| CSA Have Reared Their Ugly Head
Posted: 10/24/2009 6:25:21 AM | I have been contacted by the Child Support Agency saying I owe then 19 grand and threatening legal action
The last contact I had with them was 8 years ago when my son was 15 saying I owed them nothing as my ex had stopped claiming DHSS. I only paid a small amount into the agency before this as I was paying cash to my ex
Has anyone ever had problems with them?
and can they do this?
should I ignore them?
Whay is the legal time-scale before debt is written off?
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| CSA Have Reared Their Ugly Head
Posted: 10/24/2009 6:32:11 AM | | In my experience the only way they will drop it is if your ex tells them too, which she can even if shes on benefits, as the law has changed with regards to benefits and csa, good luck x | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 6:44:09 AM | | No you can not ignore them ,,If your x was not declaring the cash you were giving her ,you will have to pay the arrears ,i had a man on my shift a couple of years ago and he had been paying cash to his x she had not been declaring it ,so they classed he had never paid and he owned them money ,the law might have changed from 5 years ago ,they took money out of his wages to pay it back the man was pushed pretty much to the edge of a break down .all i can say is if you work for a firm for a few weeks do no overtime the send a payslip to CSA with least amount of monthly pay on and say this is all i have to manage on ,I think your x might drop her self in the shit if she tells them she was getting cash if she has not declared it | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 6:55:00 AM | did you get on with your ex? as sounds like shes got you over the barrel so to speak, as presum you never made her a receipt book? shes not gonna admit to having cash she would then get done for fraud, tbh theres so many women doing it like that and men quite happy to pay, which with out a receipt book is a bit silly.
edit, the government does pimp. as they say, and correctly say they have given your ex and kids benefits etc. whilst she has collected both sets of cash. | |
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| CSA Have Reared Their Ugly Head
Posted: 10/24/2009 6:58:54 AM | I would drop down with shock if this bunch of useless fools managed to get any money from anyone. My ex owes me £42000 for our daughter who is now 19. They never got any significant sum from him despite knowing where he was the whole time. I wouldnt lose any sleep over it Pimp. You could always do what my ex did and pay £1.30 a week. No idea how he got away with being allowed to pay so little when he was in full time work. I never even bothered banking the cheques.  | |
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| CSA Have Reared Their Ugly Head
Posted: 10/24/2009 8:02:35 AM | | I wouldnt worry too much.The CSA are a pile of cr@p at the best of times.They just wrote off many several £1000's that my ex gf's ex husband owed her for their son.He is loaded and no f'in wonder if they are slacking like that. | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 8:15:44 AM | A friend of mine is in the middle of an acrimonuous divorce, and his wife tried to get more money off him, even though he already is paying her a generous maintenance, and his kids do not go short of anything. He looks after them Thursday to Saturday every week, an additional night every other week.
She reported him to the CSA, hoping to get them on her side and get more money. He submitted all bankstatements clearly showing when and how much he paid to his wife for the children. The CSA got to work on the calculations and informed him he had paid her £ 60 per month too much! They informed his wife she had been overpaid, and they advised my friend to adjust his payments to her accordingly.
He has done so and now buys things for the kids directly, as she spends most of the maintenance herself, although it is difficult to prove and therefore he makes minimum payments as advised by the CSA.
They do get it right sometimes!
If you have done your payments electronically or kept receipts, you should be fine. If you haven't, you've been rather foolish and unless your ex is prepared to make an official statement, you're pretty much screwed. | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 9:15:37 AM | | Its worth speaking to the CSA and maybe to Citizens Advice, i have a friend who was taken to court by the CSA he had always made promt and regular payments as set out by the CSA and then they sent him a letter saying they had made a mistake with his payment amount and he owes i think it was £4000, so he told them to fook off and that it was their mistake and they took him to court. | |
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| CSA Have Reared Their Ugly Head
Posted: 10/24/2009 10:09:02 AM | Sounds like you're in the same boat as me pimp......
Basically............We're both screwed. Unless you can prove payment has been made we dont have a leg to stand on.....
If you can prove it, and she's been claiming full benefit entitlement, she'll be prosecuted for fraud.
The money wont go to her.........Always to the state.
When Women say their ex 'owes' them money, it's rarely the case. The state has already paid them by form of benefit. So in actuality their ex owes the state.
And they fully intend to get paid. Either by you because you cant prove it or by her because of her fraud.
