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Posted: 10/26/2009 9:45:13 PM | What are the fake clouds in the sky? why do the planes make clusters of chemtrails in one area until there is a blanket over populated areas and other days the sky is crystal clear?
Look up chemtrails on youtube. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 9:51:39 PM | | its mostly just vapor trails from planes. Or its cropdusters. Honestly, I don't think we are all being poisoned into submission. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 9:54:24 PM | Countdown to deletion...I tried a thread on this from the other side and it got deleted.
So let's try a little education, shall we?
What you are seeing is plane exhaust. Domestic carriers and international airliners do not have chemical sprayers. If you want to poison a population, simple common sense tells you there's much more efficient means of doing so.
Now...airplane exhaust is hot. The air at 35,000 to 45,000 feet is very cold. It stands to reason that you're going to see exhaust. Anyone who has ever lived in the northern part of the continent would understand something about that.
Okay, you say, but what about those trails that last a long time...simple. Weather. The plane is traveling through a particularly moist region of air. More moisture to glom onto the exhaust particulates that come out of the engine of the plane. You'll notice there's a lot of high level cloud overhead too. And, no too long afterwards, rain or snow.
Nothing to worry about. We're not talking big international conspiracy. Just simple weather. Unless...you think I'm one of "them!" | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 10:23:50 PM |
What you are seeing is plane exhaust.
Really? And since when does plane exhaust leave a sticky scum over whatever it lands on?
http://www.newswithviews.com/public_comm/public_commentary47.htm
http://www.chemtrails911.com/ | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 11:26:29 PM | Stargazer pretty much nailed it. Atmospherics-- various air temperature/density/moisture content. Hot meets cold. Sometimes makes trails; sometimes doesn't; sometimes makes trails that last; sometimes doesn't. The rest is bunk. People with too much time on their hands and all that sort of thing.
Unless... you think I am also one of "them." | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 3:48:06 AM | The #1 byproduct of burning hydrocarbons is water. After it cools down from it condenses because like the man said it's cold up there. Nearly instant man made cloud.
As for the rest of it, hold a piece of white paper above the flame of a candle, or check out the exhaust of a diesel truck. Jet engines are some how miraculously clean engines. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 4:36:31 AM |
Really? And since when does plane exhaust leave a sticky scum over whatever it lands on?
http://www.newswithviews.com/public_comm/public_commentary47.htm
Okay, I read this...it reads like he's on his way out to the cabin in the woods to escape the "gubmint!" I would advise any government employees calling the bomb squad if you get a package from this guy.
Seriously...why? For what possible purpose could there be for aerial spraying of anything from jet airliners? If the "gubmint" wanted for some inexplicable reason to kill people in vast quantities across North America, do you not think they could find better, more efficient ways?
But bring on the "woo-woo" if it so pleases. It's nothing, if not entertaining. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 6:29:31 AM | Okay, this is silly. The discussion is predictably loony. Thanks for the links, blues... they were really, really funny, and I needed a laugh this morning.
Glad I stopped in, though... the OP is really, really cute. :) | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 7:16:17 AM | there's not been very many times where i've had the opportunity to agree with stargazer, flyguy and rhino (all in the same thread no less)
anyway, stargazer nailed it, flyguy reconfirmed it, and rhino is right ..... the OP is cute! | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 8:07:27 AM |
For what possible purpose could there be for aerial spraying of anything from jet airliners?
We have to ask ourselves what copious amounts of barium oxide & 10 micron aluminum oxide might be for. While I understand that these are "naturally" produced by jet exhaust, the natural production of it doesn't account for anywhere near the mass dispensed.
Chemtrails (at least the ones over Manitoba) are not the product of commercial airliners. They are produced by generally unmarked military jets with a whisper quiet exhaust. I note that they are usually dispensed in the 20 to 25 thousand foot altitude The jets are devoid of commercial markings and seem to have only "tail numbers" on them that I can seldom make out (though I think they are American -- It looks like they start with an "N").
I first noticed them about 1995 or so. I looked up and saw the entire sky cris-crossed with about a dozen of them. For years I wondered what in hell was going on up there. Enquiries were always answered with "those are just normal contrails" but I'm not that stupid. I have studied them and they are most definitely not regular contrails and most definitely not regular flights. I've watched the spraying start and stop and I've watched the spray "switch off", while the jet does about a 120° turn and start up again as it flies back the other way. (maybe he forgot his coffee at the airport?)
