| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/30/2009 4:57:54 PM | Interesting Story was emailed to me earlier today. Seems that we have had a ban for about 22 years on travelers with HIV entering our country. As of Monday it will be overturned per Obama.
Our country is one of the countries that seemed to have contained the HIV problem with our country's % of newer cases lower than many other countries, especially the 3rd world countries.
So what are your thoughts on the lifting of this ban.
Do you think it will be bad or ??? for our country, especially in our fight to curb the number of cases of HIV?
<div class="quote">Obama lifts ban on US entry for those with HIV
By DARLENE SUPERVILLE (AP) – 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama said Friday the U.S. will overturn a 22-year-old travel and immigration ban against people with HIV early next year. The order will be finalized on Monday, Obama said, completing a process begun during the Bush administration.
The U.S. has been among a dozen countries that bar entry to travelers with visas or anyone seeking a green card based on their HIV status.
"If we want to be the global leader in combatting HIV/AIDS, we need to act like it," Obama said at the White House before signing a bill to extend the Ryan White HIV/AIDS program. Begun in 1990, the program provides medical care, medication and support services to about half a million people, most of them low-income.
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/30/2009 5:01:04 PM | | I think that is just WONDERFUL coming right at the onset of ObamaCare. Now we can all quit complaining that "illegal alien" is just a code word for a Mexican National........ | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/30/2009 5:04:52 PM | | It is interesting timing....or maybe he struck a deal with Kenya or something, doesn't make sense to allow more AIDS carriers in to potentially infect Americans..... | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/30/2009 5:36:53 PM |
........completing a process begun during the Bush administration.
Looks like he's finishing up something started by the previous administration.
No, I always thought it was silly to ban HIV/AIDS infected people from coming to America, when HIV/AIDS infected Americans are free to travel all over the world.
That ban was implemented at a time when not much was known about how the disease was spread.
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/30/2009 6:05:53 PM | It says "bar entry to travelers based on their HIV status."
How would anyone know if travelers have HIV?
It's called a "travel and immigration ban" but travel and immigration are completely different issues. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/30/2009 6:13:11 PM |
... travelers with HIV entering our country. I anticipate that not many in this thread at this point have traveled abroad lately. In order to leave the country or re-enter it, there is no question pertaining to HIV.
HIV infected Americans can come and go in and out of the country without problems. I happen to know that the US has been allowing Somalians and SE Asians to enter the country on a refugee status even when they have TB which is very contagious. I take care of them all the time ... just have to put my mask on before I enter the homes.
The U.S. has been among a dozen countries that bar entry to travelers with visas or anyone seeking a green card based on their HIV status. My ex-husband is a green card alien and never had to testify as to whether or not he has HIV ... no blood test was given either although he did have to get a TB test which refugees don't have to get.
... doesn't make sense to allow more AIDS carriers in to potentially infect Americans..... Most HIV cases are contracted through using dirty needles ... needle-sharing ... relatively few cases are sexually transmitted even though it's still enough that we are constantly warning people not to have unprotected sex.
We have so many good drugs for it now that people are not dieing so quickly unless they can't get access to the drugs which does contribute to the statistic of those dieing because of lack of medical insurance.
I have no problem with allowing HIV infected people immigrate to the US. I doubt the previous ban really kept too much out of the US. People can get in and travel here with visitor visas and if they're going to spread their disease, it would most likely happen during a visit. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/30/2009 6:34:22 PM | | It's about time, that's so rediculous. One guy i listen to on the radio who has hiv often talks about his jaunts down to the u.s to catch a baseball game. So he obviously wasn't stopped. Like what do they do, take blood sample from everyone who enters? | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/30/2009 6:43:59 PM | Interesting Story was emailed to me earlier today. Seems that we have had a ban for about 22 years on travelers with HIV entering our country. As of Monday it will be overturned per Obama.
Our country is one of the countries that seemed to have contained the HIV problem with our country's % of newer cases lower than many other countries, especially the 3rd world countries.
IMO - Doing better than a 3rd world country as it relates to your containment of a virus is not really anything to be bragging about it.
So what are your thoughts on the lifting of this ban.
Removing a ban that 99.9998% of the population had no idea was in place should have zero effect, unless you are watching too much cable news.
