| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 8:49:43 AM | reading this article and listening to it on jeremy vine show, and thought here we go the next installment for the pc brigade to get there mitts on.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8314125.stm
do we discriminate due to fat-ism? do they deserve an equality tag like the disabled and ethnics? or is this just a way of life and making unhealthy measures seen to be acceptable?
my own view is that its upto employers to employ who they want, and be done on qualifications and experience. but there are some jobs where obese people shouldnt be employed as danger for the public and there own health. after all if a job involes people being relied on for safety would you want someone whose a walking or wheezing heart attack ready to happen? | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 8:58:41 AM | no.. surely the gingers come first... you can still get away with slagging the gingers hehe not that it bothers me, i know more ginger jokes than most.
ahem.. back on thread.
fat people.. by fat i'm sure were defining the seriously obease, rather than those with a lil extra poundage on. being fat is a lifestyle choice, i know some people will argue that their are illnesses that can cause weight gain, but seriously, eating is still a choice,
i admit, i've put a bit on, i'm over 13 stone, up from just over 12, so i'm starting to eat less and excercise. this should help it.
it should be exactly up to employers at all occasions. they should not be forced to put x quantity of obese people on the books.
cheers | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 8:58:45 AM | Sounds like a hotbed for claims.
I'm gonna get myself supersized then apply for a job as a model, if they don't give me the job I'm going to sue them for fat-ism 
Hang on a minute, where's that fat dancing banana? That's fat-ism too! | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:02:59 AM | I dont really care
People can do whatever they want with their bodies, doesnt affect me
Only annoys me when huge people expect the NHS to dish out surgery to help them.
It aint rocket science
Your fat because you eat too much and you dont exercise.
You havent got a disease
It doesnt run in your family
Your just fat.
Exercise.
Though skinny people are just as bad
"I have an eating disorder"
"I throw up my meals"
Get a grip.
Bones arent attractive
Vomit breath and bad teeth aint attractive
Your hair falling out and acne aint attractive
Eat some food. | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:04:10 AM | The appropriate person for the job, if health and size are a factor in being able to complete their duties it should be factor and allowed to decline an applicant on those grounds.
do we discriminate due to fat-ism?
Yes, but not just due to size but level of attractiveness too but is a fact of life and is most subconscious anyway and hard to prove.
do they deserve an equality tag like the disabled and ethnics?
Everybody should be treated equally in terms of level of respect and be given equality. You shouldn't be given allowances though because of your size and if your size disadvantages you that is unfortunate but unlike disabled you have a choice in the main.
or is this just a way of life and making unhealthy measures seen to be acceptable?
Sorry badge don't understand this question? | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:16:21 AM | maybe i worded it a bit wrong pud, what im trying to say is, are they making being obese acceptable and even a role model like status?
quite rightly other posters have said about others, such as ginger  but is this the thin end of the wedge? no pun! but is there gonna be no end to this? soon employers will be scared to even do interviews for people in the flesh, so to speak, without people running off to the courts saying its discrimination due to so and so.
was only using the term ginger as an example pud lol before the game on saturday the team wore kick out racism tops, we might change it to gingerism next week when we play the dingles lol. i dont rate sidwell to much, as would rather have gardner or delph imho but thats for the prem thread. | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:24:58 AM | Obesity is a huge(no pun intended) problem and should never be made to be acceptable and elevated in status but like other disorders the suffer shouldn't be made to feel inferior and should be given the same opportunities as skinnier people.
Employers though are quite well protected when it comes to not accepting applicants and this is more that they can't tell someone they haven't got the job because of their size even if that is the reason.
Badge if they didn't gingers jobs Villa would have to sack Collins and Sidwell and with Reo****r peeing Martin off you need Sidwell badly. | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:36:32 AM | I doubt whether fattism will ever make it onto the statute books as a 'PC' issue. Fat people cost the NHS a huge amount of unneccessary expenditure each year - money which could be better spent on better facilities for the elderly, disabled or in finding treatments for MS or cancer. It is also difficult to avoid practical prejudices in employing fat people where a job requires mobility, bending, picking things from the floor, working in confined spaces etc. Fat people can also cost more - I had a fat person work for me who would 'knacker' a chair in 3-4 months where the average person's seat would last 2-4 years.