I have no idea what their purpose is, but the secretiveness and evasiveness of the "authorities" suggests that something isn't "kosher." The American military has been caught more than once before using the population of Winnipeg for human experimentation via aerosol dispersal (back in 1953 - zinc cadmium sulfide and some biological agent & probably something else that caused the chrome on cars to bubble almost overnight). Based on their history of lies, I have no reason to trust either the Canadian or American governments. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 9:29:49 AM | Whenever I've seen vapor trails form, they come off the wingtips too. At least one other mechanism is the dramatic pressure disturbance caused by the wing aerodynamics. This is particularly predominant at the wingtips where high pressure air underneath the wing flows into the low pressure region above the wing, causing a mini-tornado off the wingtip - and sometimes other areas which disturb airflow and cause pressure changes.
In the right combination of temperature, pressure and humidity, the water vapor in the local fluctuating pressure region condenses and forms 'nuclei' for further condensation to take place and form the vapor trails that you see.
Unless, of course, I didn't see the spray nozzles! | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 10:43:26 AM | | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIUACk46TU8 | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 11:02:04 AM | Here's an old Discovery channel show on chemtrails:
http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/discovery.html | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 11:02:29 AM | Laughter!
Not only was that video full of Photoshopped images, ignorance, and paranoid ramblings without any of the alleged "100% PROOF THAT CHEMTRAILS CAUSE DEATH!" that is touted in the title, they can't even stay on-topic, wandering off into HAARP, mind-control (what?!?!), "man-made rain is no rain at all" (yeah, plains supercells produce a hell of a lot of lightning AND RAIN/HAIL/TORNADOES, but they only do it over a narrow corridor: argumentum ad ignorantum) and UFOs!!!!
Please tell me you can do better than that, or my little heart will be broken. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 11:11:41 AM | YES YESS YESSS.......
The OP is adorable......... She should have no problem getting a date!!
Paul K
PS Hey, this is a DATING SITE, remember?
By the way, I thought that what supercells produced was RAIN/HAIL/TOMATOS......... You mean it was TORNADOS?????
Bummer, dude. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 11:16:52 AM | I would add to Quietjohn that much of the upper atmosphere is supercooled water vapor meaning it is below the temperature needed to condense into droplets or ice crystals (clouds). The passing of the plane with aformentioned pressure changes and its exhaust particulates produce clouds much like cloud seeding does. Natural turbulance in the upper atmosphere produces areas of concentrated supercooled water vapor much like you see with scattered clouds. When the jets pass through dense areas, there are contrails and no contrails when the air is drier. As for sticky coatings, usually that comes from trees at certain times of the year and can be carried by the wind for short distances. It can be corrosive and damaging to the paint so I would suggest washing it off quickly. "Bubbling" chrome plating is due to poor process control on the chrome plating possibly combined with the corrosive tree sap. If you are familiar with soldering, there is a reference to "rosin core" solder. That is tree sap (rosin). When heated, it melts and eats away surface oxides allowing the liquid solder to bond. Its pretty much the same sticky stuff.
In the cold war, there were continuous flights of bombers ready to fly over the pole to bomb the Soviets with nukes. These flew at very high altitude in holding patterns and yes, they were classified. The greater concern was not what they dropped but what they could drop.
Go wash your car, the bombers are retired. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 11:27:43 AM | OMG. It's worse than anyone thought... the US government has been doing this since World War II... over Europe, even:
http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~josephkennedy/combat_photo_gallery2.htm | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 12:07:09 PM |
"Bubbling" chrome plating is due to poor process control on the chrome plating possibly combined with the corrosive tree sap.
Sorry...Here in Winnipeg, anybody that left their car outside at a particular time back in the fifties, suddenly found at about the same time that their flawless chrome plating (most of it years old) had almost overnight become a victim of "poor process control." In all of my years since, I have never seen chrome bubble up so fast or so much on so many vehicles as that one occasion.
I'm well aware of the effects of tree sap; I've had to contend with it all my life on all my vehicles. Tree sap had nothing to do with it.
I was just a kid when this happened and didn't think much of it at the time. When I got older and talked about it with some friends of mine (who also remembered the incident from their childhood), we wondered what might have caused this phenomenon, but still had no explanation for it. Only after we learned of the illegal aerosol program over Winnipeg did we finally hang an explanation on it. Needless to say, I'm not impressed about being an unknowing guinea pig for a foreign military's R & D program. I'm not too impressed with Canada either, for allowing a crime against humanity (non-consensual human experimentation) to be perpetrated on its own citizens. Frankly, I think we have sufficient evidence to win a major class action lawsuit against Canada (and possibly the US)...hmmm... | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 12:27:55 PM | Okay, let's try this.