Do you think it will be bad or ??? for our country, especially in our fight to curb the number of cases of HIV?
It is not going to make a bit of difference to the general population.
It will give the pundits something to talk about and express their outrage at until the next white girl goes missing. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/30/2009 9:56:23 PM | Interesting thread. The article quoted in the OP did provide more background on the issue; that part just wasn't chosen to be included in the original post. For those who haven't gone to the link:
In 1987, at a time of widespread fear and ignorance about HIV, the Department of Health and Human Services added the disease to the list of communicable diseases that disqualified a person from entering the U.S.
The department tried in 1991 to reverse its decision but was opposed by Congress, which went the other way two years later and made HIV infection the only medical condition explicitly listed under immigration law as grounds for inadmissibility to the U.S.
The law effectively has kept out thousands of students, tourists and refugees and has complicated the adoption of children with HIV. No major international AIDS conference has been held in the U.S. since 1993, because HIV-positive activists and researchers cannot enter the country.
Obama said that by lifting the ban, the U.S. will take a step toward ending the stigma against people with HIV/AIDS, something he said has stopped people from getting tested and has helped spread the disease. More than 1 million people live with HIV/AIDS in the U.S., and more than 56,000 new infections are reported every year.
Obama noted his own effort several years ago to help combat the stigma. During a 2006 visit to Kenya, his father's native country, then-Sen. Obama and his wife, Michelle, publicly took an HIV/AIDS test.
The 11 other countries that ban HIV-positive travelers and immigrants are: Armenia, Brunei, Iraq, Libya, Moldova, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea and Sudan, according to the advocacy group Immigration Equality.
Several such groups welcomed Obama's announcement.
Rachel B. Tiven, executive director of Immigration Equality, said the ban pointlessly has barred people from the U.S. and separated families with no benefit to public health.
"Now, those families can be reunited, and the United States can put its mouth where its money is: ending the stigma that perpetuates HIV transmission, supporting science and welcoming those who seek to build a life in this country," said Tiven, whose organization works for fairness in immigration for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and HIV-positive people.
It's not like this is a particularly bold move. The other countries banning HIV-positive travelers are not exactly on the cutting edge of human rights. It's about damned time for this change to be finalized.
Our country is one of the countries that seemed to have contained the HIV problem with our country's % of newer cases lower than many other countries, especially the 3rd world countries.
What success we have had in slowing the growth rate of this disease isn't about locking our doors. Keeping our number of new cases lower than other countries doesn't address the underlying problem, it just provides a nice, meaningless statistic. Comparing our % of new cases to "3rd world countries" (i.e. developing countries) is whacky. That's just a reality of the resources we have; nothing to boast about. We could be doing a terrible job and still come in ahead of most developing countries.
I don't believe our focus should be on keeping our numbers low at the expense of substantive progress in fighting the spread of HIV/AIDS.
The biggest objections will obviously be rooted in fear. Education goes a long way to remedy that. Although there will be anger and hate, I believe good will ultimately come from this. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/31/2009 6:59:46 AM | doesn't make sense to allow more AIDS carriers in to potentially infect Americans.....
Do you know there is a difference between AIDS and HIV infected? and do you know how the Virus is transmitted?
no wonder you're scared...with all those new AIDS people using public toilets. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/31/2009 7:57:52 AM | | SAguy - Are you an AIDS denier? Do you believe HIV doesn't change into AIDS status? They are 'basically' the same thing. The only difference is the status they are currently in. HIV is where the virus hasn't yet torn down the immune system. AIDS is when the immune system is obliterated. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/31/2009 9:07:29 AM | No I am not a Aids denier...I guess Im not up on the Reading...I thought HIV1 and AIDS were two separate things...
I used to believe you couldn't Have AIDS before being infected with HIV1 virus...
But I didnt know that Having HIV meant you would get AIDS. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/31/2009 9:12:47 AM |
Interesting thread. The article quoted in the OP did provide more background on the issue; that part just wasn't chosen to be included in the original post. For those who haven't gone to the link:
The link was included so that those who wanted to read more could, not to exclude information.
Many in the forums tend to zone out when the posts are too long and detailed.