The only way out is to either give up working and live on benefits for the rest of your life. Or go self employed and hide as much of your earnings as you can. If they start docking my wages, i fully intend on returning to self employment......I've always paid my way in life and for my daughter. No way in hell will i pay the same bill twice. I'd sooner go to jail. | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 10:32:18 AM | I would go online and do some research on this if I was you. Or seek the advice of "professionals". My experience with them wasn't good. My ex insisted on doing it through them from the start, which I was slightly offended by, as I probably would have paid her more directly. I found them to be quite unreasonable, for example, the flat I was living in was included in my business rent, and so was very cheap. They decided that I was earning 7k pA more, based on the "market value" and so worked everything out on what they think you're getting, even if you're not.
And they take it straight from your bank account.
The CSA have had lots of problems, and I know that many people have not been pursued, but once they know where you are, it would be very difficult to 'escape', and would require expensive plastic surgery, eye transplants, a sex change, and a witness-protection relocation to a different country with a new name and identity.
I don't know what their "powers" would be with arrears as I always stayed up to date, but there were times, when my business was going under, that they only left me with just enough blood to remain conscious.
I certainly wouldn't advise you to" ignore them"...
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Posted: 10/24/2009 2:24:35 PM | | i wouldnt worry about it pimp, but certainly dont ignore it, even paying cash it should still be done under a legal written document signed by both parents. this shows that both partys agree to cash and that it is being declared her end. go see a solicitor. and sleep easy fella you have nothing to worry about, looks like she does though. defrauding the benefit system. | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 2:53:59 PM | Well, guys. I am not claiming benefits and I do have an ex that owes me money. I work and have 3 kids and my self employed ex can't seem to agree to pay the £50 a week the CSA have asked for. It's not a lot, is it? But now they are set to take him to court and I can't believe that the man I had children with is happy to be classed as a 'non-payer'.
I never forecast that scenario 14 years ago. | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 6:02:58 PM |
my self employed ex can't seem to agree to pay the £50 a week
I sympathise cupid......
These kinds of threads are always very ambiguous..........I must confess, during my previous life, when my daughter was still under the age of 18, 50 quid a week would have been an enormous dent in my weekly wage. But for some, that same 50 quid would have been a mere pinprick.
I've always paid what i considered to be a reasonable amount. During the course of her growing up, i'd even raised the amount myself, It was never an enormous amount per se....And probably only made a small dent in the cost of raising a child when you take into account all factors......
But i did always pay my way, supporting my child is something i never saw as a burden, she's my daughter!
I'd always tried my best to maintain a decent relationship with her Mother. I found her to be vindictive, annoying, spiteful and resentful........I took this on the chin, in my mind....emotional support will always outweigh financial support. In the mind of the CSA its always financial. And so it should be. They're trying to save the government money...............Our money!
They werent set up for a moral crusade to try and make absent parents be better, it was purely financial.
I received a bill around 10 years ago for 14,000 quid. It was then i knew that my daughters Mother hadnt declared what i was paying her to the state.
Where do i go from there? Do i insist my payment? Do i sit back while her Mother gets investigated for fraud (which could carry a jail sentence) Do i do all these things knowing that it will turn my own flesh and blood against me.
No.......
I've not seen her in 3 years. My poison dwarf of an ex has ensured this has happened. Because when she turned 16, i had an unfortunate accident which left me on incapacity benefit for 3 years and her blood sucking leech of a Mother lied her backside off and has landed me with a bill of well in excess of 30 grand.
Bitter? Yes i am. When my daughter explodes on me (possibly) with all her built up venom and anger at what she see's as my abandonment of her, i'll still be muggins who sits back and takes the blame for everything. Maybe i'll have finished my jail sentence by then for 'non-payment' and i can start rebuilding my life sad in the knowledge that my only child hates me, but happy in the knowledge that i always did the best i can...........It might not have been great, but it was always my best effort.
