legal Director Katie Schwartzmann. "The Supreme Court ruled as far back as 1963 that the government cannot tell people who they can and cannot marry on the basis of race."

The ACLU recommended "the most severe sanctions available, because such blatant bigotry poses a substantial threat of serious harm to the administration of justice."

"He knew he was breaking the law, but continued to do it," Schwartzmann said.
With files from The Associated Press

I'm just wondering how long it will be until "certain segments" begin yelling that this is about "playing the race card", not a "race issue".

After all, he did say...

"I'm not a racist... I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."


or a 1st Amendment right because he...

...just don't believe in mixing the races that way,"...

Or... He's really just a good-hearted humanitarian because...

"I think those children suffer and I won't help put them through it,"

I would say that I can't believe that this still happens in 2009, but I'm not really all that surprised.
 Twister239

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Posted: 10/16/2009 7:44:23 PM
Whats this going on in this world ?
First we have a soup nazi on jerry
now a marriage nazi...
I smell a CT
 cotter

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Posted: 10/16/2009 8:16:49 PM
Oh dear ... I wonder what the JP would have done with me?

I'm 3rd & 5th generation German, with a fraction of English and from what I know, 1/16th Native American.

What race would I be allowed to get married to?

Will anyone want me, knowing that I'm mixed? Oh dear ...


I would say that I can't believe that this still happens in 2009, but I'm not really all that surprised.
With all this public outcry against anything our current President is doing ... you just know it has to be racially oriented. So something like this doesn't surprise me at all. It appears to be the thing to do these days.

Being racist has found it's "rebirth"?
 Dasein2

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Posted: 10/16/2009 8:20:31 PM
I heard this was the 4th time he's done this too. Amazing he still has a job.
 SaharaM

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Posted: 10/16/2009 8:24:55 PM

With all this public outcry against anything our current President is doing ... you just know it has to be racially oriented.
Of COURSE race plays into it for some... but this is just a gross overgeneralization that makes matters worse.

There is no "rebirth" of racism. It is not new. I think we are continuing to make progress. We're feeling some growing pains, but we continue to move in a positive direction in this regard.
 r90sboxer

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Posted: 10/16/2009 8:57:17 PM

I heard this was the 4th time he's done this too. Amazing he still has a job.


That being the case....why is it just now the fan has large brown chunks flying thru the blades?Isn't it odd we are just having this made public?
 Outsideofthemiddle

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Posted: 10/16/2009 9:14:05 PM
That being the case....why is it just now the fan has large brown chunks flying thru the blades?Isn't it odd we are just having this made public?


Because a “certain segment”, who controls most of the mainstream media, is once again trying to paint the racist picture on another “certain segment”. Still trying to cover up their past of putting segregation laws into place, starting the KKK and so on. For an example just look below, and note who was the first to start pointing the “racist finger” at a “certain segment”.


I'm just wondering how long it will be until "certain segments" begin yelling that this is about "playing the race card", not a "race issue".


As far as the story goes, this guy should get his ass fired. And people wonder why I have no faith in the system and those who work within it.
 JWG86

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Posted: 10/16/2009 9:51:53 PM
The judge is correct about the abuse people endure in many cases in my area (Northern LA) due to mixed-race relations, however, I feel that that is between them, not them and the judge. I do not know the judge so I don't know if he is racist or not, however, he is refusing to perform a civil duty that he was elected to perform. He is not doing his job and should be replaced with someone who will. This would be like a gas-station attendant in NJ refusing to fill the tank of my WS6 because "Sports cars are more likely to get you a ticket". True sometimes...but I didn't ask for your advice or help in that matter.
 r90sboxer

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Posted: 10/16/2009 9:54:14 PM

Because a “certain segment”, who controls most of the mainstream media, is once again trying to paint the racist picture on another “certain segment”.



This is so damn funny.......guess what.....YouTube exists in this modern day and age.....and so does....uh...uh....oh yeah....blogs and local papers and....well.....lots of avenues for this to make the public eye without that "certain segment" catching on.
Is he wrong?Maybe.....maybe not.Is it his 4th time?Maybe...maybe not.
 Outsideofthemiddle

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Posted: 10/16/2009 10:58:41 PM
What's with everyone calling everyone a Nazi. First the Left refered to Bush as a Nazi for aight years. Now the right is refering to Obama as a Nazi. And here we have this fellow.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/oh-boy-noam-chomsky-compares-right-wing-media-to-nazis/
The Marriage NAZI ... No Mixed-Marriage for You.
Posted: 10/17/2009 2:30:32 AM
Outsideofthemiddle .... Thank you for raising the matter...

OP... I have searched various news sources including the Daily Kos and Huffington Post that i'm sure you will identify with...

NOWHERE COULD I FIND... "THE MARRIAGE NAZI"

Question OP.. Does Judge Keith Bardwell , wear a brown shirt and swastikas, goose step, have a picture of Adolf Hitler in his court room, send non ayreans to forced labour camps or gas chambers, summarily execute those that disagree with him, and at the end of the day goes home and plays happy families without any conscience of evil doing?

Have you or your familiy lived under NAZI oppression?

