| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 10:21:43 AM | Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL), however, believes that an enemies list is exactly where Fox belongs.
"Fox News and their Republican collaborators are the enemy of America," Grayson told MSNBC's Ed Schultz on Wednesday. "They're the enemy of anybody who cares about health care in this country, the enemy of anybody who cares about educating their children, the enemy of anybody who wants energy independence or anything good for this country. And certainly the enemy of peace, there's no doubt about that. They are the enemy."
What do you think of his statement? | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:05:42 AM | I agree with his sentiments and wish more Democrats would speak up.
Since you are asking about what you perceive is an outrageous statement, what do you think of these?
<div class="quote">“I said yesterday on Fox and Friends that I think the president is a racist. I don’t know if he hates white people, but there is something going on with the president. Well, I stand by that, and I deem him a racist really based on his own standard of racism, the standard of the left. Now, I don’t know what, I am not sure how I am supposed to judge people, how I am supposed to be able to say I have these things that just don’t fit, so what do I do with them, so I have to use the community standard.” - Glen Beck
<div class="quote">“The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.” - Sarah Palin
<div class="quote">“If the question is, 'Who is more like the Nazis?' and the choices are Obama/Pelosi or the people showing up at these town hall meetings who want to protect their individual liberty, that's not even a close call. And no, I'm not going to apologize for it. They started this." - Rush Limbaugh
"It's a good thing Mao is dead, otherwise he would be an advisor to Obama and the Dems would be covering for him."- Pirateheaven
| |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:16:27 AM |
What do you think of his statement?
Sounds like republicans are getting a taste of their own medicine. I can't tell you for how long I have heard people say horrible things about people from the so called "left wing."
They claim they are unpatriotic, traitors etc.
Now that you know how it feels will you to continue the foolishness? I understand where people are coming from when they do it but, I do not agree with it.
It is a lot more complex than that. People by and large regardless of their political leanings love their country and want what they believe will lead to a better nation. I think we need to get away from this kind of thing on both sides of calling each other traitors, or enemies of the state etc.
All forms of political thought have their good points and their flaws. We can learn good things from them all if we are willing to discuss things with each other and act like adults instead of spoiled children.
Now as far as propaganda machines yes, they may have an agenda that goes against the intent and ideals of our nation but, they also have the right to free speech and I would support them to express that right most especially when I disagree with them.
As much as I cant stand faux news I would defend their right to air their junk because I believe in free speech. Same goes for the most extremist of right wingers, I detest what they have to say but, I would defend their right to do so every time!
 | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:20:50 AM | Msg 2-- topics on other threads, btw.
I think Grayson's comments are heavy handed and hyperbolic. Knowing Ed's show, he probably did not protest much at all. I would say that Fox News is an enemy to good journalism and its own "Fair and Balanced" label, but a friend to sensationalism and good-looking blonde conservatives. | |
|
| |
| |
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:35:08 AM | Its funny that the liberals had to quote 2 talk show hosts and only one politician who may have exaggerated to make her point but if you were to read HR3200 you will see that there will in fact be a "board" that will make health care treatment determinations...
The real enemies of this administration are information and Common Sense.
It is sad to see that propaganda against Fox is beginning to work... there are many news channels that openly support Obama, agree with and endorse everything that he does or says, one station tries to offer a more diverse opinion or perspective and they are vilified....
...certainly makes you wonder if Obama and his administration are being so honest and candid why would they have a problem with any media outlet researching what they are doing, who they are appointing, or what they are writing into the bills and amendments they are trying to pass?
If they are worried about being misrepresented they should write the bills with more concise language, language that shows their true intent...when you use ambiguous verbiage it opens up the interpretation to debate...simple to fix..No panels to determine Health care treatments, treatments to be determined by individuals Doctor...No illegal immigrants will be allowed to take part in the Health care insurance citizenship will be verified via E-verify etc... | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:37:54 AM |
Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL), however, believes that an enemies list is exactly where Fox belongs.