Ah well.........Theres always beer and Portsmouth Football Club to console myself with | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 6:29:50 PM | Contact"families need fathers", FNF, get a mackenzie friend , or a good barrister, go to their meetings they are technically sound and not a bunch of weirdos
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Posted: 10/24/2009 6:51:46 PM | Well do we really need Families need fathers !!!!! we just need fathers that support their off spring, it wasnt me that walked out and left on Christmas day and turned his back on his two sons age 6mths and 18mths and shacked up with a better offer, me Bitter yes i bloody well am  im now due in court on Wednesday has he has the cheek to take me to court to sort out his access and guess what hes repersenting himself !!! and im having the pay legal aid bill of £5000 and counting !!!! and his not paid a cent in maintance since last November and the CSA is waste of time guess what his self employed and his current wife(yes he has had 3 and no one those is not including me thank god had the sense not to marry him) is working , how do these men sleep at night ..............or women | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 2:18:09 AM | anyone representing themselfs in court will just be laughed at by your legal team.
ive regualy paid for my 2 daughters,allways have and allways will. but ive ever only paid cash because thats all my x will except,(we was on friendly terms then)i tried getting her to let me do it direct debit,or cheque, she wont sign for the cash and will also only except a cheque in her mum or dads name. when i said ok ill get a legal form drawn up for which either your mum or dad can sign proving im paying a cheque in there name on your behalve she shit a brick. its obvious she has not been declaring any of the money.
i am selfemployed, and in noway shying of any payments, the csa will only work out my average earnings and take it from that. jolly good let them, because they will also take into account me buying a £4000 car for my x to ferry my daughters about in, me also having to buy a car also to collect my daughters. i do feel sorry for anyone who does not get any financial help from there childrens other parent, but also feel anyone not declaring what they are being paid deserves to get done for fraud. | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 3:37:17 AM | Thanx for the tips, i think im gonna deal with this head on. It's up to them to prove I owe them the money and they wont get it until they can
- they can prie it from my cold, dead fingers or send me to prison - i'm not paying just because they are incompetent | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 3:41:33 AM | | Although I love kids (my nieces and nephews), this thread is just another great advert for condoms ;). | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 5:03:22 AM | one wonders how much fraud is in the system? if i had my way i would force every partnership, and pregnancy to watch jeremy kyle for a good 6 wks as shows the dangers of not providing for the kids by both parents. plus he tells every man to set up a bank account in the childs name to show payments for when situations happen like in the o.p.
the worrying part is that its the taxpayer who has to sort it out and provide the benefits. wonders how much the csa is costing as in set up fees and of cause retrieving the cash, and what percentage of single parents are keeping the allowence they get in cash quiet thus defrauding the taxpayer. | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 5:48:19 AM | there is more fraud going on than anyone will ever know, i also have bank accounts in each of my daughters names, i regually put money in there/as do all my family come the girls birthdays/xmas etc. Theese accounts are for there future, they will be given it when they turn 18yrs old. All my property and belonings are left to my daughters in my will. i have paid the exact amount to my x each month so id just get bank statements showing that each month ive withdrawn x amount of £s to which she received, we are not all jeremy kyle show material  i do come from a respectful family, parents probably essex"s biggest new car dealerships, 2 brothers who are barristers and a sister working for bank of new york. so my x is either very brave or stupid to try and have the csa on me. | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 6:22:04 AM |
the worrying part is that its the taxpayer who has to sort it out and provide the benefits. wonders how much the csa is costing as in set up fees and of cause retrieving the cash, and what percentage of single parents are keeping the allowence they get in cash quiet thus defrauding the taxpayer.
You know, not every couple that splits has the parent with care on state benefits.
Not every absent parent is a perfect payer ensuring that the children of the union receive the right financial and emotional support to fill the gap caused by their leaving.
Sometimes, the parent with care is left in schtuck, sometimes the absent parent couldn't give a tinker's cuss about the children, they're written off along with the relationship.
According to the CSA, the average absent parent stops paying and loses contact in about two years. For those kids, that's a big message that the absent parent doesn't care about them. For the parent with care, that's a big hole in the finances.
Those absent parents generally start new relationships, forming new families, whether or not they can afford to support their existing families as well as the new one. It's usually the old family that has to bear the cost when the absent parent stops paying.
A friend of mine has an ex that has paid up every month for the 10 years they've been split, has their daughter every other weekend without fail, even takes her away on holiday once a year.
That absent parent is very much in the minority. | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 9:59:26 AM | | They can I believe deduct it from people's earnings, going bankrupt is about the only way to evade them. | |
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Posted: 10/25/2009 10:19:42 AM | the csa are a joke..........my grandson's father hasn't paid a bean since he was born...he's inherited a house, a porshe and delights in flashing his money around...last we heard they couldn't "find him".......my daughter gave them his family's addresses, his back account details, mobile phone number and his NI number! Imagine our anger when the little sh*t turned up on TV in Ibiza 2008....mind you...he's a pillock so his son is better off without him.
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