Not only is your thread title an insult to the Judge, but a bigger insult to all the victims that suffered at the hand of NAZI oppression...

GODWIN'S LAW prevails again
 OpenWaterCaptn

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Posted: 10/17/2009 5:01:54 AM

Bardwell refused to marry them, instead suggesting the couple go to another justice of the peace in the parish, who did agree to marry them


he may have told them he would not, but he didnt say they could not either...its the same as a minister refusing to marry any couple for not taking the church's marital classes and passing. he has his beliefs and so do the faith ministers/rabbi's marry with.
 SaharaM

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Posted: 10/17/2009 5:27:50 AM

he may have told them he would not, but he didnt say they could not either...its the same as a minister refusing to marry any couple for not taking the church's marital classes and passing. he has his beliefs and so do the faith ministers/rabbi's marry with.
No, it's not the same. One is church, one is state. Not the same at all.
 WesternWildRose

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Posted: 10/17/2009 5:30:47 AM
Well I am not sure what sort of credentials you require to be a JP.

Do they have to take an Oath of some sort to hold up any Constitutional Laws/Rights like a judge or lawyer? I doubt it.

I was in a mix race marriage for 24 years.... no one in either of our families objected to the mix..... hell...they just didn't want us getting married at all.....we were too young they felt.

When my sister got married in 1976 there was a lot of objection.... her father in law to be was rather racists and I know my family were against the marriage too.
Ya....she ended up getting divorced.... he found religion and went off the deep end.
I remember at the time hearing the phrase used over and over...think about if you have kids.... how people will treat your kids.
Her kids?...well they look Caucasian... no one questions their heritage.


I don't know what this fellas thinking is exactly... I don't know what the demographics are in his little community. If there are a lot of bi-racial marriages.... or there is a problem with racism in the community...I am not defending his actions...but I have certainly been there....and know that there is some negative attitudes about bi-racial marriages especially if there is a difference in colour/appearance.

ie.. my kids look very Caucasian....no one questions this... until they see me with them...and most of the time I get asked if I am their nanny.
My small town I guess not so many visibly bi-racial unions.

ie... my best friends kids are in their 40s now.... and are visibly mixed race...their mom is Black from Jamaica, their dad Caucasian Irish dude from the US. Her kids get asked all the time where they are from....why does that happen?..they were both born in the US....they are American.
 cotter

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Posted: 10/17/2009 6:53:25 AM

What's with everyone calling everyone a Nazi. First the Left refered to Bush as a Nazi for aight years. Now the right is refering to Obama as a Nazi. And here we have this fellow.
LMAO ... 28-year old poster who is probably too young to remember the Soup Nazi on Seinfeld ... very funny guy who would deny a person soup ... for no good reason. Just as this JP apparently feels he can deny people a mixed marriage ... for no good reason.


Question OP.. Does Judge Keith Bardwell , wear a brown shirt and swastikas, goose step, have a picture of Adolf Hitler in his court room, send non ayreans to forced labour camps or gas chambers, summarily execute those that disagree with him, and at the end of the day goes home and plays happy families without any conscience of evil doing?

Have you or your familiy lived under NAZI oppression?

Not only is your thread title an insult to the Judge, but a bigger insult to all the victims that suffered at the hand of NAZI oppression...
Good grief ... settle down already!!! See the "Nazi" explanation above.

It is sort of "Nazi" of the guy. I lived with many people who did grow up and live under Nazi oppression and it seemed to them (at the time) that the Nazi's never really needed a good reason to do the things they did.

But this guy is breaking the law by denying them their rights. Someone needs to tell him (as if no one has said it to him ever) "The job doesn't call for making moral judgments on others."
 itechman63

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Posted: 10/17/2009 7:59:57 AM
I do know of Pastors that have refused to marry couples after talking with them because they are to marry couples that they feel are entering into a holy marriage. If they feel the marriage won't last or isn't based on genuine love, they'll refuse to preside over the ceremony. I had some friends who after meeting with their chosen pastor, the pastor refused to marry them. They did find one that would, they had a beautiful wedding, and then they lasted just under 2 years.

Socially where I live, racism isn't a big deal... there's some as there always will be... but overall most people don't think twice about a mixed couple nor treat them differently. But I've talked to a few of these couples that are friends and they all say that if they knew what was awaiting their mixed children, they would not have married or would not have had children. That surprised me for where we live but apparently it is a fact that children born of a mixed marriage have it especially hard. Imagine in the deep south what it could be like.

And that's what this JP stated was his reasoning... not that it was an interracial couple influencing his decision but that he feels he is saving their eventual children from what awaits them. He may be misguided but just as with pastors that feel a responsibility to only enter couples into holy unions, a JP also is afforded a responsibility to make judgments that it is going to be a valid union. Much like they could refuse to marry a couple that is obviously entering into a marriage of convenience such as for immigration purposes. It is not unusual for them to refuse to wed these couples and it's never mentioned in the media.

Things really do go deeper than the headlines and right or wrong a JP can refuse to marry people based on their personal beliefs without breaking any laws or violating social attitudes.
 SAguy_06

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Posted: 10/17/2009 8:17:50 AM

he may have told them he would not, but he didnt say they could not either...its the same as a minister refusing to marry any couple for not taking the church's marital classes and passing. he has his beliefs and so do the faith ministers/rabbi's marry with.