"Fox News and their Republican collaborators are the enemy of America," Grayson told MSNBC's Ed Schultz on Wednesday. "They're the enemy of anybody who cares about health care in this country, the enemy of anybody who cares about educating their children, the enemy of anybody who wants energy independence or anything good for this country. And certainly the enemy of peace, there's no doubt about that. They are the enemy."
What do you think of his statement?
1st I think that he is entitled to his opinion
2nd I think that many people may agree with him
3rd He might have added some thing about the 30 republicans that voted against the anti-rape amendment | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:49:19 AM | Since you asked....
<div class="quote"> “I said yesterday on Fox and Friends that I think the president is a racist. I don’t know if he hates white people, but there is something going on with the president. Well, I stand by that, and I deem him a racist really based on his own standard of racism, the standard of the left. Now, I don’t know what, I am not sure how I am supposed to judge people, how I am supposed to be able to say I have these things that just don’t fit, so what do I do with them, so I have to use the community standard.” - Glen Beck
Frankly, we have a tendency to respond more to white on black racism than black on white racism.
Obama called his white grandmother "a typical white person". If someone called him a "typical black person" there would be riots.
Dreams From My Father, Page 293
'"... It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-a-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere ... That's the world! On which hope sits."
Obama also attended Rev Wrights church for over 20 years and I have little doubt that the Rev. is a racist.
That being said, I don't know if Obama is a racist or not. He could have been just pandering to the electorate.
<div class="quote"> “The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.” - Sarah Palin
As a student of history, I have little doubt that projections on the costs of health care are probably in error by 900 or 1,000%. As time goes on more benefits will be added to buy votes. I have little doubt that the plan will pay for abortions even though they claim it will not happen.
Whenever laws are enacted we have to assume the worst. What will happen in the future is somewhat speculative. Do I think the new health care will lead to rationing? Yes i do.
Will they decide that the costs of taking care of downs syndrome babies are not justified? Probably not now, but it could happen years from now.
I think that part of her statement was out of line.
[quote ] “If the question is, 'Who is more like the Nazis?' and the choices are Obama/Pelosi or the people showing up at these town hall meetings who want to protect their individual liberty, that's not even a close call. And no, I'm not going to apologize for it. They started this." - Rush Limbaugh
Playing the Nazi card is always in poor taste.
For the record I am not a Republican. | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 11:59:21 AM |
Its funny that the liberals had to quote 2 talk show hosts and only one politician who may have exaggerated to make her point but if you were to read HR3200 you will see that there will in fact be a "board" that will make health care treatment determinations...
You need to work on how you word your arguments. Here:
It is completely ridiculous that one eyed jacks, who represents all liberals on this site and the world in general, had to quote 2 obscure talk show hosts and only one politician who may have exaggerated ever so slightly to make her otherwise extremely valid point, but if you actually were to read HR3200, you will see that she is absolutely correct that it will engender a philosophy towards the weak and helpless not seen since Nazi Germany.
Now, THAT is how you write a distorted argument. | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 12:27:49 PM | Grayson appears to me to be down-to-earth and calls it the way he sees it. After saying what he did about Fox Noise, he went on to say the following ...
http://rawstory.com/2009/10/grayson-fox-enemy-of-america/
Grayson thinks that the White House is doing exactly the right thing in going after Fox, because "what you do with a bully is you confront the bully and the bully backs down."
Story continues below...
"That's a good description of Fox News," Grayson explained. "People come on the air, they insult them as they did me. ... Why would anybody think that Fox News is some sort of valid news organization?"
Grayson did not go any easier on the Republican Party than on Fox. "The Republicans operate simply by vilifying their enemies and nothing else," he told Schultz. "All they do is try to distract people from issues of health care, issues of jobs, issues of energy independence. They've got nothing. ... The Party of No is well on its way to becoming the party of nobody." And he's right about the vilifying part ... that's what the Republicans do.
Vilify … malign ... denigrate … belittle … disparage
That's been my experience with men from the Republican party to the point where I won't even consider dating someone who aligns himself with Republicans. If that's any kind of representation (and those men weren't even that heavily involved in politics), then Grayson makes a good point.