The government is actively discouraging obesity - why should it pass concessions making prejudice against it illegal? As said above, being fat is a lifestyle choice. | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 9:48:45 AM |
I had a fat person work for me who would 'knacker' a chair in 3-4 months where the average person's seat would last 2-4 years.
But if they were better at their jobs than a skinnier person they could of saved you a fortune and the cost of a chair would then be negligible? I also know very fat people who have the same work chair for years and the chairs you bought wouldn't even last 2 for a skinny person? You may need to spend more on your chairs.
The government is actively discouraging obesity - why should it pass concessions making prejudice against it illegal? As said above, being fat is a lifestyle choice.
The Government is rightly discouraging obesity for a lot of the reasons that you mentioned for the health costs to them and health care costs to the NHS but that is more about children and future generations and changing their attitudes towards food and exercise so the next generation is healthier and more active.
The current generation still need to work and provide an income and need protection or they will sit at home getting bigger and me and you paying for it. | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 10:20:11 AM | | iv got one bollock bigger than the other..if people take the piss out of me..i wonder if i can take them to court and get aload of compo for being a victim of bollockism..? | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 10:42:43 AM |
It aint rocket science
Your fat because you eat too much and you dont exercise.
You havent got a disease
It doesnt run in your family
Your just fat.
actually you are wrong there. Once a person becomes morbidly obese there is only about a 10% probability that they will ever be able to lose weight and keep it of. Once they reach what is called super morbidly obese, this probability drops to around 5%.
Weight issues CAN run in families............myself and my 3 daughters all have Poly-cystic Ovary Syndrome......which makes losing weight extremely difficult and keeping it off nigh on impossible.
I'm not going to get into the whole ......."stop eating pies" debate here again as it's pointless. Since the birth of my first child at the age of 20 I have probably lost a total of 2o stone, using a combination of diets, drugs, exercise, slimming clubs etc.etc. So please don't lecture me on "how easy" it is to lose weight.
Unless you have actually tried to live in the world as a fat person you really have no idea what it feels like. I am by no means the fattest person in the world at a size 22 but to be told by the company that provides our corporate shirts at work that I would have to wear a man's shirt because they don't make women's blouses over a size 18 is a disgrace!
If a person's size means they are physically unfit for a job fair enough, but size should not be used as a means to discrimate against anyone! | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 11:26:14 AM | Pigeon....
You are wrong, my friend is overweight, due to bad diet and lack of exercise? no!
She has a health problem that caused her mass weight gain among other things!
And i was at the other end of the scale...the skinny ones you talk about, it wasn't due to not eating it was due to illness!
But in both cases, fat or skinny people judge and point fingers, jump to mindless conclusions and punish us for it.
Personally i think that any person should be taken on in a job for their own merits, their size should not be an issue, if the job calls for a level of fitness then everyone should have the same tests done to see if they are up to it, if not fair enough. | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 11:37:27 AM | I work with weight loss and I can assure you the diet is not the only reason people can't lose weight. There are many factors that contribute towards it, if there weren't I wouldn't be so successful in helping them. It's so sad when ignorant people make assumptions about others because it causes bigotry.
Being fat CAN be caused by laziness, overeating etc BUT it can also be caused by many other factors.
I'd say that fat-ism is here already. As proven by one or two posters above. Should it be protected by the pc brigade? That, I think is a very slippery slope, because there are good reasons for an obese candidate to be turned down for a job so it could be open to abuse. BUT as with all bigotry and ignorance, education is the most important thing. | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 11:43:12 AM | People who are overweight should not be subject to discrimination. Fair enough if the job requires a certain level of fitness, then the person would have to be fit enough, but size does not always indicate fittness. I am fat, but I am not a wheezing heart attack waiting to happen. I used to cycle everywhere until my bike was nicked, now I walk, I go hill walking on occasion and am generally quite active. Maybe I'm not as fit as some, but there are some skinny people I know are not as fit as me.
And for those who say being fat is a lifestyle choice, for some maybe if they made themselves fat as adults, but what about people like me who had a weight problem from a young age (I was around 8 when the weight gain started) I had no idea what comfort eating would do to me, but once you start it is hard to stop. Kind of like an addiction, not physical but mental addiction. Those eating patterns are not easy to break.