One small difference...the clergy is not bound by the Constitution. The JP is a instrument of the State. The JP might have used the very big loop hole, "I'm not required to marry you, I am given permission to marry you"; but like the ole say in Louisanna goes...That Dog dont Hunt- no more.

As a JP , and feeling not obligated to preform marriage which give him consternation, it may be up to the People of Louisanna to relieve him of his duties.
 mungojoe

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Posted: 10/17/2009 8:51:33 AM
What's with everyone calling everyone a Nazi.

Ummm... because , as a title, I considered it a humorous play on Jerry's "soup NAZI"...

NOWHERE COULD I FIND... "THE MARRIAGE NAZI"

Question OP.. Does Judge Keith Bardwell , wear a brown shirt and swastikas, goose step, have a picture of Adolf Hitler in his court room, send non ayreans to forced labour camps or gas chambers, summarily execute those that disagree with him, and at the end of the day goes home and plays happy families without any conscience of evil doing?

Have you or your familiy lived under NAZI oppression?

Not only is your thread title an insult to the Judge, but a bigger insult to all the victims that suffered at the hand of NAZI oppression...

GODWIN'S LAW prevails again

I guess it's true, you just can't buy a sense of humour... Either you are born with it or you are born conservative.

But, if you do find it used then let me know 'cause I'm planning on copyrighting it.

he may have told them he would not, but he didnt say they could not either...its the same as a minister refusing to marry any couple for not taking the church's marital classes and passing. he has his beliefs and so do the faith ministers/rabbi's marry with.

Geez, it only took 12 posts to get to the first hint of "it's his 1st amendment right"

Ummm... Sorry dude, but he is a PUBLIC OFFICIAL performing a PUBLIC DUTY, not a private person performing a private ceremony.

So, as much as the right try to claim that institutional racism no longer exists in America, some seem to be very eager to reinstate it as a "1st Amendment right".
 Dasein2

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Posted: 10/17/2009 8:59:20 AM
Best of the Soup Nazi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2lfZg-apSA
 winteragain

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Posted: 10/17/2009 9:03:15 AM
what we need here is an actual half black/half white person saying "I am happy, and I am confident in my identity about who I am and my place in this world" in order to refute this pastor. Any other race combination will not suffice
 wudger

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Posted: 10/17/2009 9:04:02 AM

a JP also is afforded a responsibility to make judgments that it is going to be a valid union. Much like they could refuse to marry a couple that is obviously entering into a marriage of convenience such as for immigration purposes. It is not unusual for them to refuse to wed these couples and it's never mentioned in the media.



you want to explain just what wasn't a valid about this union? the fact that there are people who can't see the difference between not marrying somebody because of immigrations status (not that I've ever heard of such a thing and I seriously doubt there are any examples) explains a lot about race relations in the US.

that whole premise there is absurd.
 mungojoe

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Posted: 10/17/2009 9:13:27 AM
what we need here is an actual half black/half white person saying "I am happy, and I am confident in my identity about who I am and my place in this world" in order to refute this pastor.

Anyone know the email address for the White House? Maybe, send an "invite"?
 mungojoe

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Posted: 10/17/2009 9:53:21 AM

NOWHERE COULD I FIND... "THE MARRIAGE NAZI"

Question OP.. Does Judge Keith Bardwell , wear a brown shirt and swastikas, goose step, have a picture of Adolf Hitler in his court room, send non ayreans to forced labour camps or gas chambers, summarily execute those that disagree with him, and at the end of the day goes home and plays happy families without any conscience of evil doing?

Oh yes, and just a little point I forgot to include regarding this...

You DO know that inter-racial marriages were illegal in NAZI Germany, don't you?

You DO know that this was a question of "racial hygiene" and "racial purity" which the NAZI's were VERY concerned with, don't you?

Next time you wish to reference 'Godwin's Law'... you may want to be certain that the practice under question wasn't ACTUALLY a matter of policy and law under nazism first.
 itechman63

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Posted: 10/17/2009 10:14:59 AM

you want to explain just what wasn't a valid about this union? the fact that there are people who can't see the difference between not marrying somebody because of immigrations status (not that I've ever heard of such a thing and I seriously doubt there are any examples) explains a lot about race relations in the US.

that whole premise there is absurd.


Pick and choose all you want and not see that I wasn't calling the interracial couple an "invalid" union. For remedial readers and those that refuse to look at all sides of a story, the theme is that the decision by a JP based upon his/her job description is up to his/her discretion.

I'm not saying I agree with this particular JP at all and I think it's unfortunate, but a JP, Pastor, or a Priest can and do decline based on age differences of the petitioners, backgrounds of the petitioners, his/her personal beliefs, and even impressions of the parties requesting. None are required to grant anyone a wedding.
 want to travel

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Posted: 10/17/2009 12:40:56 PM
things like this only happen in islamic states and the USA, interesting fact is both have an abundance of violence, think sex is dirty,and do not have universal health care
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