I think Grayson's comments are heavy handed and hyperbolic. Actually, I find Grayson quite refreshing and he's also doing a wonderful job of exposing the kind of crap the Republicans are up to ... as in about how he talked about the stalling process and basically exposed the Republicans for doing it.
http://www.newser.com/story/72036/gop-plans-stall-tactics-for-health-bill-fight.html
In addition to a focused campaign of speeches on the evils of a bill another senator says “raises premiums, raises health care costs, raises taxes, and cuts Medicare for seniors,” Republicans hope to drag out the floor debate, reports Roll Call. They can also insist on full votes for every amendment, slowing it further. Sounds to me like a simple case of obstructionism ... on-going. And you know darn well if that's going on in the Senate, it's going on in the House as well.
And Grayson has indeed discussed that a number of times. I don't think he was lying. | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 12:41:05 PM |
"what you do with a bully is you confront the bully and the bully backs down." Dang! liberals never cease to amaze me, yes every once in a while a bully might back down but more often than not the Bully will just beat the piss out of you... | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 1:08:54 PM |
Dang! liberals never cease to amaze me, yes every once in a while a bully might back down but more often than not the Bully will just beat the piss out of you...
1st I am sorry you hace had such negative experiences with bullies but I think that Senator Grayson was referring to a more peaceful confrontations such as in a verbal confrontation | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 1:15:29 PM | I see ..my bad then, but the only Bullies I see are Obama, his administration and his fanatical supporters...seriously Obama is not the First President to be questioned about his policies agenda and decisions....he needs to get over his God Complex and come back to earth and start living up to some of his promises regarding this economy....
Kind of depressing when people criticize, question or exercise reason they are cast as Enemies of the State.... | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 1:40:30 PM | Kind of depressing when people criticize, question or exercise reason they are cast as Enemies of the State....
You mena like when some Americans oppossed the war in Iraq and were called traitors? Ann Coulter even wrote a book and called it Treason. The premise of the book was basically, oppose the war and you are a traitor.
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/25/coulter-murtha/
How about Tom Delay accusing Nancy Pelosi and Harry Read of treason.
In an interview with the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review editorial board yesterday, former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) accused Senate Majoirty Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) of “getting very, very close to treason” by opposing the war in Iraq. When a member of the editorial board noted that treason is a “pretty serious charge,” DeLay shot back, “And I’m serious about it.”
Here is an excerpt from the National Review Online with author and retired Air Force Lt. Colonel Robert “Buzz” Patterson, who accuses “Democrat politicians, big media, academia, popular culture, and nongovernmental organizations” of forming “a Fifth Column” that is “facilitating defeat against Islamo-fascism.”
" Kathryn Jean Lopez: Your upcoming book begins with a quote from Cicero about how a nation “cannot survive treason from within.” Surely you’re not calling Democrats traitors. Or are you?
“Buzz” Patterson: I am. They certainly are if their behavior during our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is held up to the light of the U.S. Constitution. Article III, Section 3 defines treason against the United States as “adhering to (our) enemies, giving them aid and comfort. Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi,****Durbin, and John Murtha, amongst others, are guilty of exactly that. [...]
It’s not just the Democrats though but many on the Left — its faculties and administrations on college campuses, big media, Hollywood, and left-wing organizations such as the Ford Foundation, Moveon.org, United for Peace and Justice, etc. What is particularly disturbing to me is that these Americans are doing it while their fellow citizens are fighting and dying in combat. The best ally that al Qaeda has these days is the Democrat Party leadership. It’s reprehensible. "
Yes it is depressing when reasonable people are cast as enemies of the state. | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 1:44:12 PM | .
seriously Obama is not the First President to be questioned about his policies agenda and decisions.
Obama is the only president to attack so many organizations as he, his WH staff and other elected Democrats have done.
In the pass yes some presidents have had some problems with certain media people, none have been known to go to the lengths that Obama, his WH staff and other elected Democrats have done.
Most presidents have made maybe a few comments and that has been it.