Let's say for the sake of argument that some unidentified "them" decided it was a good idea to spray chemicals into the upper atmosphere for the sake of...whatever! Who knows.
Now...are you expecting those chemicals to come straight down through the atmosphere to the ground? Through 35,000 to 45,000 feet of air? With winds at just about every level of the air column? Really? Talk about "dispersion!"
Duks, I used to live in Winnipeg during the '80s. I've got more concerns with my exposure to the mosquito foggings (malathion) than with these paranoid rantings. Seriously! Automobile and industrial smog is a far bigger (and real) concern! | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 1:04:18 PM | Given the fact that the CIA has admitted and paid out millions of dollars in compensation for experiments done on civilians and armed forces personnel, is there any reason to trust that they have actually quit doing it? How can anyone trust them given their past history?
These experiments involved everything from Mind control, LSD, radiation, Agent Orange, and countless other chemical experiments done without the victims’ knowledge.
http://www.all-natural.com/part-3b.html
Chemtrails may or may not be just contrails, but one thing is for certain. The US government has no credibility whatsoever when it claims it is not carrying out secret experiments on the population, and anyone who believes them is either naive, or not aware of the past. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 1:13:58 PM | Duks, I used to live in Winnipeg during the '80s. I've got more concerns with my exposure to the mosquito foggings (malathion) than with these paranoid rantings. Seriously! Automobile and industrial smog is a far bigger (and real) concern!
I'm concerned with all that other crap too (they have been forced to modify the mosquito fogging program)...I don't see why we can't sue various corporations for the damage they've done to both the environment and to people. In fact, I'm working on just that very thing, but it's funny....I had totally forgotten about the illegal (under international law) aerosol experiments over Winnipeg. It's all a matter of record now, so a class action lawsuit should be a piece of cake. I was here in 1953 when they dumped some Zinc Cadmium sulfide on our heads, not even knowing the toxicity implications of the inhaled compounds at the time (to the best of my knowledge, the cadmium is STILL a health concern. So far as I'm aware, they still don't know (at least not officially) the actual toxicity of the aerosol. They also lied to our mayor years later about some sort of chemical fog they tested on us. I STILL don't know what that was, but believe it was a biowarfare test virus dispersal (They pulled a similar stunt in the New York subways many years ago - a lot of people got sick). A few people may have died as a result of some of the testing, and I'm sure many were harmed by it to some extent. At any rate I've always been anti-war and dead-set against weapons research, so even if it turned out to be relatively innocuous crap they stuffed down our throats, I'm mad as hell about it. The simple fact is that non-consensual human experimentation is a crime that was perpetrated on innocent people by a government that cares nothing for them. They should NOT be allowed to get away with it! | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 1:28:41 PM | http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=5739
But hey, if the government did ANYTHING, they did EVERYTHING.
What.ev.er.
Also, could you propose a better method for studying how bioweapon releases might disperse in an attack? A relatively harmless, easily-tracked powder, or perhaps they should have released an engineered bacterium that was fluorescent? Can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth that would accompany THAT? | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 1:53:07 PM | Where my parents live in northern Ontario, they've got more of a problem with naturally occurring arsenides. Down here in southern Ontario, I'm more worried about what's coming out the tailpipes of my neighbour's lawnmower and cars in general. I dread taking any trips into Toronto on the GO train, especially when I can look out the window and see that pall of brown gunk hanging over the city.
Then there was my uncle who died of lung cancer due to asbestos exposure.
This nonsense about "chemtrails?" Please! | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 1:53:11 PM |
could you propose a better method for studying how bioweapon releases might disperse in an attack?
Yeah...Save the money and a lot of grief by not testing at all! I don't buy the argument that we have to "defend ourselves" against enemy attack. That was just a pile of horse manure from day one, as the arms race clearly demonstrates. If you don't act like an enemy, you probably won't have one either.
If somebody wants to put you in a movie, they have to get your consent and pay you some sort of consideration. Why should a government you despise in the first place be able to experiment on you without either your knowledge or consent? Simple answer: they shouldn't, and by law, they can't...so why let them get away with it? What'd they EVER do for us, besides exploit us as "human resources"? | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 2:20:13 PM | With a little research, I now see that birds are spraying, too. Can you believe it? BIRDS!!
How deep does this rabbit hole go?
http://contrailscience.com/things-are-not-as-they-seem/ | |
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