Sorry to say that most probably zoned out when the rest of the article was posted. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/31/2009 9:33:25 AM | All AIDS stands for is Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. So technically, any disease that completely removes your immune system COULD be considered Aids. So Aids is less of a disease persay and more so of a state. HIV is just the big one and the main cause of people having no immune system.
HIV doesn't ALWAYS develop into AIDS, but it's rare.. So rare in fact that it's near non-existent. There have been a few cases where people have HIV they become a carrier, where HIV doesn't effect them all that much.. But this is VERY rare. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/31/2009 11:53:20 AM | Not only do I NOT APPROVE of Obama lifting the BAN,....I think there should be more BANS put into place, to ensure the Safety of America, and its Citizens.
In the ever increasing attempt to lift the ban on the Border issiue and illegals,..now the Ban on admitting people with a deadly illness such as AIDS, just increases the threat to America, even more.
This Ban, was put in place for a reason,...and if common sense prevailed, it would still be in place,....and Enforced.
When a link is given, including a snipit, it is up to us to go read the entire article, so dont blame the OP for not including the entire article, that sometimes takes up too much space, and ventures off into other areas besides the OP intended subject. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/31/2009 2:08:44 PM |
This is so typical of Obama's narcissistic personality. He jumps up & pats himself on the back for a subject that is absolutely moot. What ban? The biggest majority had no idea there even was a ban & if there was it has not been enforced. How ludicrous & typical of him. Geez he must be going through the archives looking for any easy way to get headlines & make him look like he has actually accomplished something. Narcissistic!
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The fake prophet gets up in the morning just to look at his own dumb ass in the mirror. He want's everyone to kiss his ass because he cant do it himself. Narcissistic personality Is putting it mildly. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/31/2009 6:04:50 PM |
biker: then american should be prevented from traveling. just put up a big bubble and keep all you guys locked in forever.
Nope,..Just anyone that has a disease that is in danger of infecting others.
That's one reason why a RFID doesn't scare me as bad as when I first heard about the possible use,..if a person does pose a threat, it would be on the RFID, and they should be put on a "NO FLY" List,...and banned from traveling from one country to another. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/31/2009 6:23:29 PM |
Nope,..Just anyone that has a disease that is in danger of infecting others.
Get serious.
The common cold here in the United States could infect and kill entire populations of people in other countries who haven't been exposed.
Do you know how a person can become infected with HIV?
Blood transfusions--although blood is better screened these days--unprotected sex--up to you to protect yourself.
You aren't going to become infected with HIV if you find yourself standing in line next to someone who has it.
Can't get it from flying next to a person with HIV.
Know how to cure xenophobia?
Educate yourself. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/31/2009 7:58:35 PM | | We wouldn't (knowingly) let other infectous diseases that are terminal into our country, why should we let HIV carriers in? While we cannot define a person by their disease, we cannot be selective about it either. I would prefer Obama had not done this. I think this is a bit of a paper tiger though, as HIV status is not determined to enter a country or leave it from what I know, as someone else pointed out. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/31/2009 8:33:51 PM | | Its fantastic,we have come along ways since the beginning,remember then ,when an ambulance driver might have refused to take the poor person to the hospital.Its not a threat sitting next to an HIV person, so good for them. | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 10/31/2009 9:38:40 PM | Actually HIV/AIDS screening became mandatory when the Immigration law banning those with HIV/AIDS from entering the country went into effect.
The screening is performed during the medical exam, which is a requirement for those (15 and older) seeking an immigrant visa.
I'm not aware of any medical screening requirement for a non-immigrant visa, however, I believe there is a question on the application requesting disclosure of HIV/AIDS status.
Brandie | |
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| Obama Lifts Ban On US Entry For Those With HIV
Posted: 11/1/2009 6:55:08 AM | What happen to Personal Responsiblity?
How does letting HIV+ people to visit or immigrate to this country increase your risk of HIV/AIDS?
So long as you are in a committed monogamous relationship, you should have no fear of HIV+ persons or contracting AIDS.
And if you have a predilection for an alternative lifestyle, then you should be well versed on how to abstain or protect yourself.
So why all the Fear...It doesnt matter to me if there is a HIV+ person living on my block...and if I dont fear One, then how is more than one, a greater harm to me...
Worry about yourself, your actions...Isnt that the tenets of Consevatism and Libertarianism? | |
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