Obama, his WH staff and other elected Democrats have called any person, organization or group of people that has stood against them on any issue all sorts of names (usually slanderous names) and ostracized them repeatedly in public. | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 1:49:35 PM |
I see ..my bad then, but the only Bullies I see are Obama, his administration and his fanatical supporters...seriously Obama is not the First President to be questioned about his policies agenda and decisions....he needs to get over his God Complex and come back to earth and start living up to some of his promises regarding this economy....
How did we get from Senator Grayson To President Obama? Did President Obama say that republicans are bullies?
Kind of depressing when people criticize, question or exercise reason they are cast as Enemies of the State....
I agree that is why I don't watch people like Hannity or Rush they constantly critize the democrats and some times even republican party members that don't agree with them, Hannity and Rush remind me of school yard bullies | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 2:09:57 PM |
How did we get from Senator Grayson To President Obama? Just trying to take the thread off topic when people can't come up with an appropriate response.
Here ya go ... a perfect example:
Obama, his WH staff and other elected Democrats have called any person, organization or group of people that has stood against them on any issue all sorts of names (usually slanderous names) and ostracized them repeatedly in public. What does that have to do with Grayson?
Maybe she should start a thread about that and provide links as well. | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 2:41:06 PM |
How did we get from Senator Grayson To President Obama? Did President Obama say that republicans are bullies?
Because the whole Obama Administration, and Most of the Elected Democrats are calling out the Republicans and anyone that goes against their issues not just Rep. Alan Grayson.
Grayson is just one of many using this ploy to try and intimidate people into doing what Obama, the WH staff, the elected Democrats what. If you don't do or oppose anything that they want then you are on the outside.
I think some people have forgotten some constitutional rights of our country---Freedom of Speech.
These tactics are going to only result in big turnovers in the 2010 midterm elections. Maybe some elected officials should start trying to work with the people that put them in office instead of intimidating them. | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 2:44:09 PM |
I think some people have forgotten some constitutional rights of our country---Freedom of Speech. Yes ... imagine that. Freedom of speech is not just for the Repugnicans.
Democrats also have that right and isn't it wonderful that Grayson is doing such a good job on telling it the way it is? | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 2:49:41 PM | | Because Obama created the Climate....remember he got a prize and everything for it...when the President and leader of your party publicly denounces those opposed to him and his agenda he opens the door for his followers and party members to do the same...So Obama is Responsible for creating a climate in which anyone who opposes your views is vilified... | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 2:58:37 PM |
isn't it wonderful that Grayson is doing such a good job on telling it the way it is?
Grayson amply illustrates for me why all political parties should be abolished. George Washington had it right once again. | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 2:59:55 PM |
Because the whole Obama Administration, and Most of the Elected Democrats are calling out the Republicans and anyone that goes against their issues not just Rep. Alan Grayson.
when the President and leader of your party publicly denounces those opposed to him and his agenda
Cites, anyone? That actually support the above assertions to the letter, I mean. | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 9:13:19 PM | I find it interesting that the Joe Wilson thread is doing a booming business. Where is the outrage at Graysons rhetoric? He is smearing millions of Americans and there is hardly a peep.
Crickets Chirping............ | |
|
| Rep. Alan Grayson - Republicans are Enemies of America
Posted: 10/26/2009 9:40:09 PM | '"... It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-a-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere ... That's the world! On which hope sits."
As a 'student of history', I'd expect that you credit the author of those words, and not misattribute them to President Obama who borrowed them to use in one of his books.
Ever been on a cruise ship?
There are literally tons of food thrown away every day.
'White folks' greed'...read about Apartheid, read about the apathy concerning so many African countries, and ask yourself why it was so important to go into Iraq.
Of course, a student of history would already know the truth in Reverend Wright's words.
"Fox News and their Republican collaborators are the enemy of America," Grayson told MSNBC's Ed Schultz on Wednesday. "They're the enemy of anybody who cares about health care in this country, the enemy of anybody who cares about educating their children, the enemy of anybody who wants energy independence or anything good for this country. And certainly the enemy of peace, there's no doubt about that. They are the enemy."
According to Representative Grayson, Republicans are the enemy. It's his opinion, and he is free to discuss it.
Can't say that I find much amiss with it.
| |
|
Home
login 