And before anyone says it, I am doing something about it now, but it takes a long time to break the habits of a lifetime, much harder than stopping smoking. | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 11:47:26 AM |
Your fat because you eat too much and you dont exercise.
You havent got a disease
It doesnt run in your family
Explain then how I have one chubby daughter and one very slim daughter who eat exactly the same meals and have the same amount of daily exercise? | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 12:31:45 PM | Oy Msg 3 leave the gingers alone. You are jealous because you can not have such a lovely mane of hair like us gingers do.
As for fatism no freaken way do they deserve equality, what pisses me off is watching these programmes about help i cant get into a size 18 and what do they do, sit and stuff their faces with take away foods. If you are fat it is down to your own damn right laziness, there is a minority due to hormonal imbalance or thyroid problems but majority is due to fast food culture and not eating a healthy balance diet. | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 12:58:04 PM |
As for fatism no freaken way do they deserve equality
So if your fat you should be treated as a second class citizen?
If there was a fat person perfectly suitable for the job but someone skinnier who was less able should get the job ahead of them? | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 1:36:13 PM | Folk who eat too much, smoke until their lungs rot, or drink so much they end up in hospital (with a dead liver or a 'Friday night injury') can always stop, eh?
Oh, and I've been guilty of being fat, smoking (a lot!) and drinking too much over the years. | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 2:41:49 PM |
for fatism no freaken way do they deserve equality, what pisses me off is watching these programmes about help i cant get into a size 18 and what do they do, sit and stuff their faces with take away foods. If you are fat it is down to your own damn right laziness
some people's ignorance is astounding! | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 2:57:05 PM | Corporate workwear companies supply the demand they are told to cater for. If they don't produce sizes over 18 because the demand is low, it's a commercial decision: It's not 'a disgrace' - particularly if an employer has offered a solution that is acceptable to them. My ex wife was 6'2" and had problems buying jeans, trousers, tights etc because of her leg length - she worked round things, got on with it and managed to look attractive. She also accepted having to wear ugly male safety shoes when necessary at work - because the female styles weren't produced in her size.
Polycystic ovary syndrome.
"Being overweight increases the risk of developing symptoms, so women are advised to determine their ideal weight and maintain it.
Losing just five to ten per cent of body weight may be all that's needed to correct the hormonal imbalance, thus restoring ovulation and fertility, and helping improve acne and hirsutism." BBC.co.uk | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 3:06:59 PM | Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome, or PCOS, affects women of all ages. Women with PCOS often report gaining an unusual amount of weight over a short period of time. Most of those women carry the extra weight around their waist. This rapid weight gain is especially frustrating since it often occurs despite a diligent diet and exercise routine. Rapid weight gain in women with PCOS is linked to insulin resistance, a sustained high level of insulin in the bloodstream
http://womenshealth.suite101.com/article.cfm/polycystic_ovarian_syndrome_rapid_weight_gain
as for corporate clothing not being made in sizes over 18 due to lack of demand....if that's true...why is there so much hype in the news every day about this so called weight epidemic? We can't turn on our tv or log on to a forum without someone going on about the number of fat people around? Do none of them work? | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 3:08:35 PM | We need some limits here - Can someone give me a finite definition of "overweight" "obese" or "fat" or "normal" weights and sizes ?
Because if we are going to discriminate against the overweight, we should have a firm set of rules to say who we can insult / complain about , and who are exempt from such biggotry........ | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 3:36:10 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Calculate your BMI - Body Mass Index from this link
http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/
Healthy Weight Has a BMI of between 18.5 - 24.9 | |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 3:36:35 PM | do we discriminate due to fat-ism?
Yes, and why the hell not - it's a lifestyle choice, so why shouldn't it be used to analyse someone?
Sure a lot of people have health problems, we have quite a few at my workplace who are seriously obsese and go on about health - but all of their problems have been brought about by being porky pigs, not the other way around.
Calculate your BMI - Body Mass Index from this link
BMI is completely and utterly meaningless...
| |
|
| fat-ism, the next one for the pc brigade?
Posted: 10/19/2009 3:39:21 PM | | fattism though is going to based entirely on looks and not whether someone is within their bmi or not. It is entirely subjective and how someone carries their weight and whether it suits them or not. | |
|
Home
login 
